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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:39 am 
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Punitive Articles of the UCMJ
Article 138-34 Pandering and Prostitution

The following subsection (2) was added by President George Bush, via Executive Order # 12473, on October 14, 2005:

(2) Patronizing a Prostitute.
(a) That the accused had sexual intercourse with another person not the accused's spouse;
(b) That the accused compelled, induced, enticed, or procured such person to engage in an act of sexual intercourse in exchange for money or other compensation (Note: if the act was "compelled" on or after October 1, 2007 the offense will be charged under the new Article 120). and
(c) That this act was wrongful; and
(d) That, under the circumstances, the conduct of the accused was to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces or was of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces."

Maximum punishment =
(1) Prostitution and Patronizing a Prostitute. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 1 year.
(2) Pandering. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 5 years.
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Of course, patronizing a prostitute is illegal for civilians in the US too (with the sole exception of a few isolated counties in Nevada) and that hasn't really stopped a lot of people. You get a sailor who has been at sea for several weeks or months, away from his wife or girlfriend (assuming he even has one) and put him into port in a country like CR and what are you gonna expect to him to do. Short of shadowing the sailors whereever they go, I'm sure many will still try to get away with it and probably succeed. Just don't expect him to show up in a high profile place like the Del Rey in full military uniform.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:49 am 
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It goes back way further than Brother HikerTom intimates--The US Navy (God bless'm) had the whole of the Storyville section Of New Orleans shut down and under virtual martial law in WW I--Storyville is where jazz is thought to originate. All that jizz and nowhere legal to discharge it--what a shame.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:11 am 
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Gringotim wrote:
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Texas&Vegas wrote:
Is there 7,000 Marines available?


Agreed. The Army barely has 12 divisions in the entire inventory and 7,000 men is half a division.


I concur...it will never happen. The whole story is ridiculous. Unless, maybe...the U.S. is slowly moving towards Venezuela! Of course, if that
were the case, they would be on the wrong coast. Hugo Chavez...now there's a 'piece of work'. Couldn't believe it, watching Larry King one night
last week, when Oliver Stone and Jessie Ventura were guests. They were extolling the good things Chavez has done for the country, and how much the
people love him, etc. I almost fell off my sofa when they said he has allowed freedom of the press! Of course, Oliver Stone recently completed a movie about Chavez,
filmed in Venezuela. Incredible.



Them liberal pieces of trash in hollywood are a major problem with our country. Always putting out bs propaganda and trying to turn us into a socialist style country. F in discrace.. There almost as bad as our own media.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:48 am 
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Them liberal pieces of trash in hollywood are a major problem with our country.


What is a major problem in the U.S. is intolerance. The inability to recognize there are differing view points on matters and because one disagrees with your position they are not necessarily taking a position that has no merit.

Logical discussion has give way to the use of buzz words such as liberal or conservative being used contemptuously rather then to describe a persons basic belief in the role of government.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:55 pm 
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I am not sure that I would agree that the story is ridiculous. Marines are aflot quite a lot and training missions that take place world wide. Strength wise, The Marines have left Iraq where they did occupy the western portion of that nation and they are not totally tapped out with their current commitment to AFG.

The article makes it sound like they will be deploying a Marine Amphibious Brigade, but it could be its smaller brother, the MEU for Marine Expeditionary Unit. The Marines have built these smaller units around special missions such as Special Operations Capable or Humanitarian Assistance and I believe they also have a Counter Drug Specialization. Just my 2 cents :D

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:05 pm 
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Has anyone seen any news reports on this story in the U.S. media? If you have, please post links. I did a google search and didn't find anything. I would think it would deserve at least some mention. :? :?

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Irish Drifter wrote:
Marlinassault wrote:
Them liberal pieces of trash in hollywood are a major problem with our country.

What is a major problem in the U.S. is intolerance. The inability to recognize there are differing view points on matters and because one disagrees with your position they are not necessarily taking a position that has no merit.

Logical discussion has give way to the use of buzz words such as liberal or conservative being used contemptuously rather then to describe a persons basic belief in the role of government.
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I had a buddy that had been in the airborne during the dominican invasion back during the jonson administration....'ol lyndon sent in the airborne quickly with the navy/marines to follow on ships....

anyway, I asked my buddy how much the little darlings cost him and he said, " It was free until the navy dudes showed up and offered to pay for it!"


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I also agree with Tim Bones. Some of you guys are talking like all these 7000 marines will be swooping down on CR at one time but if you read the article carefully you'd see that it never really said that. What it actually said was that 7000 Marines may transit through CR over the course of the 6 month run of the program rather than at any one time. At any one time it could be relatively few. For example, in the very next paragraph it said that most of the ships are frigates with a capacity only two helicopters and 200 marines and 15 officers each. The largest ship that would be involved includes the USS Makin Island, which has a capacity to carry 102 officers, 1449 sailors and more than 50 aircraft, but nowhere did it even suggest that anywhere close to all 1551 personnel would be off the ship at any one time (leaving the ship totally unmanned). Besides, according to that ship's website, they have also made liberty calls in such other Latin American countries as Peru, Chile and Brazil during the past year, so this is probably not all that special an assignment for those guys (and hence the lack of much fanfare in the US press).
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I did find some links to articles about this deployment on english-language websites but they seem to be mostly translated reprints of the Nacion article: http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Newsfeed/Article/115564587/201007051156/Deployment-of-US-warships-and-marines-approved-in-Costa-Rican-parliament.aspx

This article from the LatAm Daily (not sure of its country of origin) provides a little extra info as well as some interesting commentary (though perhaps from a somewhat leftwing angle): http://www.latamdaily.com/2010/07/03/us-warships-headed-to-costa-rica/. In fact, I liked the commentary so much that I just have to actually post it for you all to read:
LatAm Daily wrote:
La Nación quotes a document from the US Embassy that states that, “The US personnel in Costa Rica will be able to enjoy freedom of movement and the right to carry out the activities that they consider necessary to complete their mission.”

Well isn’t that just permissively vague.

The legislation says the mission has to do with fighting drug traffickers, as well as a few humanitarian goals, though the humanitarian use of a Harrier jet is still somewhat unclear.

On a casual note, I would point out again that for all the Costa Rican smugness about not having an army, they do a pretty good job of borrowing one when they need it. On a more serious note, because this is bound to be extremely politically unpopular domestically, the government must have a damn good reason for inviting all this firepower in from up north.

My guess is that the government is secretly terrified it is losing control of the security situation. They probably should be.

A proportionally very large amount of cocaine is busted in Costa Rica every year, and the country has become something of a bodega for Mexican and Colombian drug smugglers, what with its good infrastructure, weak judicial system, ill-equipped police force, long coastlines, remote beaches, terrible immigration enforcement, and ample opportunities for laundering money through real estate transactions and layers of shell corporations.

I’m not sure how well-armed helicopters will change any of those factors, unless you could make the National Registry more transparent by slipping a few Hellfire missiles through the front door . Probably wouldn’t hurt.

Anyway, keep ironing around that wrinkle fellas. You’ll win the war on drugs any day now.

I also found this somewhat more recent update:
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Costa Rican opposition today (Saturday) rejected the resolution passed Friday by the Costa Rican Legislative Assembly (Congress) that allows 46 U.S. warships (along with 7,000 Marines) to come in and out Costa Rican ports, waters and the country as a whole from July 1 through Dec. 31.

The opposition said it would file a "recurso de amparo" against the measure. "Recurso de amparo" has no direct translation to English but it means an appeal on the grounds of inconstitutionality or illegality.

IMHO, the fact that the opposition parties are making political hay over this should be no surprise. Just as in the US, opposition parties don't exactly get back into power by saying how wonderful the current administration really is. OTOH, I think it is at least as interesting reading some of the comments by the average tico that appear after the Nacion article and there it seems to be pretty well split. Many are so upset by the rising problem of illegal drugs in CR and the concommitant crime that goes with it, that they're willing to accept just about anything to combat it. Meantime, there are also many others who see this as a disproportionate use of force and a foreign infringement of sovereignty on a nation that prides itself for being "peaceful" and having disbanded its own military decades ago.


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Good on-point and short post by Prolijo--but for using concomitant and then redundantly defining it (just teasing). I'll bet if you asked a bunch of the Chicas especially in Jaco about this, they'd have the full 411 on landing sites, number of Marines and squids on liberty call at any given time, etc. Unwise to underestimate Chica-networking power.

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Good on-point and short post by Prolijo--but for using concomitant and then redundantly defining it (just teasing). ...
Short? :? Well I guess maybe it was for me.:oops: As for reddundantly using concomitant and then definning it on topp of that again annother time? :P Well, how else do you think I manage to make my posts so long? 8)


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:59 pm 
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Well this former marine will be tearing up the gulch :-) Semper Fi...


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:40 pm 
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It is being reported in Jaco that no civilian has been laid since the invasion! :D


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:23 pm 
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check this out http://www.infowars.com/us-warships-cau ... osta-rica/


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:13 pm 
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Interesting straight-forward article. The comments at the end travel to the far borders of "ScrewLooseVille"; taken altogether, quite amusing--no conspiracy theory left unvoiced.

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