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I have to disagree with this part. I would say that there are at least as many clueless mongers as there are heartless providers. I believe one may cause the other but who knows which came first.
That is true IN GENERAL, however if you look at the context in which I was speaking you'll see I was really mainly referring to the posters IN THIS THREAD. If you look back, you'll see El C was responding to OldQDog and OldQDog was responding mostly to DexterRICH who indeed IS very mixed up in the head and may in fact be representative of a large number of those clueless mongers that you're speaking of, just NOT representative, IMHO, of the many sensible and respectful mongers who have contributed thus far to this thread.

One is far more likely to hear stories like the one above about a monger handing a chica some money expecting NOTHING in return...than one is to hear about a chica providing a monger with a genuine freebie... So who is really dehumanizing and using the other more here?

The factor you pretty obviously overlooked is that mongers are quick to post when they have done a good thing for a chica and never post when a chica does something good for them. I know of many instances of girls throwing in a true freebie or doing other things just because it was the right thing to do. Guys don't post about getting it for free because of the instant derision they can expect in large helpings from those many who can't believe that such a thing is possible. Why would a guy who is catching the occasional freebie post about it here? To do so, one must have a wide masochistic streak!
I'm not so sure at all that is true. Guys LOVE to boast about the freebies (or heavily discounted sessions) that they have gotten (or think they have gotten). and the fact that some guys may not believe them is not going to stop them from seeking the admiration or jealousy of those that do. Just look back a few posts in this thread to the story Dean posted about a chica who essentially gave him a freebie (for which he freely chose to give her $50) in gratitude for him giving her $20 NSA. I readily believe that story. Actually, that is an example of it going both ways.

The key difference is, if you scratch below the service it is truly rare for a chica to give a monger a genuine freebie in the manner you suggest. And that is perfectly understandable and to be expected since we generally have more to give.

For example, I seriously doubt that there are many if any chicas that would give a freebie to some monger she just met just because she was feeling a little sorry for him (the way Dean gave that $20 to the chica without expecting anything in return). Maybe she'd do a session for a little less but she wouldn't just give him a free BJ and walk away. She'd still be getting something out of it that she wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

And throwing in a free session to make up for a session that somehow got messed up may be the "right thing to do" but it is not really a "freebie" BECAUSE it was the right thing to do and she really owed it to that monger. That is just an example of a chica exercising good business sense. Maybe she hopes that by doing the fair thing, more business will come back to her. It is giving something away when there is really no call for it that makes it a genuine freebie.

Finally, you "M-men/Novios" who get "freebies" seem to forget all the money you spent leading up to those freebies, extra propinas, gifts, rent & grocery money, etc. If they perform some extra service for you without formally charging, is it really a "freebie" or is it really more like a "tenth sandwich for free" promotion that you get with some fast food lunch businesses? The typical newbie who comes down to CR irregularly or infrequently will rarely if ever get the sorts of freebies that regular visitors to CR sometimes get with their favoritas.

The "reasonableness" is determined by the customer. If she finds some nimrod who pays the asking price then it was "reasonable". Some are paying what they are asking or they would ask less. Simple really.
This is absolutely true. The question is how often and how less often. There will always be some nimrods. In the past, there have been LOTS of nimrods paying ridiculous amounts. I'm not so sure how many of the chicas, other than the most aggressive Colombianas were often getting those amounts. It has long been speculated that for most chicas holding out for cien usually meant forgoing SEVERAL opportunities to work for less and come and go from the bar SEVERAL times in the time they held out for that big score. Often times for many girls that meant going home at the end of the night without having acheived any sessions at all. And that may have been just fine. Maybe they valued their self-esteem enough that they were just not willing to settle for less even if it meant sometimes going home with an empty pocket. As long as they made the score a few times a month, they made enough to make it worthwhile. The question I am raising is whether those elephant kills are becoming a lot less easy particularly for some of these 2nd or 3rd tier girls who still incredibly enough seem to stick more steadfastly than ever to that cien price.


Ahhhh, true feelings revealed. Painting with the wide roller brush I see...
When I said "I doubt most of us would put up with their vacuous uneducated conversation and telenovela style emotional drama if we weren't getting a "slice of their pie", I was referring to some of the common downsides of most of these chicas for most of us. I guess for you and a few others that loca chica emotional roller coaster thing is a real positive (particularly judging from what I've heard about your esposa), however for most of us its a real negative. That doesn't mean I don't think chicas also have other more admirable qualities even beyond their sexual appeal. But lets be honest, if you weren't being sexually satisfied by your chica, you wouldn't be with her and if you put a lock on your wallet and stopped paying her rent and other expenses, she wouldn't be with you. Does anyone here have a chica that they hang out with regularly, that they're just friends with (no sexo)? And that doesn't count the novias of their mongering buddies who they may hang out with as part of a group.

Nothing is more flexible than a girl's asking price. I speak from a unique vantage point in that I am with the same girl everyday and all her friends are actively working. I get to hear the chica's side when they are deciding who to "try" with and what they will ask. One of the "regulars" tried for $200 with a guy the other day. She usually asks $80-$100 but this was a young guy in the medical field on a first trip. She thought the odds were good that he would pay more because he had the money, was young and inexperienced and was obviously in party mode. He was well briefed and cracked the code in no time, getting her for a "reasonable" amount.
Yes, chicas asking prices are usually very flexible. You gave an example of a chica NOT being able to acheive the ridiculous amount she was looking for, which actually supports my contention that chicas are less able to get those high amounts now. It is also an example of a chica asking an amount during a bad economic time that would have been virtually unheard of just a year ago when times were much better, which further supports the points I've been making. The question being raised in this thread, or at least by me, is not about the traditional flexibility of chica pricing but the COMPARATIVE STIFFNESS in that pricing relative to times past. As flexible as it once was, one would expect it to be EVEN MORE flexible today given the current market. INSTEAD, while still open to some discounting, with many (though certainly not all) chicas there seems to be greater resistance to going down in price, not less.

You are using the "large world" view. They are using the "small pecker" view. She isn't interested in the CR economy or the US economy, she is interested in how much money she can get out of the pocket right next to this small pecker and the world market or the price of rice in china really have nothing to do with it.
Again, absolutely correct. Thirdworld said basically the same thing. What we're doing here is having a discussion between intelligent well-educated gringos who DO understand these market forces. I thought it went without saying but perhaps I should make it more clear. These ideas are all common sense to most of us, but I understand that chicas don't think so clearly. Without casting any aspersions on their basic intelligence, they don't have the advantage of the schooling we've all had and her main concern is the price she'll have to pay for rice at the market tomorrow (ie very short-term thinking)

Again, and with all due respect, you aren't getting it. The "asking price" is just that. It is in her best interest to make as much money per service as possible. If she says $80 and we jump on it then she feels that she left money on the table that she can never recover. If she asks $200 and you end up settling for $100 then she made $20 she wouldn't have had if she started at $100 and worked down. Guys who walk on the asking price are just too soft for the job, in her opinion. They can't negocio so they run.
Again, and with all due respect, YOU aren't getting it. I'm not a moron or a newbie. Of course, I understand that the "asking price" is just that. Of course, I understand that they're there to make as much money per service as possible. And, of course, I don't just "walk on the asking price" UNLESS she insults me with some way over the top amount (like the $150 offer made to Vegas Bob).

We've all come to expect "Cien" and normally can bargain that down. However, when they start at WAY over that, as happens more often these days, I don't even want to bother, not because I'm "just too soft for the job" but because I'd rather not even waste my time when there are still so many OTHER chicas that will START at a more reasonable (though still too high) amount. Let her try that with the dumb high roller newbies with more money than sense and good luck to her with that, but when they blindly try to pull that stunt with guys like Bob and others, you have to wonder what is becoming of the place.

And that's the point. By all means, go ahead and make a high offer, particular if its a monger they have a special reason to think they may go for it, just don't make it so far out of reason that they insult our intelligence. Its exactly the flip-side of what would happen if we went up to some chica and offered her $10 or $20. She'd walk in a heartbeat, which is exactly why I'll usually make that exact counter offer to blow them off if they start at OVER cien. By shooting for the moon, they can drive away potential business and then not only will they leave that $20 on the table, but the other $80 as well. And I bet that happens far more often to the "Over Cien" girls than do they actually succeed with their elephant hunting.

Again, the point I've been trying to make is that the ASKING price has been creeping up in many cases from even the standard CIEN amount that has dominated for so long AND at a time when the economy is in decline, there is less gringo money out there and more chicas competing over it. PLUS, while the asking price can still certainly be bargained down, there is much more resistance to getting it down to a more semi-reasonable amount. And its not just me. I'm as skilled or unskilled as I ever was at bargaining down, or probably MORE skilled than I was by virtue of experience, and yet I find it is taking more work to get the HDR chicas down to the $60-80 range than it was just a year ago (and forget about the $40-60 deals that other, I suppose more skilled or smooth negotiators claim to be able to get). Usually, I can still do it (at least to $70-80 if not $60), but a little less frequently than before. I'm sure being local or a more regular visitor with regular chicas that I see would help but my point is, all other things being equal (namely myself with my given negotiating ability), price flexibility is NOT as great as it once was.

They aren't selling a volume commodity. They aren't interested in three lays for $150. They would rather do one for $100. Why? Because they are selling a piece of themselves in every deal and the less they take the less their self worth unless there is something else in it for them (like they like the guy and he doesn't make them feel like a piece of meat just like every other piece of meat).

Hope I have solved this riddle for you.
No riddle solved since that is all an old song and dance that we've all heard many times before. How is ANY of that argument MORE true now than it ever was? Selling oneself for money is a compromise of principle at any time, BUT in times of economic desperation, such as we're having now, one would expect chicas to put a somewhat lower price on their principles. Maybe that guy they like and maybe that other guy they also like but not quite as much should be able to negotiate a lower rate than they might have before because the chica has less business and is in even greater need to put meat on her table. This thread is about sticky or even rising prices DURING a time of an extraordinarily competitive market. The issue we're discussing is why is this MORE SO NOW than it was BEFORE when every single strand of GRINGO common sense would suggest there should be some WEAKENING of chica price resolve rather than the opposite which is what we've been witnessing.

The del rey is capitalism at its best. an open market, no middlemen, fluid conditions with no quotas to buy or sale anything any party doesnt want . as a cutie who I have been low balling (but not balling) said "you can get a chica for $60 but if want a beautiful one its a hundred"

My two cents:

The reason many working girls raise their prices when things are slower is simple, and it has a sort of twisted logic to it.

They're getting less customers, so they try to get more money out of the customers they do manage to attract. And sometimes it actually works!

They complain business is slow because it takes them longer and more effort to make the same amount of money they used to make when things were better.

Economic theory means nothing to most of them, so don't expect them to act according to the tenets of supply and demand.

,... I think you guys are leaving out a lot of intangibles which can vary from minute to minute as well ( do they enjoy your company, are you more or less attractive, what time is it, how close to the end of the month is it, how tired are they, are they in a good mood or bad mood, are they drinkers, how long have they been working, etc etc, ad nauseum) all of which can affect the negotiation at any given time.

I tend to think that it's more situational economics than it is really trying to understand the overall economic implications. Chicas make stupid on the spot pricing decisions which cost them business. Mongers make stupid on the spot purchasing decisions that cost them money. The degree of experience you have limits the degree of loss you have on either side, and within those confines the prices stay pretty stable and reasonable (reasonable being a relative term).

ALL of the chicas are quoting CIEN, even the hogs.

thanks to all the old guys who want to impress the chica with their money for artificially driving up the price.

what's worse is that if you negotiate down the chica her performance will most likely suck. So you can thank all the rich old dudes who throw money around like they are in vegas for keeping the prices nice and high.

MDE here I come! no more 'cien' for me.

Prolijo, I would argue against your "general terms" categorization. I don't really think it applies. For one, the situation in the DR isn't a general situation, but a very specific, targeted local economy of its own. I would even venture to say that the DR is separate in its mechanisms even from other local venues, and is an individual and specific entity apart from the rest of the CR venues.

Secondly, I think there's a fallacy in your application towards the monger. It is certainly true that there are less mongers going there, but the ones that are going are still going with money they expect to spend on chicas, and are prepared to pay the price for it. Instead of a general downturn you get a micro version of big business management in an economic cycle. A kind of Del Rey Darwinism. The popular chicas are still going to be able to command their regular prices. What will happen is that the weaker and less desirable chicas will fall by the wayside, because they won't be able to sustain their business. The ones at the bottom will have to cut prices to try to get by on volume, which feeds the cycle of unhappiness, etc. The most desirable ones will still be the primary targets of the guys who brought their cash and are prepared to spend it. So, instead of saying in general terms I would say that it hits a specific portion of the DR economy at the low end. The top end chicas will continue to ask for and get their top prices, but perhaps less often, as the bargain hunters turn away from the high priced ones to grab the cheaper chicas, assuming the price gap becomes substantial enough. it could create a two class system that promotes cheap at the expense of service, or having to pay a premium for the good experience with a high class chica, much like what happens in the north american sex trade.

of course, that's only if it continues for an extended period of time, which may or may not happen, depending on whose crystal ball you peer into.

MDE here I come! no more 'cien' for me.