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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:53 pm 
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" Marrying Up

In countries of the Third World, you often find American men in their fifties or sixties who have wives twenty or twenty-five years younger. In my considerable experience, they seem happy together. However, the arrangement upsets people back in the US. Why, I wonder?

A couple of upsettances are common. The first, from feminists, holds that the man is exploiting the woman sexually (a flattering thought to a man in his sixties; more likely, she wishes he were) or that he wants a docile and pliable woman. The view springs from the common notion among American women that a female who isn’t intolerable isn’t really a man. I suggest that if feminists married more Chinese women, they would learn a great deal about docility and where it isn’t. But, as I have often said, feminists hold women in much more contempt than do men.

The second upsettance, from both men and women Stateside, is that the wife is a brazen-clawed gold-digger. We are left, I suppose, with a docile, pliable brazen-clawed…ah, never mind.

It is perhaps worth noting that marriage has always had a large element of self-seeking, and that women, when they have not actually sold sex, have at least bartered it. This practice is hotly denied, and as hotly pursued.

Take identical twin brothers, introduce one as a recent graduate of Harvard Medical, and the other as a bus driver, and compare their amatory successes. There will be no comparison. Give me a Ferrari and money enough to leave hundred-dollar tips for a beer, and women will line up for blocks outside my door, though I have the appeal of a tree fungus. And while sex is often associated with marriage, not always accurately, it’s far cheaper to rent than buy. Only the crazy marry for it.

What usually happens is that a guy of, say, sixty arrives in Bangkok. Or Manila, Panama, Mexico, Saigon…. He’s looking at ten or fifteen years, and knows it. He has enough money to live well on the local economy. He doesn’t have a whole lot more.

For a young man, such places are candy stores. An old guy has done that, especially the kind of old guy you find in the Third World. Running the bars gets old. He’s looking more to warmth, to not coming home every night to an empty apartment, to having someone to hang outwith in the day. He’ll find buddies around town, but it’s different.

Now, there is a curious social convention regarding guys in the later stages of life. A man of fifty is a silvering figure of masculinity but, somewhere around sixty, he becomes in the public mind a doddering idiot. The phrase “little old man” comes into play. He is either a dirty old man (implying that he has the instincts of all males from the age of fifteen) or a manipulable dunderhead subject to the wiles of any bit of fluff. How pitiable.

Actually he is much more likely to be a bush pilot out of Alaska or ex-Special Forces or a veteran of thirty years in the oil business in the Pacific. Dimwits and weak sisters don’t often show up single in such places. They’ve known the girls and the places where you find girls for decades, some going as far back as BC Street in Koza. They know what is what, and are unlikely to get flensed.

Here it is important to get beyond the often unconscious but powerful condescension that so many have toward Third-Worlders. This attitude urges that women (and men, but we are not here interested in men) in most of the world are ignorant if not illiterate, uncouth and, not to put too fine a point on it, not very bright. This view doesn’t hold up well to experience.

Women are naturally classy unless, like so many American women, they have consciously appropriated the manners of cattle rustlers, running backs, and rabid badgers as an intensely sought ideological goal. In most places women dress well if they possibly can, and behave well. Many are intelligent, which is more important than formal education in being good company. They generally are just plain good people. And they are far tougher and more self-reliant than are cosseted editresses in New York.

So things look pretty good from the guy’s point of view.

From the woman’s point of view, American (and in general First World) men also look pretty good. The cold fact is that American men treat women well. In a lot of countries, the men are—I’m trying to think of a polite euphemism for “real dickheads”; one will come to me in a moment. They beat their wives, cheat on them, treat them like chattels. American men don’t. (There are exceptions to all of this, of course, but they are exceptions.) A gringo wants his wife to be part of his life. He will go to dinner with her, take her desires into account, and treat her as an equal. Koreans won’t.

This is a novel concept in many places but, I promise, it flies really well.

Often the woman will have a K*D or two attached, maybe from an earlier marriage or maybe just accidents. Now, in the US certain people get huffy about--oh, the thought!—illegitimate Ch*ldren. How déclassé and other French words. I note that American women are as sexually active as any other. They just believe in abortion more. At any rate, the gringo often figures, hey, they’re K*ds. Let’s raise them. It’s what you do with K*ds.

This too goes over really well.

He figures if he’s going to have a girlfriend, or wife, he might as well get a pretty young one. Too young means boring, but for a guy of sixty, thirty-five or forty is young, and not boring. So that’s what he gets. American women hate this like poison, which keeps me awake at night.

For the man, she’s great company, nice looking, usually cooks well and takes care of the house. For her, he’s a nice guy, treats her like a human being, makes sure the K*ds go to good schools, and provides much-needed security. They actually like each other, which can add a lot to a marriage.

Usually he marries her, if he does, because when he croaks he wants her to have legal or financial benefits of one sort or another. She of course knows this will happen, but so what? The arrangement differs in no obvious way from an American woman’s expectation of getting the life insurance. They appreciate each other. The K*ds see a dentist, the woman doesn’t have to work in some godforsaken shoe factory, and the guy has a life worth living.

You may not believe me. But I know a lot of these men. None of them would ever, under any circumstances, change. "

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:25 pm 
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I can definately agree with this post. I got a huge evil eye from gringas in the US embassy when I married my now ex- Indonesian wife. And we were only 3 years apart. I can imagine how a much older guy and younger woman would irk the bitchy gringas in a big way.


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Ah, the age-old debate regarding the older American man and the younger foreign lady.

Whenever I've allowed myself to be sucked into a discussion with gringas about this topic the most amazing thing that stands out is how the more they talk the more they prove the point as to why we would prefer it!

As for being part of this scenario, yep, I've been there and done that and can't wait to do it again!


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:15 am 
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If you plan on hooking up with a Latina expect her family to be part of the package.Taking her from her family and culture is a huge obstacle that can be worked out with the right chica.(some won't leave home for all the money or security in the world).If i ever hooked up with a young Latina i would plan on living in her country at least 25% of the year to keep her happy.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:57 pm 
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DrForm wrote:
If you plan on hooking up with a Latina expect her family to be part of the package.Taking her from her family and culture is a huge obstacle that can be worked out with the right chica.(some won't leave home for all the money or security in the world).If i ever hooked up with a young Latina i would plan on living in her country at least 25% of the year to keep her happy.


PL great post. It may be one of your best 8) Dr. that is not always the case, one of the reasons I started hanging out in CR is because I was getting tired of Gringas and wanted to know why :roll: I had a friend that PL's post could be his biography and the girl goes back to CR to visit the family but that is it :!:

I would love to know why gringas have a problem with this but if Demi Moore starts phucking some your cat its "you go girl" :evil:

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DrForm wrote:
If you plan on hooking up with a Latina expect her family to be part of the package.

Not necessarily, but definitely true if you let it. It depends on the girl but also on the guy and how much balls he has to end that shit before it even gets started. Trust me, I speak from experience. Going on 3 years now and no problems.

Btw, I belong to another forum dedicated to visas for foreign fiances and spouses. Somebody (a foreigner) made a post about how people call them gold-diggers and say they're using their fiance for a green card. I took that opening and turned it into a gringa bashing. I didn't realize that there are tons of gringas on there who have foreign fiances and husbands. This is what I wrote:

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American women don't like foreign women actually treating a man with respect and being good wives. They put them down for it. They don't want men to know what it's like to have an respectful wife. They want to be able to control men and be bitches and have all the power. Pay no attention to it, they're just angry and jealous that an American man would choose a foreigner over them.


That got a lot of nasty responses from fat gringas and a few PM's too.


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Orange wrote:
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American women don't like foreign women actually treating a man with respect and being good wives. They put them down for it. They don't want men to know what it's like to have an respectful wife. They want to be able to control men and be bitches and have all the power. Pay no attention to it, they're just angry and jealous that an American man would choose a foreigner over them.


That got a lot of nasty responses from fat gringas and a few PM's too.

Orange,
"As we generalize so may we be generalized against us", or something like that.

As you found out, there are two sides to every story. Maybe those women have had their fill of American men and their attitudes, too. Every situation is different.

If American women want to marry foreign men who are we to question them just as it is none of their business who we choose to be with?

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Some gringas get really upset when they see an older american man and a young latina. Sitting at the News Cafe one evening with an attractive chica 30 years my junior, I got looks from a couple of gringa eco tourists that melted the ice in my drink. Can't a guy have a good time without being judged :?:


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Once your foreign esposa comes to live with you in the states how long before she becomes a permanent resident and can divorce you & stay here, like 3 years? :?

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Usually he marries her, if he does, because when he croaks he wants her to have legal or financial benefits of one sort or another.


I have a friend who has been asking about this so told him I would pose the question:

"If you marry in a foreign country, live in that country and collect your social security there, what government benefits would your wife be enitilted to upon your demise?"

The above assumes a solid prenup to protect assets intended for adult Ch*ldren form previous marriages.


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Aren't gringas obviously just hating on older guys with youger mates because they themselves are on the wrong side of 25?

I wonder if it's just a U.S. thing, or if women abroad get peeved when they see it. I think it's just jealousy...

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Good post PL...

This country is progressing towards the belief that a man must only have a relationship with a woman that is his social, economic, and generational equal. Anything else may be sexual harrasment.


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First, this guy really told it like it is and secondly it is my life plan at some point. When I get tire of mongering, pull a Latina beauty and Phuck her into I’m gone.

Good point, DrForm, even here in the states. You better take a look at her family because they will be YOUR family too.

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Luck, I am no expert, but I think that I recall reading that if a US citizen marries and lives abroad that the spouse is NOT eligible for any survivor benefits from Social Security or Federal pension. The exception would be if the couple resides within the US for a specified period of time.

Can some subject matter expert clarify this?

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I would never sleep with both eyes closed if I were an old dude, with a pension, married to a chica 30 years younger than me...


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