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You are not being overcharged. The rate of 16.39% is what every person pays in taxes for a hotel in San Jose. It doesn't matter if you are Tico, American or whatever. Hotels are heavily taxed in my opinion.


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Panadero, c'mon, how many ticos have to stay in hotels REALLY? Besides, if you notice, Tampabayman never specified only GRINGO tourists, but IF this tax was really JUST for HOTELS then it clearly WOULD at least be targetted at TOURISTS, who come mostly from other countries, rather than at ordinary tico citizens. A better question would be HOW MUCH of that 16.39% tax is just for hotels.

The actual breakdown for the CURRENT tax has been 13% SALES Tax and 3.39% EXTRA for the special HOTEL tax. For comparison, the surcharge at the better restaurants in CR is actually 23% - 13% SALES Tax and 10% for Service Fees (in leiu of tip). I suppose you could say that such upscale restaurants are also mostly geared to tourists too, but I'm pretty sure the same surcharges apply to any ticos that eat in those places too.

When you get into the cheaper hotels (like the Nuevo Johnson) or cheaper restuarants (like most sodas), in other words the types of places most ticos are more likely to stay or dine, you don't normally see any of these taxes. Is that because they simply don't report their income or pay those taxes themselves (as they are supposed to) or is it because they're actually at a level that is exempt from taxation? I'm not really sure. Maybe, our resident encyclopedia Prof. ID can enlighten us further (I never really thought about it much before but now I'm kinda curious).

Actually, this topic of hotel taxes is a good current events question right now.

Just this past November, a NEW tax of $15 per passenger on flights into CR was approved. I'm not sure WHEN it is supposed to be implemented. Any way, this new tax was designed to REPLACE the hotel tax and is expected to bring in $25M vs. only ~$10M for the 3.39% hotel tax. They also expect it to be easier to enforce and collect. Part of the reason the old hotel tax was bringing in less revenue was because many hotels were not fully reporting the number of room nights they were actually selling. Which is kinda phucked up, if you think about it and consider that most of the time tourists were still paying the tax to the hotels. It gave the hotels an excuse to jack up what tourists paid over their posted rates, while they simply pocketed all the money. To be fair, there were also times when the savings were passed on to the tourists, such as when they got signigicantly lower "cash rates".

Will those instances of specially discounted cash rates be harder to find now that 3% tax portion of the savings will no longer be part of the equation, or at least will the savings offered be a little less? Will some hotels still try to slip in the 3% surcharge even after the tax is officially eliminated? And when (if ever) will these changes take effect (or have they already)? The answers to those questions are probably yes and no and who knows, but they're potentially interesting questions.

As for the "excessiveness" of the CR sales tax (and now the airport tax) hitting tourists disproportionately hard, I'm not so sure I'd characterize that as inherently unfair. Would it be more fair to structure taxes so that more of it had to come out of the pockets of tico citizens who typically make only $500-600/month? Why not try to tax the people most able to pay, particularly if they don't vote and don't seem so fazed by the tax system that it has kept them from coming to CR? Relatively much wealthier tourists WANT to come to CR. CR businesses already get a huge portion of their income from these tourists ($2B per year). Why shouldn't ICT and the CR government get a piece of that pie. It takes marketing to get tourists to continue to come to CR and that costs money. Tourists place demands on CR infrastructure in terms of additional electricity, sewage treatment, road repair and improvements, etc. and all of that costs money too. And the local citizens don't have the money to pay for these things, so why shouldn't the government get some of the money to help pay for those things directly from the people who demand it the most and have the money to pay for it? If anyone thinks these tax rates makes the cost of a CR vacation too expensive, then no one is forcing them to come to CR. However,over the years enough tourists have wanted to come (and come back) to CR badly enough that they've been willing to pay these taxes and, until this past recession, in ever increasing numbers. So evidently "fair" or not, that aspect of their tax system seems to work pretty well for CR.

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Prolijo wrote:
Would it be more fair to structure taxes so that more of it had to come out of the pockets of tico citizens who typically make only $500-600/wk?


Think you might have meant per month.

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Prolijo is right and I agree with his most of what he says. My point is that the middle upper class and upper class in Costa Rica do some travelling, and when they go to, let’s say, Manuel Antonio, and they get a nice a hotel, they pay 16.39 % taxes for hotel. Of course, no doubt, tourists pay a disproportionate amount of money regarding hotels in Costa Rica. Of the 2.25 million tourists that travel to Costa Rica every year, 78% are Americans. This money represents very important revenue for San Jose and Costa Rica, and I agree that is paid mostly by foreigners. Tourisms constitute 8.7% of Costa Rican National Product.
Cheaper hotels and Restaurants are except from taxation? No way José. The problem is that many cheap hotels and little restaurants cheat and don’t report all their sales, and they simply pocket the money. As you know, corruption is one of the biggest problems in Costa Rica and all Latin America. The authorities also don’t care if a little ‘soda’ is not reporting all their income and sales. They are more interested in El Rey,SL, Presidente, etc. Corruption has permeated every level of society in Latin America and it is one of the major challenges many neoliberal administrations—like the Arias administration—confronts.


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I contacted SL regarding booking a room and the confirmation notice I received has the tax at 16.39%. This seems a little high. Can someone please confirm what the hotel tax rate is? Thank you.

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You did not say when you got the confirmation notice but if it was recently, past month or so, you are being overcharged.

The current correct rate is the 13% sales tax. The 3% (3.39% effective rate) was abolished and replaced by a $15.00 arrival tax that airlines are suppose to include in the ticket price.

This became effective about a month ago. The SL may be using a boilerplate confirmation notice that still contains the old rate but may only charge the new rate on checkout. Ask them to clarify.

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Its really gratifying to know someone is actually reading my voluminous writings so carefully that they'd catch careless mistakes like that. Yes, I did mean "per month". Thanks Ciao :D


Well, then you'll be really happy to know it's "in lieu of", no "in leiu of". :lol:

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Good points. I didn't REALLY think they were exempt, I just wasn't really sure. I KNOW that they never charge it. However, whether they officially exempt vendors below a particular price point or not, if the government never bothers to go after them, then it really amounts to a de facto exemption. YOU might call it "cheating" or "corruption", but I seriously doubt any of those small businesses would.

Any way now that the 3.4% is going to be replaced with a $15 fee which is automatically tacked on to our airline tickets, the few wealthier ticos who stay at the more upscale hotels (and probably represent less than 1% of their guests) won't have to worry about the hotel tax OR the airline surcharge and the government won't have to worry at all about hotels failing to report it (sales tax reporting is another matter), but us GRINGOS (plus the other 21%) will STILL have to worry about paying something. Still, if you figure we pay 3.4% per night less on say an average $65 hotel room for a typical weeklong stay, then even we might save a few cents. OTOH, cheapskates like me who stay in cheaper hotel rooms will have to stay in CR for a longer time before our hotel tax savings offset the additional $15 charge at the airport. OMG, where am I going to come up with all the extra money? :shock: :cry: :roll: :lol:

Also thanks to ID for clarifying when it went into effect. I thought they had already changed over but I wasn't really sure about that either. The "boilerplate" or "old forms" explanation probably accounts for it, but I agree with ID that you might want to check on that just to make sure. I wonder if the mistake would always be quite so "honest" if it were at a hotel other than one like the SL, or whether they'd remove the extra 3.4% charge if you didn't catch it and point it out to them. Call me overly cynical.

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Its really gratifying to know someone is actually reading my voluminous writings so carefully that they'd catch careless mistakes like that. Yes, I did mean "per month". Thanks Ciao :D


Voluminous? I think you meant compelling. :wink:

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Prolijo wrote:
, such as when they got signigicantly lower "cash rates".
Did you mean "significantly"?

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oops, paco caught what I was just posting about at the same time.

Anything else guys?

You know its really nice that you guys are doing the spell check for me, but Berk has also been doing the word count. Now beat that.


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And with that extra (approximately) $2.72 per night (based on a rate of $80) after about 25 nights you'll get an extra session at an mp.. :D


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Of course, no doubt, tourists pay a disproportionate amount of money regarding hotels in Costa Rica. Of the 2.25 million tourists that travel to Costa Rica every year, 78% are Americans.


That may change if Americans are allowed to vacation in Cuba. And mongers recieve higher service levels in Cuba, along with more beautiful beaches and possibly chicas. I think Cuba is what Costa rica tourism need to fear the most. But WTF do I know :P


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Of the 2.25 million tourists that travel to Costa Rica every year, 78% are Americans.


Not sure were you came up with those figures. As I recall CR struggled to reach the 2 million a year figure in spite of counting perpetual tourists 4 times a year and many Nicas who go and come over Christmas.

As to your claim that 78% of tourists are Americans were does that figure come from? Just a few days ago this article appeared in Inside Costa Rica.

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Tourism Down 13% In First Quarter of 2009

The World Economic Crisis is being blamed 83.000 less visitors, either for vacation or business, to Costa Rica during the first three months of 2009.

According to the statistics, there were 551.000 visitors arriving to Costa Rica by way of the Juan Santamaría (San Jose) and Daniel Oduber (Liberia) international airports, between January 1 to March 31, 2009, compared to 634.000 visitors for the same period in 2008.

The numbers show that tourism in the first quarter of 2008 grew by 18%, meanwhile it fell 13% in 2009.

The majority of the decrease is of American visitors that make up 54% of all tourism in Costa Rica, according to the ministro de Turismo, Carlos Benavides.

The situation is worrisome to tourism operators, especially hotel owners who report lower occupancy this year than over the same period last year.

The Cámara Costarricense de Hoteles (CCH) says that at least 23% of the hotels polled reported empty rooms. Pablo Solano, head of the CCH says that hotels in San José, Guanacaste and San Carlos (La Fortuna) are the ones reporting most affected by the downturn in tourism.

The net effect of the crisis is also reflected in the behaviour of those who do visit Costa Rica, by staying less nights and spending less. According to the Instituto Costarricense de Turismo (ICT) the average number of days spent in Costa Rica by tourists dropped from ten last year to eight this year.The ICT also calculated that the average daily spending by tourists in 2008 as $110. No figures were available for this year.

Benavides, putting a spin on the decline, said that even though Costa Rica's tourism has dropped 13% in the first quarter, it is relatively good compared to other tourism destinations like Mexico, where the tourism board in that country estimates a drop of 50% in tourism this year (before the swine flu outbreak).

To counter the drop, Costa Rican tourism officials have been promoting more in the United States and have set their sights on European visitors.

Benavides said that the ICT is currently in negotiations with two US airlines to increase their number of flights, following the Continental Airlines lead in March that began offering three, from two, daily flights to and from Costa Rica.

The numbers are preliminary by the Tourism board and is still waiting on official numbers by the Dirección de Migración (immigration service).

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