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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:10 pm 
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I really don't think this chica was pulling some scam. After all, as good as some of the more experienced chicas might be at acting, this role would have called for a real Oscar winning performance to be believable enough for some one to fall for. Secondly, what is the probable pay-off? Are there really that many guys that are going to pay chicas Cien to go home without them? Even if she keeps coming back and playing the damsel in distress act night after night, what percentage of those nights would she succeed in getting some guy to pay her for basically doing nothing? My guess is that it would be really really low. Much lower, certainly, than finding guys to pay her for actually having sex. So which would be a more effective way for her to try and make money? Besides, if she HAD been doing that for any length of time, she would have become a recognizable face around the HDR and at least some guy around here would probably have come across her themselves (or had her pointed out to them by others) and it would have become increasingly difficult for her to pull off such a scam. OTOH, if she really was a first-timer and managed to get some guy to pay her Cien por Nada the first time out of the gate, if anything that might even ENCOURAGE her to come back again in the hope that lightning would strike again. Is it possible she was faking it all along and just pulling a scam? Sure, anything is possible. Is it likely? I really really doubt it.

OTOH, does it really make that much difference whether it was a scam or not? It was still a highly ineffective, wasteful and maybe even counterproductive way of dealing with the situation.

Despite all the above being said, it is equally improbable that this guy's grandiose gesture actually made any difference in this chica's life for any more than maybe just a few nights or maybe a few weeks. It may enable her to pay a few nagging bills that drove her to trying the HDR in the first place, but it does nothing to change the overarching problem of a lack of sufficient income to live on. Sooner rather than later those financial pressures will rear their ugly head again, perhaps as early as the due date for the next rent check. I doubt it was just some passing pressure like the occasional running up of a particularly high cellphone bill that drives a chica to trying something like the HDR. That is the spot for only the TRULY desperate. Is it possible this grandiose act was truly successful at turning some poor girl away from a career in prostitution? Sure, anything is possible (or as JB pointed out it is not ABSOLUTELY 100%). However, I think the odds are much greater at hitting triple bars on the HDR slots and it could probably just as well be 100%.

So what did this gesture really acheive? The most direct result is that this particular chica got some extra funds to pay a few bills (a very few). It is very doubtful that even a mere $100 will make that big a difference in her life or do anything the larger more long running issues that drove her to walking in the HDR to begin with. OTOH, it probably reinforced the image most ticas already have that gringos (at least some of them) are an easy touch with lots of money to throw around and thus, if you need money, the HDR is really the place to go. In other words, this gesture probably actually had the exact OPPOSITE effect of the ostensible one the giver thought he had. I phrased that last part the way I did because, under the surface, the main thing this giver was probably trying to acheive was to make HIMSELF feel like he was doing a good and magnanimous thing and was making some sort of difference. And, in THAT regard, he probably succeeded. Go ahead, fella, pat yourself on the back.

There is a definite hypocrisy going on here on the part of some. How can one believe that TRYING to "save" this one poor girl (and most likely not succeeding for more than even a fraction of the time between each of our trips) has any real significance, while over the course of those visits we go with dozens or even hundreds of other equally poor girls who are often not any more happy about having to be there, but have merely become more accustomed to it. Our going to CR for P4P, both collectively but even individually, does far more to provide the marketplace that draws all these HUNDREDS of girls to try the HDR as a way out of their financial problems. Paying off ONE on the vain hope that she will never return is really a tiny drop in the bucket, making really no difference at all and most likely being a total waste of money. If you guys really think that the marketplace we contribute to on every trip is such a horrible corrupting influence on these girls that we need to somehow save them from, then maybe you shouldn't be in this hobby at all.

One last comment for Raw, Berk may have felt compassion, but it should be clarified that he was NOT the one who was being generous or putting his money where his mouth was. It was his pal Sonny. This was just another in a long-line of white-knight bleeding heart posts by Berketta on the same theme of "Oh this poor ladies, are just human beings with feelings who should be treated with complete trust and compassion, yada yada yada." Its a tired old song. Most of us ALREADY understand that these women are just human beings with feelings and problems like anyone else and the relatively FEW around here who don't probably won't "get it" no matter what Berketta posts. So who is he trying to "educate"?

Of course, it usually takes some really great economic desperation to lead any chica to turn to a profession like this. Sometimes it is a result of their own irresponsiblity but often it is also due to forces beyond their control (e.g. lack of education, abuse as a minor, teen pregnancy, etc.). We can and should have some compassion on them and treat them with the respect due any fellow human being. Many are just trying to earn an honest buck by providing services for pay. Many others aren't adverse to making an extra buck by shortchanging us, playing on our emotions and compassion by misleading (scamming) us, or some even will outright steal.

So while can and should treat them with the respect and compassion, at the same time a healthy dose of skepticism or cynicism is certainly called for. One can treat them with compassion and respect without becoming a doormat that they can step all over, because if we don't there are many that WILL step all over us. They can sniff out pussywhipped gringos and when they do will take full advantage. If you want to talk about gringos respecting chicas, then we should also talk about chicas respecting gringos. And it is hard to respect anyone who acts like a doormat (and freely giving them Cien por Nada makes us look like doormats or at least like walking wallets). OTOH, any gringo who learns how to balance the sensitivity of being a gringo, with the assertiveness, confidence and firmness of being a "hombre verdadero", will EARN the true respect of the chicas.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:11 pm 
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In 2007, one of the SL girls mother was in a car wreck, had cancer and died twice all in a three mmonth period. :twisted:

Several girls including one semi-famous ex receptionsist had her tuition paid three times for one semester. :?

In all seriousness, I think there is a happy medium between cold-hearted and Capt Savaho. Almost all of them have real problems of some sort. Treat them respectfully, pay what you say and if you wish to give or do more do it with the understanding that it might not work out like you wish.

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The day that I start making $60 - $100 per hour, I will start helping chicas. In the meantime, I will appreciate any of them helping me. 8)


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The point here is being missed by almost everyone. It does not matter what the motivations of either player is but what is the result.

Science has proven that any time we do something nice for someone brain chemicals are released that give us a sense of well being. The thing is not only does the person that received the kindness have an increased sense of well being but so does the person that extended the kindness. Furthermore, anyone that was witness to the kindness also feels the sense of increased well being. So the simple act of kindness carries with it effects that extend well beyond the monger and the first timer. We have no idea to the extent that kindness could have or was felt. We have no idea how many people could have seen this act. Nor do we know how many people read it and in turn did something kind for someone else.

It may be this young woman went home early that night, got up early and prepared a great breakfast for her ch*ld, that may have otherwise not happened. That ch**d may have then went to school and actually learned something rather than listening to the rumblings of his or her stomach. We will never know. We do know that a simple act of kindness acts as a ripple upon the water, spreading out in every direction with the full effects rarely known. I say be kind to someone...You never know what the effects will be.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:36 pm 
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Bktuna wrote:
In 2007, one of the SL girls mother was in a car wreck, had cancer and died twice all in a three mmonth period. :twisted:


Zombie putas in Costa Rica :o

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Lol,

One guy who gave up on CR paid one of the hospital bill and for the funeral. He did not however visit the mom in either location. We were sitting around bullshitting when he mentioned that his ´´novia´ could not be there all week because of the mom´s death. There were three people at the table that remembered the prior death. :roll:

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Regardless of the eventual outcome I applaud the act of kindness. We don't have to always be right or always get a reward when doing something we feel is right at the moment. Did it change her life? Probably not, but maybe. If it gave her one more chance to do something else then it was a good thing.

We can't be responsible for the actions of others, just ourselves. Berk, if you and your friend felt it was the right thing to do at the time then it was the right thing to do. Nobody has to agree with you, it was your $50 to do with as you pleased (plus your buddy's $50). Good on you. :wink:

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Thirdworld wrote:
The day that I start making $60 - $100 per hour, I will start helping chicas. In the meantime, I will appreciate any of them helping me. 8)


Not to be overly offensive...Perhaps just offensive enough...Try sucking the c*ck of a fat, sweaty, bald guy that is old enough to be your father if not grandfather. Maybe then the $60 - $100 per hour won't seem like all that much!

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I had to think about it a bit, but I guess it is also that I have never kept up with chicas that had a problem with money. The look that I like can go out and get their money anytime they need it. The drunken, less than stellar pickups I have made, I never exchanged info. So, I would have to stand corrected, and say that probably I am not qualified on this subject by my experiences.


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KenLee wrote:
Not to be overly offensive...Perhaps just offensive enough...Try sucking the c*ck of a fat, sweaty, bald guy that is old enough to be your father if not grandfather. Maybe then the $60 - $100 per hour won't seem like all that much!

Just MHO, YMMV

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I agree with you that $60-$80 do not seem like a lot of money but on this case, she did not do anything to earn that money. The gringo was just giving money away. And that is the jest of the discussion. We complain about mongers paying cien, this gringo went beyond that.

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Josie,

That's just the thing...I never flame anyone for paying cien. Personally, I don't care what someone else pays. I assume it is there money and they can do whatever the hell they want with it. If I post about not paying cien I say don't do it for a single pop or one hour. Turn that hour into 2 or 3 and make it a party.

In this particu0lar case I was responding to Thirdworld who said "when he started making $60 - $100 hour" he would start helping chicas.

What I seem to see a lot on this board is the belief that all or a majority of these women choose to be in this line of work over a great many options that are available to them. First, there just aren't that many options. Second, while I know some do choose it, virtually, all of South and Central America is Catholic and for the most part fairly conservative at the core when it comes to sex. Most do not come into this line of work without at least some feelings of guilt. I can not help but believe that given the opportunity to work in an office making a live-able wage that the HDR, SL and every other place in town would be extremely slow by compared today's numbers. Desperation breeds desperate measures.

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Maybe your good friend can go back and stand vigilance at the door of the Del Rey . He can make sure only hardened pros get in and no CRT guys that left their homes and paid to fly to Costa Rica will have a chance to meet semi-pro girls. Thanks Alot.

Aren't you the two clowns that posted a while back advising us that all chicas are someone's daughter ? !

This is CRT not Unicef. We had enough people in the USA cock-blocking so we came here.

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Ken - I do not think anybody on this board will argue those points. The discussion is about giving money away to a chica without her ever doing anything. At least when she sends a RFM, she takes the time to logon and send an email.

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Icantstayaway wrote:
Aren't you the two clowns that posted a while back advising us that all chicas are someone's daughter ? !


See.......... I can't imagine f'ing this guy for even $1,000 and hour. What shit attitude.

As for the daughter post... I don't think so but if I did.... I was right.


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I think its hilarious for anybody to tell someone how to spend their money. We say don't honor RFM's due in part because we try and help those who we percieve as getting played. And rightfully so, since its usually the case.

But ANYTHING done in person, random acts of kindness etc.. is up to you.

Shit, I'll give a guy a $20 who's a bum and I know he will spend it on booze. I don't giveafuck, he's got a tough enough life regardless of reason why. I'm not here to lecture, "here man, go get some mad dog 20/20"..

If you are susceptiple to being taken advantage of by women, there's nothing I can ever say to change that...
I would work on the perception chicas have of you. These girls have manners, they know who they can pull shit on and who they can't, period.. :|

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