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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:15 am 
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Just a question that is not necessarily applicable just to CR, but I was planning on retiring overseas and can count a pension SS and savings. I thought however, that I might seek training in a field that would allow me to field employment overseas more easily when I do retire.

I was wondering, what if anything those living in CR do for employment? I know there are legal restrictions on working in CR and lots of other countries, but I wondered whether a lot of you guys work as self employed or do jobs that allow foreigners to work, such as English teachers?

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TB I too have thought of retiring somewhere overseas to a non-english speaking country and making a living teaching english. I found that you need some formal english speaking training credentials.
Go to www.eslcafe.com to learn more. With a basic English as a Second Language certificte which takes about 6 weeks to get you should be able to find work and have the resourses of the institute behind you.
Even if you are not allowed to work officially you should be able to find students who will pay you under the table to get a little tution.
This is only my opinion and you can get a lot of info from the web site above. It is also called Dave's ESL Cafe.
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I met a dude in Cali that was teaching english part time. he just put an ad in the local paper. he did not have any certificate.

it was not a lot of money, but he enjoyed the work and meeting people.

i suppose it could lead to other work, but legit work permits may be hard to acquire in any country.

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There is a lot of knowledge out there and I am just trying to get some of those pearls of wisdom.

Along with teaching English, I was also actually thinking of culinary school or hotel management as some type of occupation that I could do part time and enjoy the scene without touching the nest egg. I would say run a bar, but normally that ends up drinking the bar and that just wouldn't work. The other option is try working as a contractor for my current civilian employer once the military gig is over. what I would like to know is: Does anyone here work down range and if so, what do they do, what are the pluses and minuses and it doesn't have to be limited to teaching English. Please let me know what you all know. Thanks. :)

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An interesting article on expats working in Costa Rica was in AM Costa Rica this morning.

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For expats working here, it's a very different world
By Garland M. Baker
Special to A.M. Costa Rica

Being an important expat destination, Costa Rica offers great weather, beaches and plenty of rainforests, and it can be, bureaucracy and all, a good location for expats who want to grow their businesses. However, there is a group of expats who not only do not own businesses but also need to make ends meet. They get to know a very different kind of jungle: Costa Rican workplaces.

Common employment for expats or foreigners looking for a temporary Costa Rican experience include English teaching, sales and customer service at sportsbooks, casinos, other call centers and real estate firms. Jobs in tourism are the fewest, and they usually require applicants to speak fluent Spanish. In addition, some expats or foreigners seek to get hired or, if popular enough, get requested for cultural activities, especially in the music scene.

In many interviews with expates about their employment experiences in Costa Rica, there seems to be some common denominators in Tico workplace environments. Aiming to set the record straight – unlike many sites that sugarcoat everything about this country – the following are some of the most important ones.

Contract discrepancies. Expats who get hired in jobs whre employers do not require work permits should get paid the full amount offered during the interview. Too often companies wait until it is time to pay the first salary to fast-talk foreigners into believing they are required to pay 9 percent of their salary as government withholdings because of immigration scrutiny. This constitutes employer fraud. Employers can only deduct 9 percent of salaries from employees who are registered in the Caja Costarricense de Seguro Social.

The social security agency in Costa Rica is commonly referred to as the "Caja" That percentage goes directly to that organization. If employers are deducting the withholdings from unregistered employees, they are keeping the money, plain and simple. They cannot send those percentages to Caja because they would be questioned as to whom that money corresponds, nor will they be exempt from a hefty fine if they are caught employing illegal workers, even when deducting the monthly amount. Expats should ask about this aspect during their interviews, and address their knowledge on the matter.

Other complaints have to do with hours promised vs. hours offered. This is especially true for English teachers. Many report being promised full-time schedules and only being given a fraction of that once they sign six-month to one-year commitments with deceiving schools.

Payment irregularities. This seems to be the aspect drawing the most resentment from expats. Some state they applied for jobs that advertised salaries in dollars to then find out that their first salary was paid in colons. Even if they always had the option to quit, some of them decided to endure their jobs, always worrying about converting their monthly payments to dollars to make sure they reflected accurate exchange rates.

Payment delays are also very frequent, especially in sportbooks or casinos. Expats have reported up to a week's delay in getting their salaries, always being told bogus excuses by their employers about having problems with bank transfers. The ironic thing is that most call center employers are expats themselves, but they have adopted hora tica (Tico timing) when doing business.

Unannounced, gradual salary cutbacks have also been reported. This aspect is frequent in places where salaries are paid under the table. If management decides to start cutting back on commissions or salary amounts that were initially promised, employees have no way to legally protect themselves.

Lying about payment amounts or payment at all also seems to be common in contracts concerning the music scene. Foreign disc jockeys who are hired in local bars complain about how often they have to address problems with the amount they get paid compared to the one offered, which is also true for foreign performers. Some music concerts have been cancelled, even once the audience has arrived to the location, due to payment disagreements between foreign artists and event organizers. Fans have even vandalized facilities once they find out they are not getting their money back either. Expat disc jockeys who aim to get jobs at radio stations say it is good exposure, but forget about getting paid.

Some of them were lied to during job interviews at different stations, being told that once the ratings were received, they would sit down to discuss compensation. Instead, they were given the runarounds by employers once it was time to discuss payment and when some pressed the issue, they were magically taken off the air. Others opted for sucking up to the station and were able to get full-time administrative jobs that would give them monthly salaries ranging from only $300 to $400.

No degree recognition. Costa Rica may be the education diploma paradise for Ticos, but not for expats. Costa Ricans know the more degrees they obtain, the better they will do professionally and financially. That is why there are so many Ticos enrolled in master's degree programs and
short-term trainings that will give them some kind of certificate or diploma. Those open doors. However, expats rarely share this advantage. Expats with bachelor’s degrees do not get better salaries compared to Ticos who have no college education for call center jobs or travel agencies.

The same happens with post-graduate degrees. English teachers who have master’s degrees or Ph.D.s do not get better salaries or positions in language schools unless they have mastered Spanish as well. Ticos do not seem to recognize professional achievement unless it is spoken in their language. Most expats do not even get it until they are residents. Therefore, foreigners with higher education usually end up founding their own language schools in order to put their degrees to good use.

Crazy work ethics. Although this aspect can be true of any office around the world, at least it is true that in Costa Rica it is the one thing you can always count on in the workplace: From increasing daily tasks with no corresponding raise to blatant favoritism reflected in treatment and unjustified raises from management to certain employees, Expats describe Tico office environments as an indoor Wild Wild West. Even though labor code violations are penalized, and the court usually rules in favor of the victim, work ethics that cannot be evidenced in paper are hard to prove in court. There are many cases of sexual harassment, sexism and verbal abuse that go unreported as well.

Concerning the Costa Rican music scene, anarchy seems to be the rule. Many expat and visiting musicians claim that event organizers, bar owners and promoters leave everything for the last minute, provoking embarrassing interruptions or performance delays due to their negligence concerning sound or equipment quality.

No professionalism. Costa Ricans holding an authority position anywhere seem to think that supervising or managing equals patronizing. Tico employees appear used to being disrespected by their employers or supervisors, but foreigners are not. However, Ticos who are not internationally educated treat foreign employees the same way they treat their own. They could have older expats under them, and they still scold them as if they were Ch*ldren. What they also ignore is that most foreigners will hold their own and put them in their place, which sometimes has resulted in unfair firings, since disrespectful Tico supervisors are usually backed up by companies due to their opportunistic skills. Some expat supervisors are not exempt from being jerks, but they usually patronize Ticos, not fellow expats.

Physical contact and no personal space. Costa Ricans have a very physical way of relating to others. Expats often complain about having to kiss Tico co-workers of the opposite sex on the cheek every morning, even the ones they do not like, as Ticos do among themselves. Many expats also feel Ticos have no sense of personal space, since they usually get too close to walk by or talk to them.

No political correctness. Ticos do not know what the term politically correct means. There is no equivalent for that phrase in Spanish either. Costa Ricans feel free to make ignorant racist, sexist, homophobic and ageist jokes in the workplace, disregarding the feelings of those around them. They also feel free to openly discriminate against others based on race, ethnicity or class. Many expats still cannot get over that aspect, especially because it is legally and culturally allowed.

Moving to any foreign country will always need some kind of adjustment, but most relevant information about what to really expect in Costa Rica is unavailable, and most Ticos do not want to have certain aspects of their culture revealed abroad. They need to keep Costa Rica’s reputation intact, and so far it has been working. Until now.


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Great article, very informative. Thanks ID. :D

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Of course the article does not point out that almost all gringos working here are doing so illegally and have no rights per se. In addition many of the bosses and owners (especially in call center/sportsbooks) are gringos.

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Admittedly, I have limited knowledge of the issue, but as I understand it, a noncitizen/nonresident can't work in their own business, just manage it. This means if you own a business with employees and they aren't there due to, say, a labor dispute, you have to close until the dispute is resolved or you get other replacements. Immediate negative impact on a service business. This all in addition to a crazy-quilt of labor regulations, necessary payments, et cetera ad nauseam. Anybody contemplating opening/ running a business in CR had better know what their doing or therein lies madness.
Just my 2 cents and feel free to dispute or ignore what I've said.

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I have taught English both freelance and with private schools in many countries.The ESL side is what I can comment on best.You can make money if you are enterprising enough teaching English.If I lived in CR, I would sign on with a school in San Jose and get as many hours as possible.You have to be firm in the interview and build a good relationship with management.If you are a natural at that, you should get 30+ teaching hours a week, in any economy.If you think it will be like in the US and everyone will just notice your brilliance, you will get at best 10 hours a week.That is how it is.
Now for the real money, private lessons.You can offer additional tutoring to your students for a nominal cost.Then you offer them a deal.A free lesson for every friend or relative they can get committed to lessons.In Taiwan and China I had students that never paid me a dime but brought a few friends a week to me, keeping the calender full.

So you have your legal money(school), your side money (private lessons). Now for the fun money.If you speak a little espanol, work your way around Del Rey,SL, etc. and start a casual conversation about how much more money the chicas that speak English make.Offer to give a few classes.Any teacher worth thier money has a 10 min. impromptu lesson in thier head.You can do it at a table in your favorite establishment.Do a few of these and you will get a good reputation and be able to make money there too.


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JazzboCR wrote:
Admittedly, I have limited knowledge of the issue, but as I understand it, a noncitizen/nonresident can't work in their own business, just manage it. This means if you own a business with employees and they aren't there due to, say, a labor dispute, you have to close until the dispute is resolved or you get other replacements.


The only thing I would note Jazz is that not all residents can actually do any thing in their business other then supervise. To actually do any of the work you must hold "Residente Permanente libre condicion". That can not be granted until you have been either a resident pensionado or rentista for at least 3 years. Adding in the processing time for the initial approval of your residency and then the time for granting the change from that status to permanent you are looking at about 5 full years.

As to obtaining a work permit a letter to the editor was in this mornings AM Costa Rica concerning that option.

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Dear A.M. Costa Rica:

Garland Baker's article about expats working in Costa Rica in Monday's edition failed to include the single most important point: It is illegal for any foreigner to work in Costa Rica while here on a tourist visa or while in a temporary residency status (rentista or pensionado). Foreigners may not compete with Costa Rican citizens for jobs unless there is no Costa Rican who can do the work. In that circumstance, the foreigner is legally required to have a work permit issued by the government before beginning to work. Obtaining a work permit can take a year or more, and success isn't guaranteed.

The other observations in his article may be generally correct, but to omit this most important point is to mislead your readers into thinking that working here is a real possibility.

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The "no compete" clause in the article posted is rather common in most countries.Wish we had it in the USA. The way around it is to come up with some special certificate or qualification in your field not available in CR.


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JazzboCR wrote:
Admittedly, I have limited knowledge of the issue, but as I understand it, a noncitizen/nonresident can't work in their own business, just manage it. This means if you own a business with employees and they aren't there due to, say, a labor dispute, you have to close until the dispute is resolved or you get other replacements.


The only thing I would note Jazz is that not all residents can actually do any thing in their business other then supervise. To actually do any of the work you must hold "Residente Permanente libre condicion". That can not be granted until you have been either a resident pensionado or rentista for at least 3 years. Adding in the processing time for the initial approval of your residency and then the time for granting the change from that status to permanent you are looking at about 5 full years.

As to obtaining a work permit a letter to the editor was in this mornings AM Costa Rica concerning that option.

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Most important aspect
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Dear A.M. Costa Rica:

Garland Baker's article about expats working in Costa Rica in Monday's edition failed to include the single most important point: It is illegal for any foreigner to work in Costa Rica while here on a tourist visa or while in a temporary residency status (rentista or pensionado). Foreigners may not compete with Costa Rican citizens for jobs unless there is no Costa Rican who can do the work. In that circumstance, the foreigner is legally required to have a work permit issued by the government before beginning to work. Obtaining a work permit can take a year or more, and success isn't guaranteed.

The other observations in his article may be generally correct, but to omit this most important point is to mislead your readers into thinking that working here is a real possibility.


ID I know this is the law that you can't work. But, I know at least a dozen gringos that are working illegally. And, I know several that own business that do a heck of a lot more than just supervise. I think the laws and enforcement are very grey in Costa Rica. For example, I know a guy who got busted for working as a bar owner that did more than superivse. The reason - he was a a complete asshole and someone got pissed and ratted him out. Now, he is facing deportation for a whole lot of other causes.

I'm not making any recommendation either way - but there is a grey area that CR doesn't really give a shit about. This particular guy brought on his own demise.

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ID I know this is the law that you can't work. But, I know at least a dozen gringos that are working illegally. And, I know several that own business that do a heck of a lot more than just supervise. I think the laws and enforcement are very grey in Costa Rica. For example, I know a guy who got busted for working as a bar owner that did more than superivse. The reason - he was a a complete asshole and someone got pissed and ratted him out. Now, he is facing deportation for a whole lot of other causes.

I'm not making any recommendation either way - but there is a grey area that CR doesn't really give a shit about. This particular guy brought on his own demise.


You are absolutely correct. I know of gringos who own businesses and do some of the work. It certainly is not an area where enforcement is usual. The problem, as I see it, is that you are always having to be very careful in your dealings with your employees and customers. There is always the possibility that one of them will become disgruntled and drop a dime on you which will most likely lead to a follow up by an Immigration inspector and cause you serious problems up to and including deportation.

Personally I would not want my investment and livelihood in the hands of some 20 year old Tico/a who got upset because they did not appreciate my telling them that they were not doing their job satisfactorily.

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More and more gringos are figuring out how to run their businesses online so that it is not an issue. I had employees for a while and I will NEVER have employees in this country again. There is no work ethic. Most are just looking for the easiest path possible. Days of paying double, aguinaldos (which have been greatly abused from their original origins), not able to fire without having to pay a large sum..... There are ways to work down here, but restaurants, bars and visible places are not the way to go....


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More and more gringos are figuring out how to run their businesses online so that it is not an issue. I had employees for a while and I will NEVER have employees in this country again. There is no work ethic. Most are just looking for the easiest path possible. Days of paying double, aguinaldos (which have been greatly abused from their original origins), not able to fire without having to pay a large sum..... There are ways to work down here, but restaurants, bars and visible places are not the way to go....


I had an employee too. You and ID are correct. The labor laws in CR are HEAVILY side on the employee. And, yes most are looking for the laziest form to earn income. My advice is to keep with the 90 day law. If they slack, fire them within 90. Otherwise, they are entitled to a shitload of benefits and grievances.

If you are accustomed to US labor law, I advise legal counsel, because down here laziness is enforced as norm.

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