Another Airbus Crash

Irish Drifter · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:42 pm

Nhhank wrote:

AA is flying the 757 from Miami for the slow season
In the winter it is an Airbus as of now???

I checked for a flight in January and a flight in February and their web site shows 2 flight daily using 757 equipment and 1 flight using 767 equipment.

Use to really enjoy that run when they were using an A300. However I have never flown on a 767 so I might find that very enjoyable also. Unfortunately my next trip on AA has 3 757 legs and 1 MD80.

JazzboCR · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:25 pm

Just don't plan to fly on a 787 Dreamliner anytime soon--they pushed back the delivery dates another 6 months or so...

HunterS · **Posted:** Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:14 pm

Irish Drifter wrote:

Californicationdude wrote:

However Boeing still outnumbers Airbus in terms of aircraft in service by almost 6 to 1.

Not surprising seeing how the first Airbus was delivered in 1979 and Boeing has been building jetliners since 1955. Airlines are naturally reluctant to commit big orders for a new company so it took awhile for Airbus to prove itself and get rolling. As you correctly pointed out Airbus has closed the gap and now competes on basically a level playing field.

As interesting as all that trivia is none of it addresses the relative safety of different manufactures, different models, different airlines and their degree of training and professionalism of pilots, maintenance staff, operations department, etc. I am very comfortable flying in an airliner made by Airbus, Boeing and even the few Mc Donald Douglas birds still around.

I worked for an airline that, in it's history, flew everything from WWII surplus C-54's to B747's and never had a fatal accident. Training and professionalism had a lot more to do with that record then aircraft manufacturers.

True ID I agree the most important factor is training and professional maintanence...but I still personally feel more comfortable in a boeing thats just me.....when I think of airbus I get an image of an french engineer smoking his cigarette and saying...yes but no but maybe and then taking a wine break and then a 8 week summer break and then coming back to the plane and saying "hmmm problems here..yes but no but maybe" hmmm fuckkkkit its a US client... ship it now".. "Im going for a smoke break... blame it on the british if there are problems mon ami". [code][/code]
When I think of boeing I think of some smart hard working guy who is trapped inside working all day due to the cold and rain... and doesnt want to go home early due to his fat fugly wife being at home...however for some strange reason he takes lots of trips to RIO and says damn Im riding these planes every month they better be safe :shock:

And oddly this engineer comes back from his 4 day rio trip flush and well exercised and full of energy and vigor figuring when he can hop on another boeing jet to RIO

Herman · **Posted:** Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:03 pm

My original post was meant to be a joke. It is an airport bumper sticker . I am a pilot and I will fly in anything . I had systems go out on jets but they were always backed up. I have only had one semi- total failure and that was on a Cessna-172 and was human error when the mechanic had not put the throttle cable on correctly and it came off in mid flight. The design is to go to 1800-2200 or so RPM . The minimum to maintain flight. It does not go to zero or to wide open. I had enough air under me to get back to the airport. Also the Cessna will fly but not climb when this happens with the use of flaps. The most dangerous thing about your trip if you go by statistics is on the way to or from the airport. Safe travel wishs to all. Uncle H.

Californicationdude · **Posted:** Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:36 pm

CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) â€” A Southwest Airlines 737 aircraft made an emergency landing in West Virginia after the passenger cabin became depressurized after a hole appeared in the fuselage.

Local Airport Authority spokesman Brian Belcher says passengers on Flight 2294 could see the outside through the 1-foot-by-1-foot hole in the rear of the plane.

The flight was diverted to Charleston's Yeager Airport and landed shortly after 6:30 p.m. Monday. Belcher says the plane, which originated in Nashville and was headed to Baltimore, landed without incident and no one was injured.

Officials are investigating what might have caused the damage

Pacifica55 · **Posted:** Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:54 pm

Boeing, they just keep flying!

JazzboCR · **Posted:** Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:55 pm

OK, not to be snippy here but this was a BOEING plane with a problem and it landed safely if disconcertingly. What would be the probable outcome if it had been an equivalent AIRBUS aircraft? Youth wants to know...

Pacifica55 · **Posted:** Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:03 pm

JazzboCR wrote:

OK, not to be snippy here but this was a BOEING plane with a problem and it landed safely if disconcertingly. What would be the probable outcome if it had been an equivalent AIRBUS aircraft? Youth wants to know...

Aluminum confetti con carne. Parts is parts! :shock:

Irish Drifter · **Posted:** Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:49 pm

JazzboCR wrote:

OK, not to be snippy here but this was a BOEING plane with a problem and it landed safely if disconcertingly. What would be the probable outcome if it had been an equivalent AIRBUS aircraft? Youth wants to know...

Perhaps there would never been a 1'x1' hole in the fuselage if it had been an Airbus. Why deal with conjecture?

There will always be people on both side of the question when it comes to the relative merits of competing aircraft manufacturers. I remember when the debate was between B707's and DC 8's. Proponents with valid points on both sides of the question and they were dealing with 2 American companies. Now we have a U.S. company and a European company so national pride has to be thrown into the equation.

I know we have a professional pilot who has weighed in with his "expert" opinion but I submit he is as just as much a person of prejudice in his selection as anyone else.

PS: The diesel eight was far superior :lol:

Californicationdude · **Posted:** Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:58 pm

i think i will now redirect the slurs and blame squarely where it belongs, i blame it on the fact they were flying over west virginia.

JazzboCR · **Posted:** Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:46 am

Brother C'dude--John Denver would slap you silly for that remark--but for the fact that he's dead...in a plane crash.

DiegoC · **Posted:** Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:42 pm

Be you right or wrong HunterS regarding your image of Jean-Pierre the engineer at Airbus as compared to an American engineer, I too have that image and will avoid flying on an Airbus if possible.

I am not anti-French (their wine is almost as good as California wine) nor anti-European, but feel better in a Boeing, the same company that made the B-17, B-29, B-52 and now makes the B-2 (what a plane) and the C-17. It may or may not be rational, it is just personal preference.

But I also donâ€™t care for the old Douglas aircraft used by AA, then again I donâ€™t care for AA. I do try to fly on a younger fleet and that is why it is almost exclusively on Continental.

Californicationdude, it seems Southwest has more of its share of incidents like the time the pilot overshot the runway at Burbank (CA) and drove onto a major thoroughfare. While SWA is convenient for short flights, I always feel I should be mooing as the herd of cattle boards the aircraft.

Californicationdude · **Posted:** Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:38 am

yeah, Southwest does have a lot of good deals. and you can get crowded.

i had to go back and look up that burbank accident.

now i remember it, lucky the gas station across the road was not exploded.

and speaking of coming in fast and steep, isn't the location of the charleston, wv airport famous for its limited approaches?

DiegoC · **Posted:** Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:36 pm

I don't know about Charleston, WV, but Sandy Eggo is an E-ticket ride.

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