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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:17 am 
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Anyone get this email?

"Vigilante Group in Costa Rica Praying for Peace and Doing What it Takes" From Williams

I didn’t open it but I googled “Vigilante Group in Costa Rica” and came up with this.

“Moving To and Living In Costa Rica. The Dangers and Pitfalls.
The Truth finally Told” http://www.geocities.com/a57ngel/py/costa-rica.html


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:26 am 
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Interesting article.....seems to know what he's talking about; basically the same things we talk about everyday on CRT.

No, I wasn't sent the email from the group. I wonder what criteria they use to target the potential email recipients. :?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:06 am 
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That is interesting and the first I've heard of the toxic metals, stomach cancer and parasite epidemics. :? Hard to argue with the rest of it however I followed the links back to the home page and the author apparently moved on to Paraguay (where he failed) but still has real estate interests and not one bad thing to say about that country.

http://www.geocities.com/a57ngel/py/about.html

http://www.geocities.com/a57ngel/py/index.html

I don't see what any of this has to do with a vigilante group though, why didn't you open the email?

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I opened the links to the articles about Paraguay; good reading and photos...the women look good. I wonder what the availability for women is in Paraguay? It seems to be a country "off the radar;" we don't hear much about it. :? May be worth some further investigation.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:44 am 
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I say we sign this guy up for the "Costa Rica Sucks" club.

I know that his last paragraph is a fairly elaborate disclaimer that he isn't bigoted, but it is obvious that he has some bigotry running through his thinking.

Furthermore, he gives few credible sources regarding pollution and parasites. The bit about theft and corruption is however, spot on (in my limited experience).

Interesting. Thanks for posting the link.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:16 pm 
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I say we sign this guy up for the "Costa Rica Sucks" club.

I know that his last paragraph is a fairly elaborate disclaimer that he isn't bigoted, but it is obvious that he has some bigotry running through his thinking.

Furthermore, he gives few credible sources regarding pollution and parasites. The bit about theft and corruption is however, spot on (in my limited experience).

Interesting. Thanks for posting the link.

I respectfully disagree I didnt see any bigotry at all, he is just raining on the country in general. Much of what he writes rings true...thats why I visit CR but would find it difficult to live there. "Great place to visit"
After 11 years of traveling to CR and more than a year probably staying their if I add up all the trips I have to agree with 90% of what he is saying. And man do I hate the bugs there especially if you go outside the city.
The pesticides is news to me...HOWEVER this one girl I dated for three months had every family member dying of stomach cancer young one even had it in their twenties and I saw all these sick people not third hand and they lived well outside the city... I said must be genetic or something then She would say NO no ...we have enormous pollution here even outside the city (now I understand that her definition of pollution included pesticides etc) I thought that all of this was odd and then I read this. Also her brother had a parasite for two years that stunted his growth and nearly killed him so again I have witnessed about 90% of what this guy is biotching about.


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As I close in on retirement age, I love hearing from people actually living in various countries and giving info, of course everyone has their own view of things.

If the info is presented clearly at least you can get a feel for how you might like a given place. Or specific things in that location. Sorting thru another's opinions is of course an art form....you can only come so close to what reality will be for you.

I appreciate all reasonable commentary though. He is obviously in favor of Paraguay and quite down on CR but I learned things about Para that are not particularly easy to find & quite of bit of his comments on CR hit home.


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I am not going to get into a discussion on pros and cons of living in Costa Rica as I have lived here for almost 6 years so my take is obvious.

I do have a few observations to make about what Michael has written. Reading many of his comments indicate his article was written many years ago or he is prejudiced or he simply is totally uninformed and has made statements that are not true. Some examples:

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Since there's so much sex tourism in Costa Rica most latinos automatically think you've come there just for cheap sex. So none of the middle or upper class latinos want much to do with you. Even though you can convince them you're not a sex tourist, they still don't want to associate with you for fear of what their friends might think. And the poor latinos will associate with you just to take advantage of you financially. Generally I found living there very lonely.


I have not found that to be true. If you spend your entire time in the gulch you might not meet many Ticos who want anything to do with you. If get out into the suburbs shop in the local Tico markets, eat in the local sodas and have a drink in the local bar you will find a warm reception. The only way, IMO, to be lonely here is to lack any social graces or be a complete loner.

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Like many different types of indians these Costa Rica people are very in-the-moment and don't (or can't) think about future situations that their present actions cause. They are also dull-witted and incompetent.


As most here are aware of the indigenous population is very small and is almost totally confined to remote areas. To classify Ticos as one of different type of Indians is ignorant at best. The last sentence of his quote is obviously prejudicial.

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Import taxes here are 100%. Yes I said 100%, which means that all imported goods cost twice as much in Costa Rica as in the USA. A VCR that costs $120 in the States will cost $240 here. And anything you have shipped to you has to be taxed which is almost never less than $100.


A VCR does not even appear on the customs duty list so it must be lumped under a catch all category. There is not a single item on that list that carries a 100% duty rate. A DVD recorder, the closest thing I could find to a VCR, has a duty rate of 13%. Last year I imported a desktop computer with a 22" flat screen monitor. I paid zero duty.

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Rich gringos move here and then everytime you talk to them they do what I'm doing here which is only complain. My landlord, who is an isolated positive thinker, is the only gringo I've talked to who says he likes it here.


That is obviously a generalization and most likely not true. To live here two and half years and find only one gringo who says they like living in Costa Rica? That defies the imagination and clearly show a prejudicial side to his article. Most of the gringos I know who live here full time have a common mantra "I am never going back to live in the states"

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Yes you can be connected to the internet down here but it's hard to get 'on-line' and you pay both for on-line time and telephone time. (Even local calls are billed.) My monthly bill from RACSA (the government monopoly supplier of internet connections in Costa Rica) is $35. And connection speed is so slow some web sites are useless to you.


Almost all of the Central Valley, where he indicated he lived, has access to broadband internet. Dial up is almost totally restricted to rural areas or used by those who do not have much need for internet service and prefer to pay for only the few minutes they need or want to use.

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The evil pesticide companies in the USA sell outlawed pesticides at a low price to the farmers here. They are outlawed in the USA because they are highly toxic to humans also and cause cancer. But the farmers here buy it because it's cheaper. They don't care if you get DDT poisoning. I've eaten vegetables here that caused an immediate reaction in my throat because they had so much pesticides on them. It seems the farmers spray too heavily or too frequently. Costa Ricans are typically very immature in their thinking and do things you'd only think Ch*ldren would be capable of. A friend of mine knows two people who returned from Costa Rica after just a few months with pesticide poisoning from eating the food here.


While there are isolated incidents of misuse of pesticides in the past they were most often used on the banana and pineapple plantation and presented a hazard to the workers not the general population. The average life span if a Costa Rican exceeds that of the the average resident of the U.S.

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And then there's San Jose, the most polluted city I have ever seen. Old buses and cars with all pollution controls taken off are continuously spewing out tons of dark exhaust fumes. I try to never go there but there are many essentials which are only available in San Jose. If you like to wait a lot then you'll enjoy driving in San Jose, Costa Rica. Traffic jams galore and believe it or not there is no main highway loop around the city.


This particular section really makes me wonder what year this was written. Yes San Jose has a pollution problem but is vastly improved from a few years ago. Old buses are almost non existent and the implementation of the yearly vehicle inspection (Ritieve), with its stringent testing of exhaust emissions, as put an end to removing polution control devices if in fact that was ever done in a more then isolated incident. The circumvalcion is a ring hwy that loops around about 80% of San Jose.

Obviously living full time in any foreign country is not for everyone. There are adjustments you have to make and perhaps coming from a first world country to a third world one requires a lot of adjustment. Not everyone can do it. The only way to find out is to read opinions like Michael's, opinions by those who take the opposite stance and then give it a trial run.

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Good stuff Irish!

A great thing about this board is that if someone posts b.s. or a view that can't be backed up...someone will chime in & let the rest of us know it!!

Only been a tourist, glad to hear:
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The only way, IMO, to be lonely here is to lack any social graces or be a complete loner.


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My landlord, who is an isolated positive thinker, is the only gringo I've talked to who says he likes it here.


I knew the quote above was wrong before ID pointed it out, cause I've met at least a dozen gringos living there during my trips that said it was great!

I think as ID says...the post is based on the past because obviously he has been in Para for awhile. The long Tico lifespan is basically undisputed.

Still like to hear all viewpoints though...

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The guy might be a litter bitter and seems like a glass half empty type of person. One man's trash is another one's treasure. Needs to keep those Rose colored glasses handy.


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Brother ID's last paragraph absolutely nailed it. The only way to live anywhere is to move there for a minimum of 6 months, and live as if you are committed before committing to permancy. If were to take a notion to move to rural Kentucky or downtown Butte, Montana or an over-55 community 2 miles from my house, I would do this. I certainly would if I was thinking of moving to any other country. But people continue to fool themselves as to what the experience will be based on limited, faulty data.
Question to the Brothers who are residents in CR--How much research did you do beforehand and, despite your research, what surprised you the most? Positive OR negative?>>This is honest inquiry, not some ball-busting query>>This probably deserves its own Thread.

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There are stages of adjustment that people go through when they expatriate themselves to a foreign country.
I lived in Japan for four years and went through the stages and saw others go through them too.
At first , you are excited and everything is new and great. That period lasts for 6 months to a year. Then negativity usually sets in and the expatriate becomes bitter. Most people get through this stage, some never enter it and some, unfortunately, never get past this negative stage.
I experienced it for a few months but I had other western friends there who never moved past that negative phase. I alwasy asked them " Why dont' you just go home?"
There is a great story in buddhism about a mangy flea ridden dog that moves from place to place hoping for some relief from his itchy condition. But no matter where he moves, he cant stop the itch. The problem is within the dog not the location he visits.
Point is happy positive folks will be happy and positive wherever they go and whiney complainers will always be whiney complainers.

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