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What in the world is a "mangia cake" :?: :shock:

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Like you was lost on that one MH :? So I went to the urban dictionary and found this.

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Translation: "Cake eater". A derogatory term used by blue collar Italo-Canadians used to describe commercialized middle-class WASPs. Italo-Canadians would view the typical daily diet of fellow WASP workers to be based on refined white flour and sugar.
Dave: "Yum! Kraft peanut butter and jam sandwiches on Wonderbread and a Coke and Twinkie" for lunch. I've been hungry since my usual double-double coffee and 3 Tim Horton's donuts from this morning. I can't wait to get home and have a Schneider's honey glazed ham and McCaines frozen cake."
Mario: "Dave. Oh. Don't be such a mangiacake. I got a mortadella, tomato and provolone on a pannino and escarole salad. Why don't you come over to my moms and try some of her pasta al forno with veal and dad's homemade sausage and wine."


Thanks!!! I really had no clue.

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I thought I'd throw that one in for our Canadian friend here. Maybe I should have just used Canuck instead, but I felt the other one was a bit more colorful. :)


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Obviously their is some cultural difference between Canada and the US because nobody would give two shits if you called them a mangia-cake, a canuck, a yankee, a cracker, charlie, chinaman. Maybe its a generational thing, but no one is that die hard anymore.


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I think the airlines could make a great deal of money if they charged each and every passenger who elected to listen to the ever so helpful pre-flight emergency procedures chat along with where the exits on the plane are..... 8) 8) 8)

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I think the airlines could make a great deal of money if they charged each and every passenger who elected to listen to the ever so helpful pre-flight emergency procedures chat along with where the exits on the plane are..... 8) 8) 8)


I like watching the new or first time travelers faces as they panic to find the proper manual and read along. Meanwhile the guy next to him is asleep, and the other is listening to his Ipod at ear shattering dB :lol:

At least they are making progress in the way that they usually just play a tape and don't do the whole prop demonstration thing anymore

Maybe they can just opt out of the whole pre-flight emergency procedure business and get their flight attendants to wander around soliciting life insurance coverage for a marginal mark-up :D


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Apparently, Baldanza is either feeling some backlash or is trying to cover Spirit regarding the $.01 sale as far as the FAA is concerned as he has sent a new, updated message:

http://link.spiritairlines.com/t.d?UYGo ... 2tqjhP1cEC


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Jmac,
You either continue to simply and genuinely not "get it" or stubbornly and vainly refuse to admit to anyone else that what you wrote was so wrong.

I confess I really don't know the socio-cultural mores of Canada. Maybe people up there use "Mangia Cake" or "Canuck" the way many of us around here use "Gringo", i.e. with no apparent negative intent. Frankly, I just threw that in there to try and make what I was trying to say more personal to you. Apparently, I probably could have picked a better example. However, I can guarantee you that if you, as a white boy, used the term "Nigger" towards a black person here in the US, most of them would be seriously offended and some of them might even physically attack you for it. Similarly, I can tell you and am telling you as a Jew that, while I would not consider it something to get in a fight over, I would find it very offensive if someone called me a "Kike" (and think to myself how it reflected on the racism, ignorance and insensitivity of the person saying it). EVEN IF you THINK there is nothing wrong with the words you choose to use or EVEN IF you realize it is bad BUT don't THINK the other person should be so seriously offended, how they take it is NOT YOUR CALL. Once you know that other people ARE offended by what you say, the proper thing that most civilized people would do is to say "I'm sorry I offended you. I didn't mean to but I will try not to do it again" and then, AT LEAST, not use those offensive terms anywhere around anyone who might take it offensively (Actually you really should stop using those terms anywhere once you find out they're bad). But apparently "Canucks" aren't particularly civilized.

And, as I've already pointed out, what you wrote goes well beyond the simple name-calling that I used for examples. Essentially, you were either at best unfairly insulting all Jews by linking them to the reprehensible actions of a corporation that is not even run by any Jews or, worse, you were badmouthing a corporation (which deserved it) but doing it by likening their actions to the sorts of reprehensible actions that people (like you apparently) already unfairly associate with Jews (who don't deserve it). There is no way you could claim it was just some meaningless word or title since it was used in direct context to specific actions that we've all just been complaining about. In effect, whenever you say a person (or company) who is cheap, greedy and deceitful is "jewing someone over", you're saying that Jews most typically exhibit those traits. How can you honestly say that is anything but insulting to a Jewish person? It would be like me saying that young men from Canada (which includes you) are ignorant, insensitive, racist assholes.

This is the last I'll write on it because if you can't "get it" by now, you'll probably never be able to comprehend these simple concepts. And I expect that is the case, that you're simply to dense to understand what I've been trying to explain or to proud to admit that what you wrote was wrong. I might have understood if you wrote what you did and then, after I called you on it, said "Gee, I hadn't stopped to think what that meant or how it would sound when I wrote it (which happens to all of us sometimes) but now that you've pointed it out and explained why it was so offensive to you, I understand and will try not to use that expression again". But now, even after my painstakingly explaining it to you from all different angles, you continue to cling to the notion that there was nothing at all wrong with what you wrote. In the end, LIK probably had the best idea when he advised me: "Sadly, while it is difficult, we are probably better off just ignoring or writing off such ignorance and bias."

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I'm not sure if that link is really any new update or softening of their tone or not. It appears to be the exact same message that Jmac posted about on Tuesday.

The key part to me seems to be #3:
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You can bring a FREE personal item onboard, such as a purse, briefcase, backpack or laptop computer. Other exceptions are: assistive devices, medicine, umbrella, outer garments (coats, hats, wraps), camera, car seat/stroller, infant diaper bag, reading material for the flight, or food for immediate consumption.

1) Weren't we always able to bring a "FREE" personal item onboard before? In that excerpt, it seems like they're trying to make it sound like they're giving something new now that they hadn't before. Gee, that is mighty white of them, ... er, I mean it is very decent of them.
2) So does all that this new policy simply mean is that they'll now start charging for anything MORE than one? What if you have say a camera that doesn't fit in your small laptop case and you carry it seperate? Will you get charged for that even though both items are really fairly small?
3) Does this clarification above represent a reversal or softening of what they initially were trying to do or were they never really ever planning to charge for the 1st carry-on item? In other words, was their new policy ever meant to completely exclude ANY carry-on OR was it always meant to just LIMIT it to ONE item of REASONABLE size?
4) That list includes many specific examples but is still seems open to some interpretation. For example, I assume by backpack they really mean a DAYpack or something like the bookbags K*ds use iin school but to me a backpack could be much larger and, in fact, that is what I use to carry ALL my stuff when I travel recreationally. So I would read that part to mean that I should be able to bring my bag on the plane at no extra charge but I wouldn't bet they would agree. So how do they decide what constitutes a "personal item", particularly when they're not specifically on the list? The check-in clerk or gate attendant? And will they be consistent, rigid or lax?

The list of allowables seems to fall into three catregories:
1) items that you might need getting to/from the airport and/or gate and which thus could not be so easily pack with your other stuff (e.g. umbrella, outer garments such as coats, hats, wraps), car seat/stroller)
2) items that you might need on the flight itself (e.g. assistive devices, medicine, infant diaper bag, reading material for the flight, or food for immediate consumption) - (btw, does this mean that the duty-free liquor or cigarettes one might buy before getting on the plane would not count because they are not for immediate consumption?)
3) items of particularly high-value and/or a delicate nature or satchels meant to hold such items (e.g. purse, briefcase, laptop computer or camera)

plus the (presumably small) "backpack" that is used to hold one or more of the above items.


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5 Airlines Pledge Not to Charge for Carry-On Bags

ATLANTA (April 18) -- In a remarkable gesture to fee-weary air travelers, five major U.S. airlines are committing to actually not charge a fee for something -- the sacred carryon bag.

The announcement today comes despite the fact that some of those same airlines are expected to report first-quarter losses next week amid significantly higher fuel prices and the beating they took from the heavy February snowstorms. Add-on fees for things like checked bags, pillows and food are a key revenue stream for them.
For 26 large U.S. airlines, so-called ancillary fee revenue accounted for 6.9 percent of their total operating revenue in the third quarter of 2009, up from 4.1 percent a year earlier, the most recently available government data shows.

But major carriers risk alienating customers if they follow Spirit Airlines' lead and impose a fee on carryon bags. The small Florida airline in August will begin charging customers up to $45 to place a bag in an overhead bin.

Other fees haven't stopped people from flying, but many of those fees can be avoided. It would be hard for many travelers to avoid a carryon bag fee.

"We believe it is something that's important to our customers and they value, and we will continue making that available to them at no charge," American Airlines spokesman Roger Frizzell said.

New York Sen. Charles Schumer said Sunday that American, Delta Air Lines, United Airlines, US Airways and JetBlue Airways each have committed to him that they would not institute fees for carryon bags. He said he was hopeful other carriers would follow suit.
Notably absent from the list was Continental Airlines, which is said to be in merger talks with United.

It wasn't immediately clear how long the airlines had pledged not to charge for carryons.

Frizzell couldn't say, and a spokesman for Delta declined to comment.

Schumer said he planned to meet with Spirit Airlines leadership in the coming week.

He will have an uphill battle changing Spirit's mind, however.

Ben Baldanza, Spirit's president and CEO, told The Associated Press on Sunday that his airline still plans to go forward with its carryon bag fee.

"Our plan was never predicated on anyone matching us," Baldanza said. "The fact that other people are saying they won't has never changed our view that this is right."

He said the decision by the five major carriers actually puts pressure on those airlines because Spirit has lowered its fares more than the price of the new fee.
"We knew we took a risk with this strategy, but we believe on balance it's one that our customers will buy into," Baldanza said.

Schumer and five other Democratic senators - Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, Ben Cardin of Maryland, Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, and Robert Menendez and Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey - are supporting legislation that would tax airlines if they charged carryon bag fees.

Schumer said the legislation would move forward until it becomes clear that no airline will institute the charges.

American Airlines
Delta Airlines
United Airlines
U.S. Airways
Jetblue

Let's hope this holds true. Spirit may have to think twice now. :lol:

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Nice catch and thanks for sharing, Brother Lion King. I'm not quite sure what role Congress can or should play in this--it smacks of granstanding. It will be real interesting to see how this all plays out.
BTW, I didn't see my comments above is political but will edit them out if others strongly disagree.

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Schumer and five other Democratic senators - Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, Ben Cardin of Maryland, Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, and Robert Menendez and Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey - are supporting legislation that would tax airlines if they charged carryon bag fees.

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A Tax!!!! :!: :!: :!: :!:

I applaud Mr Schumer for his spearheading the anti - fee Tea Party here but a TAX??? Puh - lease! :roll: :roll: :roll:

Spirit has lowered some fares though...i just booked NY twice in May for 86 and 101 bucks all-in each....and they have a 40 buck each way sale on to MDE :twisted: Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! :wink:

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Phoenix Rising wrote:
Posted Wedneday April 14

This is the letter I wrote to Sr Baldanza in response to his email:

Dear Mr Baldanza,


Regretfully,I for one will stop flying your airline if you take this action, use my reward mileage and turn in my mastercard.


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Spirit has lowered some fares though...i just booked NY twice in May


:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: A 7 day boycott :P

guess either Spirit abandoned the idea or Baldanza was correct in his assumption that price of the flight trumps all the nuisance fees they add.

As for PR's tag line He who laughs last, laughs best guess that is Baldanza in this case. :lol: :lol:

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Irish Drifter wrote:
Phoenix Rising wrote:
Posted Wedneday April 14

This is the letter I wrote to Sr Baldanza in response to his email:

Dear Mr Baldanza,


Regretfully,I for one will stop flying your airline if you take this action, use my reward mileage and turn in my mastercard.


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Posted Wednesday April 21


Spirit has lowered some fares though...i just booked NY twice in May


:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: A 7 day boycott :P

guess either Spirit abandoned the idea or Baldanza was correct in his assumption that price of the flight trumps all the nuisance fees they add.

As for PR's tag line He who laughs last, laughs best guess that is Baldanza in this case. :lol: :lol:


ID, if you read my post more carefully, you may have noticed that I had written:

I for one will stop flying your airline if you take this action,

Spirit Airlines has not, as of yet, taken this action. According to their emails they intend to begin accepting online payment of carry-on luggage fees as of July 1st for travel after August 1st...(maybe you carelessly missed that too?) :shock: :lol: Thus, my booking of air travel on Spirit for the month of May, does not contradict the intentions set forth in my letter to Mr Baldanza. Still, I remain hopeful he will come around and abandon this locura.

But...thanks ID, as always! for another useful er...useless post.... :roll: :roll: :lol:

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Phoenix Rising wrote:
Irish Drifter wrote:
Phoenix Rising wrote:
Posted Wedneday April 14

This is the letter I wrote to Sr Baldanza in response to his email:

Dear Mr Baldanza,


Regretfully,I for one will stop flying your airline if you take this action, use my reward mileage and turn in my mastercard.


Phoenix Rising wrote:
Posted Wednesday April 21


Spirit has lowered some fares though...i just booked NY twice in May


:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: A 7 day boycott :P

guess either Spirit abandoned the idea or Baldanza was correct in his assumption that price of the flight trumps all the nuisance fees they add.

As for PR's tag line He who laughs last, laughs best guess that is Baldanza in this case. :lol: :lol:


ID, if you read my post more carefully, you may have noticed that I had written:

I for one will stop flying your airline if you take this action,

Spirit Airlines has not, as of yet, taken this action. According to their emails they intend to begin accepting online payment of carry-on luggage fees as of July 1st for travel after August 1st...(maybe you carelessly missed that too?) :shock: :lol: Thus, my booking of air travel on Spirit for the month of May, does not contradict the intentions set forth in my letter to Mr Baldanza. Still, I remain hopeful he will come around and abandon this locura.

But...thanks ID, as always! for another useful er...useless post.... :roll: :roll: :lol:

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Phoenix Rising wrote:
ID, if you read my post more carefully, you may have noticed that I had written:

I for one will stop flying your airline if you take this action,


You should have been a lawyer. Any thinking non legal person would know you were threatening to stop flying them unless they announced they were rescinding their announced policy. Why would you continue to patronize a purveyor of a service that you so vehemently disagree with their announced business decision?

Nice dancing around however.

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But...thanks ID, as always! for another useful er...useless post....


Don't worry your title of King of uselessness is still intact. No one on this board comes close to posting the nonsense you do. :P :P :P :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Irish Drifter wrote:
Phoenix Rising wrote:
ID, if you read my post more carefully, you may have noticed that I had written:

I for one will stop flying your airline if you take this action,


You should have been a lawyer. Any thinking non legal person would know you were threatening to stop flying them unless they announced they were rescinding their announced policy. Why would you continue to patronize a purveyor of a service that you so vehemently disagree with their announced business decision?




LAME!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Oh come on now! :P :lol: It's YOU that should have been a lawyer! You were nailed to the wall and STILL came up with a (albeit ridiculous) rebuttal!!! :lol:

Maybe you really meant to say...

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Hah! I missed that! you're right PR ...i stand corrected! sometimes a man my age has a mental lapse or two. I apologize!


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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