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"I have the impression that people in Costa Rica need a bit longer to realize that they might need to adjust what they are asking for. The real estate market is in a similar situation. Condos have gone down a bit but I consider most of them still way overpriced"

A little skewed from the original post but my eye doctor here and her husband bought a penthouse condo. in Jaco 2 yrs. ago and hurting now. I nicely offered up my viewpoint to just stay away from RE there period, esp. for a couple years but oh well. Very fortunately they run a very honest and solid business so they have a good cash flow coming in from it compared to the other rip-off doctors who just want cash up front and no service afterwards (kinda like some of the working girsl huh??).

people in CR just take a bit longer for everything, period...

I think that we are forgetting the education level of most of the chicas. Unless they are watching cartoons or novelas, they do not have any macro economic awareness other than the rent is due. Since we have been showering them with money, they do not see the spigot slowdown. I have tried to talk to two of my favoritas about it but they see as just bad luck. If you have good luck you make money. Kind of nuts but it is their reality.

I even tested both of them with a simple business plan. I have access to my company supply of used access inventory so I will bring used laptops for them to sell at a markup of at least %200-%300. No risk, no money down on their part. They keep %100 of the profit. I’m still waiting for a positive response. They do not grasp the concept of a business plan unless it is on their backs.

Seeing this, I do not think the chicas will understand economic concepts unless the most basic one of lying on their backs. BTW, both chicas finished school, were previous business owners but unless is something that they fall into it, they will never understand the economic dynamics surrounding them.

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man, that sounds like SO many conversations I've had with them...

Actually, the proper definition of a part-timer is they only work Wednesday-early Sunday morning. They go to the Key Largo to "see a friend of theirs" and then if they don't hook up, they'll cross the street to the Blue Marlin to test the waters. Also they may hook up multiple times a night and they will tell you that they have another "job" ie student,bartender,model etc

El Ciego wrote cien is "a magic number." The chicas ask for cien; when I took my car in to get detailed they asked for cien; my gardener wants cien; when I ask the price of an oil change – cien; it seems to be the only word they learn in school.

El Ciego is right, cien does appear to be a magic number for them. But cien is just a starting point and it goes down from there.

I believe there is another aspect that keeps many of them asking for cien. A couple of my friends who have no idea what P4P prices are, came down and we were hanging out at the SL. When the girl said cien, the guy didn’t bat an eye. I told him I could negotiate for a lower price but for him cien was a drop in the bucket and he gladly paid.

Another consideration is how many of us make $100 an hour? How hard do you bust your butt to make cien? Consider commuting, putting up with dipsh*ts at work, a-hole customers, etc. Most people I know in the US work their fingers to the bone day-in and day-out, 10 to 12 hours a day, often six days a week.

Here in Costa Rica, working hard and long hours is not a norm.

I have compassion for the underprivileged but I also have concern for my economic well being. For those who have a better understanding and are more cost conscious paying cien is silly.

And you know what? I don't have a problem with that....one of the things that DOES NOT suck about Costa Rica is that the blind materialistic culture we "enjoy" here in Gringolandia hasn't set in down there just yet. Many a chica is happy to live without all the stuff...she'll pay today's bills, worry about tomorrow's bills tomorrow. Yes there are issues with that but at least they are not incessantly wringing their hands over their future economic well-being, paying heath insurance, the ring of death on the XBOX 360, declining home values, their decimated stock portfolio, new finish for their wood floors, paying the gardener, etc etc etc... They believe that tomorrow will take care of itself, for better or worse. And they are just as happy in their culture and this point of view as we "may" be in ours. Casa, comida, agua y luz...anything else is a bonus...and if you take the LONG view which everyone everywhere should take once in a while...we are going to be in the ground very shortly anyway...so make every day count and don't sweat the small stuff and maybe try not to sweat too much at all

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I think PR hit a golden note: We keep comparing them to an American "work ethic". We must remember that for them, there is no "American Dream" of rising up through the masses to home/business ownership. Most are born, live and die in the same social class, many within a few miles of where they were born.

Look at the existence these people have lived for thousands of years. To look at them, these are the same people who got off the boat at a thousand other beaches and islands around the Pacific. Basically, they stepped off the raft, checked out the ready availability of fresh water and every manner of edible fruit, fowl, fish and critter and decided to stay here and build a hammock.

We condemn them for not chasing what we have: Sixty hour work weeks and both parents working to try to pay for all the crap that we don't have time to take out of the box. They must think we are seriously stooooopid, paying millions a year just to treat the stress that our lifestyles induce.

Many say the girls lack ambition. I think it may be more correct to say that they have not seen the gains that ambition can bring. More often, they see the ambitious torn down and worn out by the slow paced system. Like the K*D in the projects, the only ones they see "making it" are the girls who get lucky and bag someone who can provide for them.

This may be a typical tale of the ambitious. It is true but altered enough so that the person cannot be easily identified: An ambitious Tica worked her charms, talent and beauty to the end that she was hired by a major US company as a member of an elite spokes/model team traveling around the world. She drove a Mercedes and bought several small businesses in the San Jose area. She met a very wealthy man from Miami (within ten years of her age). She commuted back and forth from CR to the US, running her businesses here and swimsuit modeling in the states. Everything was grand.

Then her wealthy companion was taken down for money laundering and some other shady practices. The feds wanted him badly and pulled her in as an accessory in order to get her testimony against him (they were not married). She spent nearly two years in jail refusing to testify against him (claims she didn't know anything about his business) and was eventually released. She returned to CR disgraced (she had been a national figure) and returned to work at the HDR. Rest assured that the girls know her and the story. That is the kind of example they see for the ambitious.

Hey, if it makes us feel better to see them as lazy, worthless, thieving sluts, so be it. I would hope that we don't need to degrade them in order to do the things we do. The fact is that they are as varied as we are. They have a different social structure and model than we do. That does not make us right and them wrong, in my opinion.

I do find it interesting that, even some of us who live here and deal with them on a constant basis, fail so miserably to grasp the cultural differences and, instead, judge them on a metric that to them is completely foreign.

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Pac Wow
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Costa Rica is not the USA and the more it stays that way the better off for all

I am a little sorry I started this thread which evolved into, with a few notable exceptions like Pacifica55’s posts, a lot of condemnation of the chicas and general characterization of them as lazy rip-off artists.

As Pacifica pointed out, the chicas run the gamut of personality types and degrees of honesty.

But I have had amazingly good luck finding girls who are honest with me, good performers, who act like girlfriends and spend more than just a quick hour of sex with me.

Yep, I’ve had a few of those hurry-up-and-pay-me-now girls who didn’t want to do something I asked for. But those girls I didn’t hire again.

Speaking Spanish certainly helps. I’m not fluent, but I can carry on a simple conversation and get to know a girl after 30 minutes of talk at the bar. I’ve found that letting them tell me about their troubles and their K*ds, etc., makes them more open and relaxed with me also.

Yeah, I pay cien pretty often, but usually I get two or three hours in my room, maybe going out to a movie or dinner, etc. if I’m in the mood. I’ve had ‘em take me sightseeing, to their apartments, to out-of-the-way bars and restaurants, etc. They’ve given me little gifts – a really nice golf shirt, souveniers, a bag of weed, etc.

I’m no missionary and I don’t have some burning desire to rescue these girls from their lifestyles. I’m their customer. But I’m friends with people I do other kinds of business with also. And the ones who I am friends with often cut me better deals, give me better service or preferential treatment, etc.

Yeah, friendship with working chicas sometimes has a price. I do get e-mails asking for money. But usually I gently say, “Sorry, I can’t help you at the moment, but I enjoy your company and I’ll be spending money with you when I come again.” They don’t get angry. And they’re all smiles when I show up again. And there’s the jealousy thing. Sometimes your “regulars” resent it when they see you spending your money on a competitor.

I don’t think it’s generally a good idea to send them money, but I have done it with three girls when they were having problems paying the rent and told them I would accept services rendered as repayment on my next trip. I haven’t been stood-up yet by one of those girls. But all three were girls I knew pretty well and had sessioned with on multiple visits. All good gfes.

I broke out laughing on the first day of my October trip when a girl I had sent $200 tapped me on the shoulder at the bar and asked to come to my room. We walked into the room and she put her purse on the bed and fished out a big fistful of Colones and started counting them out.

She said, in Spanish, “Did you think I wouldn’t show up or pay you?”

I said that, no, I trusted her, but that two sessions of sex would do nicely, thank you, unless she preferred to pay cash. I could tell she was relieved. But she asked a second time if I was sure. I spent that evening – probably three hours in my room, then dinner and a couple of drinks together -- and another afternoon the next week with her and had a good time. I would send her money again if she was in dire straits.

No, I don’t think these girls love me or think I’m Brad Pitt. I know they’re admiring my wallet, not my manly physique. But I’m not looking for love, just a little fun with some pretty women..

Enough of my rambling, though. I just wanted to point out that, sometimes, if you treat them squarely, you might be amazed at how well some of them will treat you.

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Mongeral Wow #2

You are into the comfort zone have a blast
I am just getting into that and just had a blast in SJ
You make some great points

Mongreal, look me up next trip and I'll buy the first one.

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however hard all of us work, none of our job descriptions entails getting naked and letting god knows who have their way with us.

while I am against paying a cien I dont blame the ladies for trying to get what they can.

another thing while they get the hundred for time in action what about the time "Consider commuting, putting up with dipsh*ts at work, a-hole customers, etc."

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Phoenix Rising, I did not do a good job of explaining my thoughts.

I think that because you quoted me, “Most people I know in the US work their fingers to the bone day-in and day-out, 10 to 12 hours a day, often six days a week. Here in Costa Rica, working hard and long hours is not a norm,” and then followed up with “And you know what? I don't have a problem with that....one of the things that DOES NOT suck about Costa Rica is that the blind materialistic culture we ‘enjoy’ here in Gringolandia hasn't set in down there just yet.”

Anyway that is what makes me think I did not explain very well what I was trying to get across. In large part I understand and agree with your viewpoint.

I was trying to establish the concept of a ratio of equivalency. Let’s say someone is a professional government worker with years of formal schooling, hundreds of hours of intensive training and over 20 years of hands-on experience in one of the most stressful and demanding careers in the professional world. Your decisions are critical because if you make the wrong decision hundreds of people could die.

There has to be a value for your knowledge, skills and abilities. Let’s say the value is $58.10 an hour. Is it worth it to you to trade two hours of your life, indeed two hours of your life at work, for one hour with a P4P from the HDR or SL.?

If you could work one half hour and earn $29.05 is it worth it to you to trade that amount (1/2 hour of your time) for one hour of P4P at an MP?

That is all I was trying to do, to put things into another specific perspective: How much of your work time are you willing to trade for time in the sack?

I agree with your point Mr.Black. Some of the aspects of P4P are probably not be all that attractive. But some of the guys on this site have jobs which have serious negative aspects as well.

There are guys on this site who get shot at -- there are several military and police personnel who frequent this site;

Some guys clean out sewers and septic tanks – hardly a pleasant job;

Coroners who pick-up and carve-up dead bodies can have some really unpleasant experiences;

Paramedics see some really grotesque sights -- it is not easy to try to save the life of a five year old boy who just fell out of a fifth story window and all you can think about is your five year old son at home; and,

Fire fighters walk onto a blazing roof hoping that it won’t collapse or hoping that some fool didn’t store unstable chemical compounds in the burning building.

There are plenty of jobs which have very negative aspects but men still do them anyway because in the end, they believe their personal costs are worth the value they get for doing the job.

And I think that the P4P women see it the same way or they would move on to another job. No question they may not have many choices, but in the end the choice is theirs whether they are going to walk into the BM, SL, KL or where ever. They can say no to an offer.

Maybe when they quote outrageously high prices they are deliberately pricing themselves out of the market so they don’t have to bed down with the guys making the offer.

My original post was about cost to value: What personal costs do you pay in order to make a living, compared to the value (it could be money, power, prestige, etc.) you receive from your work juxtaposed against the rate are you willing to trade that time of your life for P4P?

Girls are the same all over the world.

Here in Miami you can see the same situation at the local strip clubs - the girls don't understand supply and demand. They want to charge MORE when there are less customers, on the theory that since there are less customers coming to the clubs, they need to make more off each one they get.

Amazing, huh?