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Agree good post and readable. Valid points from a gringo mentality but we are dealing with chica logic and that throws many of our logical points out the window. There is a different chica train of though that I’m surprised nobody have mention. Many of them especially at the top tier of the chica hierarchy just relay in luck, that’s right luck, for their overall price structure. I have spoke to many ticas and colombianas to try to understand the concept but they believe that with some luck a gringo will come down the elevator and will offer them $400-$500 for a pop and guess what. It happens often enough that it is pat of their negotiations and price structure.

The problem with the above is how you deal with it at the gringo level and still get to the top tier pu*sy without going out of your budget. Or do you compromise and go for 2nd/3rd tier pu*sy? Maybe MP’s only? It is a balancing act that needs continuous fine-tuning and awareness to make it work for you. I agree that sweet-feelings and how we look at the chicas need to take a back seat to the realities of negotiations specially when negotiating with a chica that you have seen for the first time. They are an unknown quantity/quality not matter what anybody else tell you because YMMV.

Know thyself. From MY perpective I do not want to compromise. I want the best pu*sy at the HDR and I would assume most of you do. But unfortunately it takes work, study, patience, observation, and (making Cujo happy) a decent command of the Spanish language. And these are things that you have to master while you having a major hard on with willing pu*sy a few inches from your face. And the chicas know that these are some of the obtacles you need conquer to get to her sweet spot at a bargaining price. A daunting task for some of you but it is been done by many on an everyday basis.

So a thread about market prices and pu*sy availability should always be taken with a major grain of salt. Especially for newbies that will lack most of the above skills to make it work. Good luck, hone your skills and when in doubt back off. Our biggest bargaining chip on this game is the word “NEXT”.

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Prolijo, excellent post and points taken. However, I think it's been less about (your words) "Touchy-feely" than an overall conceptualization of the entireity of the transaction.

It should be taken as an accepted postulate that each of us will pay a different price based upon a variety of criteria. One's attractiveness, age, perceived sexual ability, ability to speak Spanish and other factors will and do certainly influence price. And yes, economic pressures also should affect the prices the girls charge.

Let's assume for a minute that for whatever reason, the girls are not adjusting their prices downward in the face of economic recession. If that's true, and the posts which stick to topic seem to reflect this, then what can get us lower prices while at the same time allowing us the best experience possible?

My point, without trying to be touchy-feely is that I believe the more we humanize the transaction and the more we treat the chicas with measured respect and caring, the better prices/performances we receive. Does anyone disagree?

Thanks again Prolijo. Erudite as always.

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They aren't selling a volume commodity. They aren't interested in three lays for $150. They would rather do one for $100. Why? Because they are selling a piece of themselves in every deal and the less they take the less their self worth unless there is something else in it for them (like they like the guy and he doesn't make them feel like a piece of meat just like every other piece of meat).

Hope I have solved this riddle for you.

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First of all, I haven't really seen many posters interjecting "opinions, labels and their regard for the people delivering the services we seek" unless you're talking about the inflammatory trolling post made by this nutcase DexterRICH, which came totally out of left field and for which he got himself permanently banned from this board. For the most part, this HAS been an economic debate all along.

Secondly, you may disagree with my economic reasoning if you want but to say that I'm being disengenuous and simply pretending that statements like the above are not self serving is completely and absolutely WRONG. I didn't invent the laws of supply and demand or the concept of price elasticity of demand. It doesn't take any economic genius to figure out that when the world economies are in recession that there will be more sellers and fewer buyers and that in turn NORMALLY means downward pressure on prices (witness the housing market and until recently the price of gas) or at least less upward pressure. Similarly, as you move up the demand curve, elasticity of demand normally increases. What that means is that the higher the price goes, as some have continued to do, the larger the effect on the quantity demanded and their total revenue will go down. This may be "self-serving" because it means lower prices for me as the consumer but I didn't just make this stuff up to gain "economic control".

Thirdly, "judging what is in the seller's best interest" is not at all a direct concern of the buyer. Convincing a seller that what is really in your own best interest is also in theirs CAN be a negotiating approach that some might take, but we're NOT talking to chicas here. We're talking to each other. So who are we really trying to convince and what would even really be the point unless we believed it really was in their best interest as well as ours? I wouldn't so readily ascribe nefarious motives to our judgments, which a) we truly believe and b) right or wrong are at least based on reasonable principles and assumptions.

Can we judge what is really in their best interest? Maybe not. We can only judge what would seem to be the most reasonable approach if we were in their shoes. Of course, some of us probably have some advantage over these chicas in understanding the best approach for profit maximation based upon our own education and business experience. I don't have access to their exact sales figures but I can at least figure out that if they're complaining about low sales volume then raising prices is probably NOT the best answer. Of course, maybe I'm way off base and profit maximization is NOT their primary goal. Maybe they'd rather hang out at the BM night after night holding out for the big score (rather than sell themselves "too low") and can content themselves doing a much smaller handful of sessions each month. But if that's the case it still doesn't explain chicas complaining about low sales volume while maintaining high prices.

Maybe the chicas are just unhappy because things are not as wonderful as they recently were. In that case, join the club. I wish I was making the sort of income I was last year too and if I was I might not be so reluctant to pay the prices some of these chicas are asking. The point is, no one is happy when the economies turn bad, we all like to complain, but some of us learn to adjust and some don't.

Maybe the chicas really DO know what they're doing and raising their prices IS in their self-interest because it raises their total INCOME even while their business VOLUME (# of sessions) decreases. In fact, even if their total income goes down, having to turn fewer tricks might still be preferrable to them, as long as they still made a satisfactory income. The question then becomes, if raising prices really is so good and effective for them, then why do we hear them complain so much about business being slow? I can think of only 2 explanations. Either their business really is suffering and therefore there is something to what we've been saying OR the chicas really know what they're doing and the complaints are being made up to manipulate us. The "psychological manipulation conspiracy" that you postulated between buyers and sellers can work both ways.

JOsie,
I think you really hit the nail on the head. Maybe we don't really know what is in the chica's best interest. Maybe maximizing revenue is not their main goal. Maybe just making enough to get by with as little effort as possible is all they really want. Maybe their is an ego thing going on that means there is simply a pricing floor below which they will not go no matter how bad business gets. Maybe all of the above. Or maybe the chica doesn't really know what is in her own self interest.

If its an ego thing than I can understand why they aren't LOWERING their prices. I just don't buy that as an explanation for them RAISING what they expect to get paid IN THE FACE of a tough competitive market when they WERE willing to do the job for less just a few months before. I also can't understand why, IF they're really having such a hard time getting guys to go for their higher prices that they're increasingly demanding (as their own complaints suggest) and think their pu*sy is too good for anything less why they continue to bother plying the trade. Either its worth the lower prices guys are now willing to pay or its no longer worth being in the business. It can't be both. And, either way, don't complain.

If its a matter of lower expectations, such as only needing to turn so many tricks to make the target amount they need or not being willing to put in the extra effort of having to turn a few more tricks at a slightly lower rate of pay, then again I don't see the grounds for complaint. If its simple laziness, they don't have my sympathy. If its only wanting or needing to make a certain amount, but not wanting to put out the extra effort that is now needed to acheive that goal, they don't get much more. Few of us makes as much as we think we really deserve and in a down economy many of us are not doing as well as we were just a little while ago. Maybe we bitch a little and blame it on the various powers that be, but do we pick this time to go to our employers and ask for that big raise or do we count our lucky stars that we still have a job? And do we accept the fact that, like it or not, the economy is what it is and we all just need to adapt and tighten our belts if necessary (maybe forego some of the luxuries like that extra trip to CR), accept a lower income or work even harder to keep the income we have until things start to turn around?

That would seem to be the logical thing to do for most people, but not for some chicas.

I agree completely. But hasn't that ALWAYS been true? Its not like treating the chicas with measured respect and caring hasn't ALWAYS been a good way to receive better prices/performances. My point is that, while we should always be respectful and caring, we shouldn't be doormats and we shouldn't allow ourselves to be manipulated. Yes, these gals are human beings with real feelings and we should never abuse that. However, lets not overly fool ourselves that at the base of our relationships with them is the fact that they're PERFORMING a service for us and we're paying them accordingly. In deciding, whether or not to go with them we're really making a buying decision. Emotional factors can play a part in buying decisions but they should never rule them.

If we really like a particular chica and especially enjoy what she does for us we should be willing to pay more for her than we would for someone else. If the economy is strong and prices are going up or if she starts to perform even better service for us than she did before, then we should be willing to pay her even more than we did before. HOWEVER, if the economy is weak and, as a result, there is a LOT of competition from other chicas (whether they be from other mongering destinations, MP's across town or even more realistic chicas across the bar) AND (ceteris parabus) her services are no better than before, then one should expect the amount she demands to go down or at very least stay the same rather than go up or for her negotiating demands to stiffen.

haha I think you guys are all giving them more credit than they deserve for "thinking" it out..... I don't think 10% have any idea of economy and pricing and demand. That's why none ever hook the big fish. They really don't know how to play the game.

The del rey is capitalism at its best. an open market, no middlemen, fluid conditions with no quotas to buy or sale anything any party doesnt want . as a cutie who I have been low balling (but not balling) said "you can get a chica for $60 but if want a beautiful one its a hundred"

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My two cents:

The reason many working girls raise their prices when things are slower is simple, and it has a sort of twisted logic to it.

They're getting less customers, so they try to get more money out of the customers they do manage to attract. And sometimes it actually works!

They complain business is slow because it takes them longer and more effort to make the same amount of money they used to make when things were better.

Economic theory means nothing to most of them, so don't expect them to act according to the tenets of supply and demand.

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I tend to agree with thirdworld. They're not really thinking in terms of the global economy. As he says I doubt that most of them have any idea of the big picture. They think in terms of the DR economy, which isn't really the same thing. I think you guys are leaving out a lot of intangibles which can vary from minute to minute as well ( do they enjoy your company, are you more or less attractive, what time is it, how close to the end of the month is it, how tired are they, are they in a good mood or bad mood, are they drinkers, how long have they been working, etc etc, ad nauseum) all of which can affect the negotiation at any given time.

I tend to think that it's more situational economics than it is really trying to understand the overall economic implications. Chicas make stupid on the spot pricing decisions which cost them business. Mongers make stupid on the spot purchasing decisions that cost them money. The degree of experience you have limits the degree of loss you have on either side, and within those confines the prices stay pretty stable and reasonable (reasonable being a relative term).

This contributes nothing to the discussion, I know, but I'm bringing this Thread back in a year or so as an excellent short course in macro/micro economics and more especially behavioral economics. I say this with no trace of irony. All points of view on these areas have been well covered and well defended. Another great thing about this Board...

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This is a particularly good point. Don't underestimate the difficulty of the job despite the chicas' extensive experience. Also don't forget that it's unlikely that they really need $150 per night. They can generally get by with less even taking into account the needs of her family, various unhealthy habits and/or leaching Tico novios. Tomorrow is another day.

Most of these chicas are either from small towns or poor neighborhoods of large cities. I don't know these types of places well in Latin America, but if they are anything like the rest of the third world, then the puta lifestyle is way more exciting/interesting to the chicas than the "boring" everyday existence waiting for them back home. Their stay-at-home peers are likely dealing with large families and unfaithful husbands who might also be abusive and are probably un- or under-employed if they haven't already abandoned them.

It's been said many times before, but if the chica sizes you up as someone who can show her a good time, not embarrass her if she takes you to her favorite local places, and you can communicate with her, then you're in for a fun time at a lower price than others will have to pay. It's as simple and as complicated at that...

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sorry, but i don't really want to hear the excuses and rationalizations. I'm a gringo, struggling with the economy. And I do what I gotta do to survive these days! Now, the top chicas, if their business model works, more power to them. That's capitalism. But as far as the sentiment goes, for little second rate chicas that have this mentality, and are not hot enough for it to work for them, let them starve!!! This is not a time for ego...

Many good points but more than I can handle on a lazy Sunday afternoon I'd agree that most chicas are not interested in only revenue maximization. Their idea of happiness factors in somehow or at least minimizing unhappiness as best they can. Whether they do this though spending time with guys they prefer, buying more clothes/shoes than they need, or using substances to help them through the day, I have no idea...

One thing to keep in mind about DexterRICH is his old post that I quoted on the previous page of this thread. He seems to be a non-local living in CR with a former or current working chica and the family they have unwisely created. He clearly has bitten off more than he can chew, and his outbursts were probably written in a drunken rage.

It's a good thing he was banned, and he sounds like someone who needs to leave the country as well.

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