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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:55 pm 
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I am also interested in learning helpful hints of others out there and figured even the most experienced traveler could always learn something new regarding this subject. I also figure that the better the gringos who visit CR get at negotiating, the more it will help to keep prices down for all of us....

None of my startegies are earth shattering but here is a basic overview of my gameplan while in Costa Rica and pretty much always have a great time with reasonable terms.


1.) This is probably my biggest piece of advice to a first time traveler going to CR and is planning at hanging out at Key Largo, Del Rey or other bars to meet chicas. Make your first session at a MP such as New Fantasy, Zona Blue, Idem, or Oasis! I always try to arrive in CR in the early afternoon so that I can get settled in and then can get to one of the MPs (usually NF) to have a hot experience right away. This gets rid of any potential Blue Balls which have built up which obviously can't be a good thing if one has too negotiate. Not to mention I just like to get right at it.

2.) When you meet a chica and really hit it off, look for volume discounts!! Look to meet the MP girls afterwork for dinner or a trip to El Pueblo or if you have have all nighters with Bar girls and get along with them continue the affair on into the next day or two. When I do take girls out of the Del Rey or Key Largo, 99% of the time it is for the rest of the night and have had a fair number of times that the deed repeats itself through the next morning and even into the afternoon with no extra expenses...other times I give a little extra. This happens quite often but only after I have built somewhat of a bond with the chica and am having a good time with her. This strategy can really cut down on expenses and will even get you freebies once in a while.

3.) My rule of thumb at the bars or anywhere is never pay more than $50 or $60 for all nighters no matter what time it is. I really don't have a problem never going above this. (see above about using the MP's when necessary as mentioned).... There are girls that I find interesting at the Del rey or Key Largo that move on because I won't go above this but I don't really care because I feel that a number of them are hardcore and to businesslike anyway and I don't go into the bars with blueballs where I just have to get laid. I feel this technique helps to filter out crappy experiences and these girls are not what I am really looking for and they can go be someone elses problem.

My mindset is to enjoy the more GFE type of experience rather than rapid fire/quantity type sessions and having the all nighter agreed upon keeps it much more open ended for that too happen. I have had a few experiences where I wanted the girl to leave early and found ways to get her to do so if need be...but if she does leave somewhat soon it's because it was my choice and not so much hers.

4.) This is probably a good time to state this LAW.

NEVER PAY THE CHICA UPFRONT!!! (unless its MP setting where that is pretty much the general rule) NEVER PAY THE CHICA UPFRONT and NEVER PAY THE CHICA UPFRONT !!! ...you are simply giving up the power you have and are asking for a hasty/worthless experience. If a chica insists, it might be time to show her the door rather than waste your dinero.

5.) When at the Blue Marlin/Key Largo and the chica starts off with the "cien dolares" ...the first response should be you to roll your eyes, smile and even giggle a bit that surely she must be kidding. My response is that I am pretty happy where I am at and if I am interested I counter with "cuarenta (40)" and sometimes even "treinta (30)". This will keep alot of girls moving but a fair number of them stick around as well. It's also a good technique if the chica is bugging the shit out of you and you want to get rid of her tell her you'll give here 20 dollars for 2 or 3 hours.... I am not a big fan of the Domicanas and use this one on them alot.

What generally happens is after I say 30 or 40 and the girl is somewhat interested in me this still isn't enough to scare her away due to a hopeless situation. If she sticks around she starts investing her time and the bonding starts. Too me its all part of the experience I like anyway. Alot of these girls (not the hardcore ones) can absolutely be a blast to hang out and party with. After a while you have a bond, she has time invested, you have lost nothing (don't let here run the drinks up on you) and then it's easier to settle on the 50 or 60...Again I always have the "All night" clause built in and again NEVER PAY UP FRONT!

Obviously I find that the earlier in the evening it is the more difficult it is to get this agreement, but thats why MP's are to be used during the day and bars used at night. Fishing the grey area in between is all part of the fun.

Two other notes on Bar negotiations...if you are stuck at a higher price and really want to experience this girl, remind her that girls at MP's in Costa Rica can be had for as little as 15 - 40 dollars so you don't need to pay lots of money to get a nice experience. Try to be pretty cool when saying this and I only really make this point if me and the chica have a mutual interest in each other and want to see this deal get done. I definetly don't expect the chicas to crumble to their knees under the pressure. Why should they? they know they can bring many a gringo to their knees as well and can always move on.

Second note, and this was from a very experienced gringo that I talked with one afternoon at the Del Rey... He stated that "under most circumstances he wanted to be the one that PICKS and not the one that is PICKED". I keep this in the back of mind and interpret it as always keeping the position of power when negotiating instead of being under the thumb of the chica.

It's not that I am out to crush a chica during negotiations..what good would that be? At the same time, I am not out to be taken advantage during a session by a chica...what fun is that? I am simply out for the win-win situation where we both enjoy it ...and at the same time is under terms and conditions which are not unfavorable too me.

Hope that I didn't ramble on too much in my post and I am very interested in other strageies that are used by guys during their travels.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:16 pm 
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Great Great Great GRRRRRREEAAAAAT Post. I hope to see more responses.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:30 am 
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Great thread! Great posts! I agree with most of what's been said.
1) I too like to get in a quick fixed price session at an MP when I first get down to help avoid the tendency to think with my little head later on when I next end up running the gauntlet at the BM.
2) Though I like a little variety as much as the next guy and like to add something new to my menu each visit, I would say at least 1/3 of my sessions are repeats with past favoritas, 1/3 are sessions with potentially new favoritas with whom I hope will be worthy of repeat performances and only 1/3 are solely for variety. Becoming a regular with any girl is more likely to lead to more relaxed pricing on her part, even the occasional freebie. And there is also the non-financial aspect that the increased rapporte that has been developed leads to more relaxed and enjoyable sessions.
2a) On a related topic it also might help in your initial negotiations to give the new girls the idea that there is the posibility of repeat business. Let her know that you're going to be in town for a while (perhaps even if you aren't). And definitely let her know you're a regular visitor to CR. This lets her know a few things. First that if she does well there could be repeat business well into the future. But it also tells her that you might be "plugged into" the network of CR Mongers 8) and that a thumbs up or down could at least to some degree positively or negatively impact her business :wink: and that you didn't just fall off the turnip truck and probably won't be as susceptible to the scams chicas commonly use on newbies. :).
3) Your rule of thumb of $50-60 for all night may be a little on the strict side. The more common rule around here is "No CIEN para solamente una hora". Fifty to sixty for an hour may not be such an unreasonable standard, but that would usually eliminate chicas such as Roccio. So sometimes rules are meant to be broken or at least bent. While it is a worthy goal, to expect to always pay only $50-60 for TLN would be very difficult for most guys. My own rule is to shoot for $40-60 for one hour and no more than $100 for all night. If a CIEN girl is really hot and my little head is doing the thinking, I'll negotiate for something less than $100/hr, usually $60 but never more than $80, and I'll never go for a TLN with her type as it simply ain't worth it for either of us.
3a) On another related topic, along with "No Cien for an hour" and "Never pay upfront, "Always be ready and willing to walk" should be one of our mantras. Often that is what it takes for her to suddenly start negotiating in all seriousness when she sees her deal slipping away. Unitl the moment you walk, she is likely to think she has the upper hand.
4) I NEVER pay upfront, though I must admit there have been times when faced with this demand after getting back to my room that I have acquiesced by showing them I have the money or placing it on the night stand. Almost always this has been a mistake, even if they haven't actually gotten the money, the simple fact that they are so insistent about it on their end should have been my clue that their attitudes were just not right. All this goes to show is that even a "CR Vet" like myself can make mistakes.
5) I also agree that when they throw out a ridiculous offer like "CIEN para una hora", one should immediately let them know that you know how ridiculous that amount is and counter with a lowball offer of your own. The trick is to make the offer high enough not to make them roll THEIR eyes, but low enough to give you negotiating room to come up to a reasonable amount. Never offer first what you expect to end up paying. Enable them to think that they were able to squeeze something extra out of you. That way everybody wins.

6) As to the merits and drawbacks to MP's, I agree somewhat with both posters. There is a time and place for different alternatives. MP's are great for during the day when pickings are slimmer at some of the bars or when you don't feel like having to negotiate. They're also good for those occasions when you need an on premises alternative. OTOH, the girls may be more heavily "trafficked" at such places and the atmosphere sometimes leaves something to be desired. But for the most part Buzz's objections are reasons to limit his use of MP's but not necessarily rule them out entirely. Personally, I like to vary my diet - some MP's during the day, prospecting for new girls at the BM in the evening or just enjoying the show, checking out tico joints for better deals or using my somewhat limited network of contacts from prior trips.

7) Finally, while I appreciate the issue of power and control in picking vs. being picked, I would like to add a caveat. DR girls that approach are more likely than not hard core pros that have learned to be aggressive. But it is nice to find someone who seems to be really into you. I like to look for the girls who give me some eye contact first, though who don't necessarily approach me. I like to think that means they are interested but perhaps a little shyer than many of the other girls because they are newer at the game. Then again, maybe they think THEY have more control if they make US pursue THEM. Who said game playing was limited to gringas?


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Who said game playing was limited to gringas?

Latinas are master puppeteers. I think they've got game on a different level than we can comprehend. Just my dos colones.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:19 am 
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Ticalover,

Very good post. I share your desire to keep prices down, however, according to the recent Poll on this board close to 60% of board members are willing to pay cien for only 1-2 hrs. This is why the C.R. mongering scene is so rapidly declining. It's very sad but definately a fact. The Airbusses keep bringing down loads of silly gringos who can't wait to over pay the local market rates. I've heard some on this board admit to paying $200 for the night. I can't imagine what the prices will be 5-10 yrs. from now!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:34 am 
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I actually look at the negotiating banter as half the fun. Of course, speaking Spanish makes this part fun. It allows you to get to know the type of girl you are dealing with, and an opportunity to make jokes about it and bring a little levity to the situation.

I usually start at $50 for the girls that are 8-10's, knowing that they will not hit my bid. Ideally, I would like to pay 30,000-35,000 ($66-$76). I am not really interested in a TLN, but rather a good relaxed hour and a half or two hours. I have taken girls out of there for $40 before, but they were in the 6-7 range. Frankly, I am only interested in the 9-10's these days. But you have to be able to walk away. No shame in circuling back in a hour or two to the same girl...saying "well, I see your haven't left yet, so how bout making $60 bucks and we can go relax together?"

Some of the really hot ones are just not gonna come off the $100, they know it, and I know it. I am guilty of paying $100 to two girls from Del Rey, but both times they stayed for 2hours+ and I got 2 nuts. But they were both hot and serious GFE...DFK, DATY, any position I wanted, BBBJ, etc. One of them actually came back to my room later that night for free, just to get some more action (that's were the time DATY pays dividends).

One of these girls I had worked for several trips prior to me going with her. I tried that $50 stuff and frankly she got offended (see also fiery Colombiana temper). I know for a fact that she went home by herself that night, without turning a trick, when she could have done one for less than $100. To her, it's a status thing. She thinks she's worth it, and won't settle for less. But to her credit, I can honestly say she was definately worth the $100.

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This is a GREAt thread, and were you a member, Ticalover, I'm more than sure this would be nominated to run for post of the month.

For those reading this in preparations for their first trip to CR, take this information to heart... read and read again, take a picture and frame it, print it out and memorize it. I did a few mistakes on my first trip, paywise, and on my second trip got just as good and better sessions for SIGNIFICANTLY less. Negotiating and getting the best deal does not necessarily mean you will get a lower quality session, it just means you are getting the best deal possible. YOU are the customer, YOU are the one with the money, YOU are the ones that are selecting the chica of choice.

It's easy to fall under the chica jedi mind trick and fold to their charm, and I think we all have at one time or another, BUT, we must look beyond the trees and see the the forest itself on this issue. This thread is also a tool to conserve the way things are now in CR regarding current prices. For every sugar-daddy sending money from the US and for every person overpaying for a hour or TLN, it contributes to the potential overpricing of service for a future SJ mongering spot. I'd hate to see such a great place with such wild and beautiful talent double in costs over the next 5 years, and don't doubt for a second that the "chica-networking" is even better than anything this forum can perform for us... they know who has a sucker sending them money, and who got away with charging $200 for just half hour of nude picture taking with NO SEX (true story from DR).

We all do whatever the hell we want with our own money, and I will be damned if anyone tells me how to spend it... but I just ASK everyone to consider the repercussions of their spending habits and how it DOES affect EVERYONE that plays in San Jose, albeit indirectly and in long-term effects.

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Who said game playing was limited to gringas?

Latinas are master puppeteers. I think they've got game on a different level than we can comprehend. Just my dos colones.

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Great point .......think how may times a day/ week /month these girls negotiate.... I negotiate for a living so to me it's not a problem , but easily could be for the average guy.
I'll throw my 2c into the mix

1) It's always better to build some kind of rapport with the girl ...even for a couple of minutes, chat her up first before going into the money talk.

2) You got to be willing to walk away. How many times have you come back from a session and then seen someone else you want to pursue.


I have had pretty good luck, rarely paying more then 35K even for overnight. When a girl will not come down below 90-100 , I usually put it back on them , and tell them to "think about it for a while,I'll be around if you change your mind " A few times the girl came back and was willing to negotiate further. So i try to never close the door.

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Yep, appearance does matter.

Most girls are gonna do just about anyone, assuming they can get their price....but I know some girls who won't do guys they find unattractive, period.

I'm not so sure being "good looking" necessarily gets you a better price, although it can. I do however feel it yields better GFE's, more time, better relationship, and some freebies.

That was my point in a thread last week. I like to take a little pride on dressing nice, without being "show offy" or vain. Latin women love a guy who dresses w/ class...

These girls get tired of the same ole shit: talk to drunk gringo, go upstairs and Phuck drunk gringo, etc.....if they can find a guy who they generally like being around, they will often sacrifice some time and, for instance, go out to dinner and dancing with a guy...to have a good time, sort of a break from the norm. You will still have to pay, but you most certainly get a good deal.

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Go checkout Cartago. Some tico told me a few years ago about a place for $8 per gal

Bar Royal in Cartago. 5K for full service. It's a dive bar. Totally Tico. On site room. Had I not been in there with my chica I may have been a bit intimidated though. But, as I mentioned in a past post, all but about 2 of those girls would have had to pay me for sex. Brutal!

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The simple life.
A lazy man's day at the Del Rey. You see some sweet young thing. Go over and tap on her shoulder. When she turns around point at the elevator if she smiles its a-go. Her elevator performance determines what she gets paid. If they don't put out in the elevator there not going to put out in the room. It's no more complicated than this. I love that place.
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CR marcos,I think you have a valid point about many of our own paying more than the have to.I guess that is one of the reasons I spend little time in the Del Rey searching for prospects.I find the girls to be in general much less hardened in local venues.

Dapanz had a valid point of never paying over 35000 for all night .That may be a little high for the sleaze monger but should be a good top target hoping for a little less especially if it is getting late.As far as the $8 ,10 to $20 places,there are diamonds in the rough to be found.I know I have found some in my experiences.I have seen a couple posted recently at 747 .I have seen one and have the outher one on my list for next trip.I have had good luck negotiating in the day for and hour or two for a very good price


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