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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:34 pm 
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50 interviewed, 0 arested. At that rate, they should clean up the streets in no time.


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Orange makes a valid point


and just what crime do you guys think they should have been charged with and arrested for? This is Costa Rica not the puritanical United States. Gracias a Dios :D

Then what's the point of the harrassment? To waste the already limited man-power (I use the term loosely). Instead of patrolling downtown for real criminals, they are "intreviewing" men dressed as women. They're probably setting up dates. Welcome to Costa Rica.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:54 pm 
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Then what's the point of the harrassment?


The same as always when police use harassment against a particular individual or group. Make it so unpleasant that they change location or change behavior depending on which trait you were targeting them for.

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It sure worked for Hitler.
Give me a break!

Also, the AM Costa Rica article says:
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Fuerza Pública officers, purportedly to protect tourists, swept the area north of Parque Morazán Saturday night...
When Fuerza Publica does nothing to protect tourists in the gulch, they're corrupt and lazy; when they do something, they're fascists. :?: :?: :?:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:39 pm 
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The Tranny's were all back Sunday night.


Thanks for that update :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Hard not to know when they are 100 feet from my apartment gate and loud as shit some nights.

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Hard not to know when they are 100 feet from my apartment gate and loud as shit some nights.

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Not at all comparing the Rodent to that German psychopathic monster, only pointing out some surface similarities. The only points of comparison were (1) they were both freely elected (2) with well-known POV (3) that were ignored because they promised to clean-up/straighten-up messy situations and (4) they started their regimes by going after the fringe-types.

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"Hitler" I thought this was CRT not Fox News. :roll:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:38 am 
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Hard not to know when they are 100 feet from my apartment gate and loud as shit some nights.

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why don't you organize a community watch or just and old fashioned take down with a few heads rolling

or do what they did in Alejuela and film the Johns coming by and post their licsense plate numbers on Facebook


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:42 am 
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If they would not be so noisy I have no problem with them. They obviously get business from Ticos and Gringos. There have even been sightings of a few CRTers bringing them back to some of our fav sponsors.

It would be better if they had their own DR and did not work the streets.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:26 am 
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All I know is that those Trannies have never really bothered me. Do I think there behavior is twisted and weird? Perhaps. But I always try to refrain from making those sorts of value judgments on anyone else's sexual behavior (as long as it is consensual and they're not hurting anyone who doesn't want to get hurt), lest someone else makes their own value judgment about some of the things I do. And we all know that there are plenty of conservative/puritanical people who think what we do (sex with prostitutes, even female ones, oral sex, even any regular sex beyond the missionary position, etc.) is twisted and weird. So, IMHO, we should really be the LAST people to cast judgment on the Trannies.

And what JB said is very true. Not that he was EQUATING what "the Rodent" Chinchilla is doing to the actions of Hitler, which I don't think he ever was. For one thing, "the Rodent" is not sending these transvestites to any extermination camps (at least not yet :P, though she might like to :P) and would hopefully be stopped long before she ever got to that level. But JB's point was that the tactics of the two demagogues ARE clearly similar to the extent that zealots like them often start by going after the "easy fruit" (people that few of the masses really like to begin with) before going on to the more marginal targets (ones on which the masses are more divided) who those "leaders" clearly personally feel are also deserving of government persecution and are probably their real and ultimate goal. At what point does the public draw the line? Its like the old story of the frog and the pot of hot water. Drop a frog in pot of boiling water and he instantly will jump out (or so the story goes) but put a frog into a pot of room temperature water and slowly bring it to a boil and that frog will stay there until it cooks to death. So this is all the more reason why we, as mongers and victims of harassment ourselves, should be more supportive of "Tranny Rights" even if we have to hold our noses while doing it.

In this case, those trannies aren't doing anything illegal, or at least they aren't being harassed for anything they are doing that is illegal. As we all know, simple prostitution in CR is not illegal.

So what is the official justification for harassing these crazy mixed girl-men? That they're committing other street crimes like small-scale robberies? Sure, SOME are, so go after those Trannies who are involved in that, HOWEVER of those out on the street after dark it is FAR more often just regularly dressed men who are committing most of that sort of crime. So shouldn't such sweeps be casting a much wider net rather than targetting a group who probably only commits those crimes out of the economic desperation born from the discrimination they already face.

Or are they targetting that particular group because they harass tourists and create a public nuisance? Again, SOME do, so go after those Trannies who are involved in that, HOWEVER, again, IMHO, there are clearly other groups who are much more of a nuisance to the tourists. The trannies mostly hang in self-protective small groups around remote corners north of the Gulch and then mostly only at night. Most tourists take cabs when they go about at night. So the only "contact" the Trannies have with any tourists are with the very few tourists that still walk between places at night and the mere view of them that the rest of us have from passing cabs. Sure, they usually will call out to you to see if you're up for any "business" if you happen to walk past when they're out, but IME they nearly always go back to whatever they were doing before as soon as they see that you aren't interested. I suspect that nearly all their business is done with otherwise closeted gay ticos and, of course, the occasional openly gay sex tourist, but then whatever "business" they wind up conducting is done somewhere entirely in private and is completely non-exploitive of either side. The Trannies biggest "crime" is really simply that they are visible to tourists (and locals) as they pass by in cars and that their mere presence is some sort of embarassment to the community. As far as groups that harass tourists are concerned, I'd much rather they focus on the beggars, fake cuban cigar sellers, viagra hustlers and other con artists that congregate outside the doors of the HDR and who very rarely ever take "NO!" as an answer. They also happen to be conveniently located all in one place so they could even more easily be swept up by the authorties.

My one last comment before I let you all go and end my latest diatribe has already been mentioned by others and that is about use of resources and law enforcement efficiency. As others have already pointed out, these massive high profile efforts never lead to many arrests (obviously because these groups are not really breaking any laws). And, unless they pass a NEW law outlawing STREET prostitution, they never will lead to many arrests. Until then IMHO the limited law enforcement resources could be MUCH better spent going after the REAL criminals (which only SOMETIMES includes the trannies). That is if they REALLY wanted to make the streets SAFER for tourists and local citizens rather than trying to implement some superficial PUBLIC RELATIONS tactic or "moral crusade".


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:34 pm 
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When Fuerza Publica does nothing to protect tourists in the gulch, they're corrupt and lazy; when they do something, they're fascists. :?: :?: :?:
You don't get it. The problem is NOT simply that they're finally doing something but that the thing they're doing really does NOTHING to protect tourists in the gulch. What's more, not only doesn't it do anything to protect us tourists but its REAL aim is to harass groups who aren't really breaking any laws or harming any tourists but that they simply consider undesirable AND that WE, as "undesirable" sex tourists, are next. If they ever decided to go after REAL criminals, I seriously doubt any of us would complain about them as being fascists.
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... why don't you organize a community watch or just and old fashioned take down with a few heads rolling or do what they did in Alejuela and film the Johns coming by and post their licsense plate numbers on Facebook
Yeah, and why don't we throw gasoline on the homeless and light them on fire and then take pictures of all the guys walking out of the Del Rey with their female hookers and post those on Facebook too for all their already suspicious wives to find? Being in a group that is subject to increasing discrimination ourselves (namely being sex tourists), we're really the last ones who should be advocating vigilanteeism against another similarly discriminated group whose only real crime is being different from the mainstream.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:04 pm 
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Prolijo wrote:
All I know is that those Trannies have never really bothered me. ".



There in lies the problem...you are an occasional tourist and we live in the neighborhood and the problem is their noise at 2,3,4,5 in the morning, the shit...literally shit ...they leave on the sidewalk and the garbage which remains from their business.

I could give a damn about their sexual preferences


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:43 pm 
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When Fuerza Publica does nothing to protect tourists in the gulch, they're corrupt and lazy; when they do something, they're fascists. :?: :?: :?:
You don't get it. The problem is NOT simply that they're finally doing something but that the thing they're doing really does NOTHING to protect tourists in the gulch. What's more, not only doesn't it do anything to protect us tourists but its REAL aim is to harass groups who aren't really breaking any laws or harming any tourists but that they simply consider undesirable AND that WE, as "undesirable" sex tourists, are next. If they ever decided to go after REAL criminals, I seriously doubt any of us would complain about them as being fascists.


I agree with you that transvestites should not be a class of citizens who should be treated any differently than you or me.

However, let's imagine that you and I and fifty of our friends congregated every night in a relatively nice neighborhood, making noise pretty much throughout the night, occasionally getting in fights with each other, some of our group occasionally robbing passers-by, probably some of us selling drugs. should we be surprised when some night some cops come and talk to us.

According to AM Costa Rica "about fifty people were interviewed." Among those interviewed were not just transvestites, but "security guards, those who watch vehicles and apparent female prostitutes." The article says that on an average night there are 100 to 150 transvestites on the street. This was a Saturday, so it would probably be an above average night. Sounds like not all the transvestites were interviewed and not everyone interviewed was a transvestite.

The article also talks about "one case, [in which] a transvestite prostitute was stabbed to death by a man who arrived in a pickup truck near Hospital Clinica Biblica." We really don't know if this had anything to do with the operation. Certainly AM Costa Rica doesn't say so and seems to be implying something else, but we just don't know.

As far as use of resources is concerned, AM Costa Rica does not say how many police were involved in the operation. It could have been fifty. It could have been five. We don't know.

With regard to the police doing "NOTHING" to protect tourists in the gulch, they have certainly worked to improve their protection of tourists in general (and, to some extent, that includes the gulch). Over the last several years the various police forces have increased their ranks substantially, have gotten a lot of new equipment, last month they began installing security cameras for much of Avenida Central. The courts have been more aggressive in sentencing. There are new police units much more active in places like Leon XIII, La Carpio and the other truly dangerous barrios (which are the breeding grounds of many of those committing crimes in the gulch). Meanwhile, there has been a substantial increase in successful police corruption convictions.

Are their priorities protecting Ticos and residents first, eco-tourists and family vacationers next and mongers after that? Probably, but doesn't that make sense, both politically and economically?

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