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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:39 pm 
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how trips per year, total, from members of this board, are made to CR.

some members of course make more than one trip a year and so could count for more than one visit.

what would be a good estimate?

1000 individual trips?

2000?

less than that?

more?

I ask because there is an article in the CR english paper saying true tourist visits to CR are about 200,000 per year from north america, europe and asia.

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true, the percentage of monger visits is dwarfed by the total number of tourist visits.

perhaps an easier way would be to estimate the number of rooms at such places as the SL, the DR, HHR and other almost 100% monger hotels, add in another percentage of the rooms at other Gulch/nearby hotels and use a multiplier to estimate the total number of individual visits by mongers at least to the Gulch/San Jose.

as an example, lets just say you figured 125 rooms at 80% occupancy year round average for 100 rooms at 100% occupancy.

then, if you figured lets say each room was used for 5 days each time, average, then you would come up with a multiplier of around 75.

this would calculate to around 7500 individual visits each year to the Gulch by mongers.

is the hypothetical math correct?

this would give a percentage of less than 4% in relation to the 200,000 figure mentioned in the newspaper article.

then if you used an amount of lets say 500 dollars spent per visit, net and average, on little darlings....you would come up with a figure of over 3.5 million directly deposited into the pockets of the little darlings of San Jose each year.

I'm not debating the mediocrity or otherwise of the little darlings, or even what is good for upset stomachs, or the alleged napkin shortages, etc....

i'm just wondering what a good estimate would be on the number of monger visits and the potential economic impact.

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dude, hahahahaha


but go ahead, what do you think?

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Californicationdude wrote:
I ask because there is an article in the CR english paper saying true tourist visits to CR are about 200,000 per year from north america, europe and asia.
What do you (or they) mean by "true" tourist visits. Isn't the number more like 2,000,000? :?

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Californicationdude wrote:
I ask because there is an article in the CR english paper saying true tourist visits to CR are about 200,000 per year from north america, europe and asia.
What do you (or they) mean by "true" tourist visits. Isn't the number more like 2,000,000? :?


The figure is neither 2,000,000 or 200,000. This is an excerpt from the full article:

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Of critical importance for those in the tourism business are up-to-date statistics broken down by country of origin. Although the tourism institute talks about 2 million visitors, the bulk are Nicaraguans and residents from other Latin countries who are not the free-spending types resort owners seek. In fact, every time an expat perpetual tourist enters the country, and most do so four times a year, the arrival is chalked up as another tourist. The best estimate of true tourists from the United States, Canada, Europe and Asia is about 200,000 for the year.


The total number is 2 million but the number that are free spending tourists is estimated at 200.000 after discarding perpetual tourists, Nicas and others from Latin American countries who according to the article are not free spending. I'm not sure of the validity of that when it lumps all Latin American visitors as "not free spending" and many "perpetual tourists are free spenders. The entire number is fraught with conjecture and little solid evidence.

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Good topic for discussion, even if no conclusions are reached. Let's look again at those figures next year when our number drops only incrementally, whilst the number of other-type tourists drops off the table (remember the Big Recession is hurting Europe even worse than the US) and even the number of Nicaraguan "visitors" is lessened in an attempt to keep jobs here in Tico hands. Anybody on the ground heard anything about Immigration sweeps of Nicas, Dominicans or Colombians?--because sure as shootin' if CR enters a deep recession it, it will happen. Stands to reason. Damn shame if Ticos have to get their hands dirty but there you go...That statement is not anti-Tico, but they function it's been observed, in a supervisory role while the immigrants do the grunt labor.

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i'm still trying to figure out how many usa airline arrivals a day the san jose airport has.

the airport website show about 15 arrivals from usa carriers today out of a total of about 50 including all foreign airlines.

if that represents a true daily average year round, and each flight carried only half a dozen mongers, then about 100 mongers a day arrive in CR.

i guess an average of 100 would also depart on the return flights (although todays date on the airport website seems to show more return flights than arrival flights)

using these hypothetical figures, it would suggest a minimum of 100 mongers arriving in San Jose each day, probably with the vast majority staying in the San Jose/Gulch area.

if one were to use monger hotel rooms and a average occupancy rate, the estimated number of visiting mongers could be much higher.

so what would be a good estimate?

100?

200?

more?

less?

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In dec. 2007, I was looking for some rooms for some friends. The Presidente,HDR,Morazon,Sleep Inn, SL, LaAmistad were all full. However the Gran Hotel(although very nice and reasonably priced) had only 50% occupancy because of the no chica rule.


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What is the point of this mental masturbatory exercise?

1. No hard data is available; every number posted so far is based either on conjecture or incomplete/inaccurate sampling.

1a. The sampling is inaccurate because many mongers do not disclose their reasons for travel.

2. Not all monger-friendly rooms are rented to mongers. For example, one still encounters eco-tourists at the Amistad, the Presidente's monger guest list *seems* to be shrinking, etc.

3. While one can argue that mongers have an impact on the overall tourism earnings of C.R., it is nearly impossible to quantify how much of an impact mongering actually makes.

4. While CRT has thousands of members, the vast majority are lurkers/one-time visitors/trolls. Furthermore, CRT seems to represent only a small fraction of mongers. I base this on anecdotal, not empirical or statistical information.

Again, in the absence of solid numerical data, this thread amounts to bullsh*t speculation and intellectual onanism. :roll: C-dude, you really need to find something more important/rewarding to do.

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no, i would argue it is a suitable subject.

the newspaper article from yesterdays edition even made reference to the " elephant in the living room" as far as the monger influence or share of the tourism market.

certainly as important as discourse on upset stomach remdies!

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What is the point of this mental masturbatory exercise?

1. No hard data is available; every number posted so far is based either on conjecture or incomplete/inaccurate sampling.

1a. The sampling is inaccurate because many mongers do not disclose their reasons for travel.

2. Not all monger-friendly rooms are rented to mongers. For example, one still encounters eco-tourists at the Amistad, the Presidente's monger guest list *seems* to be shrinking, etc.

3. While one can argue that mongers have an impact on the overall tourism earnings of C.R., it is nearly impossible to quantify how much of an impact mongering actually makes.

4. While CRT has thousands of members, the vast majority are lurkers/one-time visitors/trolls. Furthermore, CRT seems to represent only a small fraction of mongers. I base this on anecdotal, not empirical or statistical information.

Again, in the absence of solid numerical data, this thread amounts to bullsh*t speculation and intellectual onanism. :roll: C-dude, you really need to find something more important/rewarding to do.
Sounds like you need a trip to CR. Sit back and have a drink watch Rescue Me and take a deep breath. More than half of the post on CRT go nowhere, but they are open for opinions from other CRT fellows even if all they care about is a postcount or just babbling along.

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Not the arguing type and have no hard data whatsoever but do realize most threads ARE LIKE THIS and I enjoy hypothesizing about such things, People just have to be right about shit whats wrong with thinking our money is worth as much as others. I haven't nearly as many trips as the newest of many but spend easily 3000/5000 grand a trip. do the back eco types staying at hostels spend as much per person as us?

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No the eco-backpack tourist does not usually spend as much money per day (but usually stays much longer). THE tourists that spend the mega bucks (and are a big portion of the tourist business) are the fishermen.

It is estimated that the number of tourists coming here is 2-3 million a year. If you estimate that 1000 mongers visit here per week (a very high figure based on what I see and on the # of hotel rooms available in the gulch area) and use the lower figure (2 million) then mongers account for a great big whooping 2.5 % of the total #. If you estimate that we spend twice as much per day as the other tourists (not likely) then it would be 5% of the total dollars. WOW!! we are really an important part of the business :roll: :? :wink: . Add to that the fact that 1/2 or more of what the monger spends goes to the chicas, and the fact that well over 50% of the chicas are from other countries and that they send most of what the get home (out of CR). ANY WAY YOU FIGURE IT WE ACCOUNT FOR LESS THAN 5% OF THE TOTAL TOURIST $$$ COMING INTO AND STAYING IN THIS COUNTRY :!: :idea: IMHO

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