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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:47 am 
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I see a lot of newer and smaller laptops being advertised for $250 or less.

my question is, what kind of Operating Systems are running on these models? what are their limitations?

some of them advertise built in cameras, so they must have internet connection capabilities.

any recomendations?

they are small and cheap enough to lug around and not worry to much about damage or theft.

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Do I dare said it? SEARCH! :P :P :P

https://costaricaticas.com/phpBB2/vi ... ht=netbook

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I still don't understand the differences or pro/cons of the different OS's

I see Linux, XP, Chrome and Window7 all mentioned.

If the purpose is to just be able to surf the internet, would it not be OK to just go with the cheapest model/price?

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Yes and No. You never want to by a computer that only does that one thing that you needed for. My personal recommendation, Win XP, 2 gb ram, 160 gig HDD. Do a search on buy.com and some of the other computer stores like newegg.con and take your pick. I got two of them for the ease of portability.

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The small size (what the techies call "form factor") Brother C'dude is asking about is called the netbook computer. The link takes me only to the index so Search for netbooks. To answer specifically the questions asked: yes, they are primarily designed as portals for the Net and not general business or entertainment use, so smaller screens (up to 10.1") and limited memory and storage space--many have only Solid State Drives (SSD) instead of mechanical HD so they read and write much slower. The main OS's used are Linux and Windows XP (not enough horsepower for Vista though MS has promised a limited/ crippled version of Windows7 will run on them). For more, see the netbook Thread--it goes 7 pages or so and chock-full of hot poop, including recommendations on which one's are worthy, links to comparo sites, workarounds if you want to bring a lot of music or store the pix you take, etc. In general, they are all you need for travel and will fit in hotel in-room safes.

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I have the small Acer Aspire one and I love it very handy to go on the Morazan WIFI , airport internet, etc. and check flights , e-mail and play online Poker. Highly recommend. Bought in Ga. at Brandsmart for $ 248.00 pt. I have not tried it on the plane yet. Downside is battery only 2.5 hours or so. Comes with mouse, and home plug in. Get you one. I put a Belkin router on my home computer and carry the Acer out on the porch in den anywhere in the house. Uncle H.

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I have the small Acer Aspire one and I love it very handy to go on the Morazan WIFI , airport internet, etc. and check flights , e-mail and play online Poker. Highly recommend. Bought in Ga. at Brandsmart for $ 248.00 pt. I have not tried it on the plane yet. Downside is battery only 2.5 hours or so. Comes with mouse, and home plug in. Get you one. I put a Belkin router on my home computer and carry the Acer out on the porch in den anywhere in the house. Uncle H.

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I agree with Herman. I bought an Acer Aspire a few months ago. It's got the 10.1" screen, 2 gb memory, 160 gb hard drive, 6 cell battery which gives you close to 7-8 hours on one charge, built-in webcam, windows xp. I love it. Very small, but big enough for most of the things you need. Plenty of memory and hard disk space. I took it with me to SEA last month, and it was perfect. I used my Magic Jack phone on it, and it worked flawlessly. No problems surfing the net either.

IMO, it's not a good replacement for a normal notebook computer, but it's a great addition to having a notebook computer, and I'll probably never bring my full size laptop on a trip ever again.

You can find these types of netbooks anywhere for less than $300. I almost bought the Acer with the 8.9" screen, but it was worth the extra $20 for the 10.1" screen with the longer-life battery.

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I agree with Herman and MG. I also have the Acer Aspire One and love it. As MG said pay extra to get the version with the longer battery life (although it does make the netbook a little larger and heavier). No, it is NOT a substitute for the laptop you use at home or maybe bring back and forth between home and the office, but for purposes of travel to places like CR these types of computers are really the only practical choice for most users. They are small and light to pack and carry, fit easily into hotelroom safes, and do just about all the things most users would want to do with a computer on a trip - surf the web, send/check emails, watch movies, listen to music, play computer games, even do a little work. The keyboard size is not ideal for heavy duty typing and the lack of a seperate numpad is a drawback for us accountant types, but it is more than adequate for the light duty stuff you'll probably do while on vacation. The screensize is obviously not as nice as having a full-size 17", but it too is adequate enough (and sharp enough) to be able to enjoy watching movies and such on it (it will after all be just 2-3 in front of you anyway). And the 160gb storage capacity is more than large enough to store a TON of mp3 music files, dozens of movies, and quite a few programs (e.g. mine has the full MS Office Suite, and 2-3 games and it still has a lot of space to spare).

Depending on your interests you might want to add your own peripherals. For example, the speakers are a bit too tinny for music-listening but I bring earphones (which I can also use with my cell-phone/mp3 player) and it sounds fine with that. If you want to play music that you can listen to with someone else (such as a chica) you can either get dual earphones or pack small speakers to go with it. Also, the mousepad takes a little getting used to. Or at least I've gotten used to it. But, if that bothers you, you might want to bring a small mouse for that too. OTOH, since the netbook fits in your safe, you won't need any special laptop cable locks.

Naturally, like anything else, a netbook computer is a compromise solution. It won't have all the strengths of a desktop or even full-sized laptop solution, but IMHO the much more convenient size and weight for travel more than makes up for any trade-offs.


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Another nicety about netbooks is you can actually use them on the airplane--with the slim seat pitches (distance between seats) these days, forget about full-size laptops--just too cramped. Don't forget to mount a security suite first thing on your new box.

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There are lots of netbooks around. Choose what works for you. Personally I want one running a flavor of Linux, but that may not fit your needs. What do you use on your machine at home? That may be the most important thing you need to know for your netbook. I have no use for gatesware, but you may require it.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:17 am 
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Netbooks are small and light but they are limited. If you are trying to share files with your home computer make sure you get the one running Windows-XP. Other thought is you can get a nice 14" laptop for $350 now a days. They run circles around the little netbooks. Those little 8" to 10" screens are hard on my eyes.

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Netbooks are small and light but they are limited. ... you can get a nice 14" laptop for $350 now a days. They run circles around the little netbooks. Those little 8" to 10" screens are hard on my eyes.
Like I said:
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Naturally, like anything else, a netbook computer is a compromise solution. It won't have all the strengths of a desktop or even full-sized laptop solution, but IMHO the much more convenient size and weight for travel more than makes up for any trade-offs.
Naturally, YMMV. Everyone has their own priorities when if comes to which aspects are most important and what they are willing to trade-off. The primary appeal of netbooks is not that they cost so much less than full-sized laptops (though they ARE also somewhat cheaper). It is that they're so much smaller and lighter (easily less than half the size and weight).

Of course, that also means that they have smaller screens. Hey, it would be great if I could do all my computing on a 60" wall-mounted plasma screen but we all know that would be impossible to lug on our trips. YMMV, but I find with the incredibly sharp screen resolution factors available these days, I have no trouble at all being able to read the slightly smaller screens of a netbook. If anyone really thinks that would be a concern, I suggest they just take a serious look at one of these netbooks for themselves and would bet most guys, while they might prefer a larger screen won't have any trouble with the netbook screens either or at least won't mind that tradeoff so much when they consider the much greater portability for traveling. But, like I said, I'll concede that is something each person will need to assess for themselves rather than based just on what Worldref or I say.

Where I'll dispute what Worldref just wrote more is his statement that the full-sized laptops run circles around the little netbooks. That is simply NOT true. Today's processor speeds have vastly surpassed the computing needs of most programs in use today. Unless you're running something like a heavy duty engineering CAD program or computing Shuttle re-entry flight paths for NASA or something, you don't really need anything faster than a 1.6GHz processor. For most of things the typical guy would ever want to do while traveling to CR (e.g. going on-line, playing movies, music and most games, or perhaps running basic app programs like Word or Excel) the difference in performance vs. a higher speed processor will be NEGLIGIBLE, particularly when you consider the much smaller size and weight of the device.

Where you MIGHT have performance issues is in terms of the minimal RAM you sometimes get with netbooks. If you get a device with just 512MB of RAM AND you try to run the newer Windows Vista OS on it, you're going to get sluggish performance regardless of whether you're using a netbook or a full-sized laptop. Fortunately, these netbooks ARE available with a full 1GB of RAM and, again, that is nearly always enough for most of us for the types of programs we typically run. Even if you don't have the 1GB of RAM, 512MB is still enough to run Linux or the older Windows XP OS (which is why some people actually prefer the older OS and wish MS just left things well enough alone). Of course, more RAM is usually better, but even there you reach a point where it becomes overkill, just as it does with these newer high speed CPU's.

RAM, CPU speed, computing performance, even HD size? I'm sorry I just don't see those as valid issues with these netbooks for anyone but the most demanding hard-core computer users. OTOH, smaller screen size, smaller keyboard and lack of a CD/DVD player (unless you get a seperate USB peripheral) are certainly more valid issues for SOME people, but those are understandably the necessary trade-offs of such a much smaller and lighter machine. Personally, I think those trade-offs are well worth it, not so much (or at all) for home use, but certainly for lugging with me on international trips. Of course, YMMV.


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The smaller screen size becomes less of an issue IF you have the correct ports (HDMI and the other alphabet gobbledygook) AND you bring the correct cabling AND that 60" plasma screen Brother Prolijo spoke of has the correct inputs. Bottom line: a netbook like any other computer or computer-like device is only an engine--all manner of peripherals can be hung off of it. You could conceivably use a netbook to power Marshall stacks and blow the house down with sound, for instance--you'd need an inline power amplifier but the tunes and the pre-amp would be in the compute-pute. He was also dead-on that unless you were doing something that took intense horsepower (online gaming is the most usual example, but deciphering and parsing the Federal budget might be another), an Intel Atom 270 is as much as you'd need. This processor found now in the most mundane computer, has more processing capability than an IBM 360 from the mid-1960's--and we use it for YouTube downloads.

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Prolijo wrote:
Where I'll dispute what Worldref just wrote more is his statement that the full-sized laptops run circles around the little netbooks. That is simply NOT true. Today's processor speeds have vastly surpassed the computing needs of most programs in use today. Unless you're running something like a heavy duty engineering CAD program or computing Shuttle re-entry flight paths for NASA or something, you don't really need anything faster than a 1.6GHz processor. For most of things the typical guy would ever want to do while traveling to CR (e.g. going on-line, playing movies, music and most games, or perhaps running basic app programs like Word or Excel) the difference in performance vs. a higher speed processor will be NEGLIGIBLE, particularly when you consider the much smaller size and weight of the device.


Be careful here. You are starting to sound like Bill Gates and the 64k memory limit. I think on this one you went a little overboard. There are some major differences between the netbook and a full size laptop. You obviously listed the most obvious ones but there is a major difference in CPU and bus speed of the netbook versus a laptop. The Atom n270 CPU is designed for its small footprint, low voltage usage and small heat signature. While a decent CPU to do the basics tasks of a user it is not a workhorse by any means. Just about every regular laptop CPU excluding the Celeron but including the AMD brand will run circles around it.

Now if you are just buying the netbook for CR travel only, then I would agree that is a better choice. Otherwise, I disagree on the point. Why lock yourself into a max out CPU already when a whole new OS is coming and from my testing I would said is going to be a winner. Also, you might just want to run a VMware image to play around with bittorrents. Try that on a netbook. To me my two netbooks provide me portability at a very low price and I think that should be the final decision when you buy it. Any other option would be trumped by a laptop.

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