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There will always be guys that drink or gamble or pay too much, as far as what to pay all you can do is try and educate them if you get a chance but some guys won't listen anyway. My fellow Loco makes some valid points- have the big-shots really driven up chica prices? I pay 5k more than I was paying 5 years ago for mid-shelf HDR chicas and consider that inflation not the "big spenders driving up the prices"- it could even be argued that is a myth if you look at the avg. HDR price with inflation factored in over the last decade. I think it was Dapanz that said chicas were quoting 100 back in '97 or '94 on his first trips so shouldn't they be quoting 200 by now? I'd say chica rates have remained quite stable if not almost flat considering the price of everything else going up AND the increased number of big spenders throwing money around. Also the chicas know that not all of us are dumb, rich gringos that will overpay and the simple laws of supply/demand along with the small % of those big shots keeps things in check. Maybe something worth comparing is the hotel and restaurant prices, it's the Ticos and gringos phucking us over not the chicas.

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Hank explained very well what I was thinking about the drinking an then driving,. but to each is own
except I got only 8 days to go

Loco Mike said about J0sie:

I can attest Sr. J0sie does not come under the "frugal" category in any way, shape, or form. The fact he sets himself in the best suite at Amistad; travels with all the comforts of home for entertainment in his casa away from the home (for himself as much as for the birds who fly to him, by the way....), is always groomed and dressed in a chica favorable light (even for breakfast...jeesshhh...) and the consumate gentleman underscores this reality.

Business is business and the establishment of a budget is part of traveling, isn't it? Too, his mastery of Espanol don't hurt nothing, either. Simply look at his trip report and you'll see he brought a Wii which was used to barter for services rendered, and I dare say they were, in all likelihood, superior services.

My limited experience with the CRT group is that SL is fastly becoming a semi-secret Blue Marlin; particularly when the MP's were shut down for a little bit this past...what? Summer? That being said, there ought to be a gentleman's agreement amongst us that we draw the line on dollar amounts so that the CIEN profile of the Blue Marlin don't go down at SL.

I understand this "discussion" (controlling the market place) has been (and most likely will always be) gone over. I believe that given the target rich environment, we CAN put a huge dent in controlling the price structure but it's impossible to do if conspicuous consumption practices of a handful muck up a good thing for the rest of the group. Part of the "schooling" of new ones ought to include at least a tacit outline of what's what money wise. $400 per hour? Hell, why leave the USA if you're gonna shell that kind of dough out?!

A tangental aspect of this equation is also how we treat the ladies with the cost conscious approach.

And J0sie....my walking about is my exercising, although I have taken up the consideration of your idea about utilizing Universal® equipment!

Too, the issue about the inability to remember the next day to ethanol: bummer and does not compute this side of the pond. Better living through chemistry (meaning better than ethanol): I may forget names and numbers....but I don't forget EXPERIENCE.

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Mike I think it is you that is missing the mark here. We could go back and forth on this but if you can't understand the following then I won't bother trying to explain it to you again after this.

Point 1, starting from the bottom of your post, I'd NEVER TELL someone else how to act, UNLESS their actions were directly affecting me (obviously no one likes having to listen to a loud obnoxious drunk at the next barstool or get bumped into by some stumbling bum). HOWEVER I might ADVISE them how I think they'd be better off acting and leave it to them whether they wanted to accept my advice or not. Obviously, it is everyone's choice whether to over do it on the alcohol. HOWEVER, if guys go and get shitfaced and then something happens to them like getting mugged on the street, getting scammed for a few extra bucks by a cabbie, negotiating a deal with a chica that was in retrospect done with "beer-googles", has something lifted from their room by said chica, has trouble getting off with his little lovely or maintaining the stamina to fully enjoy her, or is simply in misery the next day (and thereby forced to consume a hair of the dog that bit them to get over it and start the cycle all over again), then I don't want to hear any complaints about it either.

I hear over and over again how dangerous an environment CR has become. If that's casem wouldn't getting shitfaced in such an environment just make it even more dangerous. The typical response of these guys is to advise everyone (no matter whether they're inebriated or not) to take cabs. How is that any LESS telling someone else how to act? It seems to me that if things are really so bad that you need to take cabs for security purposes then they're also so bad that you should probably try to keep your wits about you. Alternatively, if you're taking cabs BECAUSE you don't have your wits about you and that works for you then fine. Its definitely a good idea to always take a cab when you're drunk. Unfortunately, that doesn't do anything to help you with the beer goggles or any of the other problems associated with drinking too much.

Point 2, your tautology that if the opposite of an argument is faulty than the original argument is faulty too is in itself completely absurd. If I argue that most hotels in SJ cost less than $200/nt and you countered that most hotels cost over $1000/nt. Just because what you said is patently absurd doesn't mean that what I said is necessarily incorrect. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other because they are 2 entirely different things.

Besides that the amounts that you were throwing out aren't "opposites" they're just different amounts. Sure one can stay in $15/nt hotel rooms and get $50 chica sessions IF that will buy them something that is good enough for them. In that case, they certainly don't NEED to spend more. Alternatively, to use your other example, one could spend a MINIMUM of $80 for a hotel room and $200 for several chicas sessions (or one really long one) and that would seem perfectly reasonable to me provided they got the corresponding quality. What I was arguing about is a guy who spends much much more then he NEEDS to (more than most other guys are paying for the same thing), but who along with other freespenders also provides a DEGREE of upward pressure on what chicas and others in CR expect us to spend even if we don't completely match him. I'm not the only one who thinks chica attitudes and expectations at the HDR have OVERALL deteriorated during the last few years.

The last part of your opposite counterargument is interesting because to the extent it is true it actually supports what I've been saying. If a guy that "only" spends $50 per hour for sex in a country where many people barely make that much in a week seems cheap, it is ONLY because of the rising expectations CAUSED by the gringos who go to the other extreme. And if you CAN'T afford to live it up AT HOME that is EXACTLY why you should go to CR where you CAN (or could), providing of course that price inflation caused by free-spending gringos like this guy doesn't drive up your CPF up to what it would cost domestically, which is actually starting to happen (so maybe I WILL be staying home more).

Point 3, you say some people can't monger at home or don't like to 'shit where they eat". Fine, if the sky's the limit on what they're willing to spend they don't have to fly to CR to do it. They can just drive a few hours to the next town, get a hotel for the night and bang plenty of hotties that still won't cost them $400/hr (some guys from Central Florida actually do that when they come out to our Tampa meetings). The standard DEL REY chica ASKING price is $100 per hour, which as pricey as it might seem to us by CR standards is still relatively cheap compared to what they'd cost in the US. If you're not going to pay $400/hr and not even take advantage of those ASKING rates I don't see the point of traveling over a 1000 miles to get something you could more easily get at home (or in some other probably nicer city much closer to home). Guys like the one in this Tale of Woe really belong in some place like Las Vegas. You say "If you cant afford to live it up and spend a few bucks you should just stay home!" I'd say it is exactly BECAUSE some guys can't afford to pay Las Vegas prices or be spending $400/hr for a chick that they go to places like CR in the first place.

And finally, if a guy wants to tip the doorman at his luxury $400/nt hotel a $100, it makes no difference to me since I'd never stay there any way. OTOH, even though asking prices at the HDR have seemed relatively stable over the last few years its been the last few years that guys have been coming to CR in droves and many of them throwing out that $100 asking price at the drop of a hat. Sure most girls will come down from that $100 asking price if you know enough not take the first offer, but it comes just a little bit more slowly (and for more and more of them not at all) and that $80-100 that you routinely pay for the top talent USED to be attainable at $60-80. And even if you get a chica down to the same rate you've always paid (or close to it) the service is not the same because they're thinking of those guys back at the bar who they could be getting more from when they go back. This may not be true with all of them but it is true with more and more, at least at newbie feeding grounds like the HDR, which USED to be much better.

I appreciate that some guys enjoy more luxury and like to live it up while they travel. My point is that throwing around the type of money that this particular guy was wasting does not necessarily equate to having any better time than guys can have for much much less. To the extent they want to WASTE their money, I don't really care either. Like JOsie said at the very beginning this ISN'T about CARING what the other guy is doing. It is about UNDERSTANDING the sense in it. Keep in mind, even what you and a few others described as your "extravagant" travel style is NOTHING compared to this guy's Tale of Woe. So despite whatever you and the others have just said, I still don't understand that.

I go to CR for 4 reasons -- to have sex with hot women, to gamble, to take in some activities (white water rafting/ATVing) that aren't readily available, and to drink. Yes, drinking is unhealthy. I have never fallen down drunk but I have staggered a bit at times. And I assume the consequences if it affects my judgement. I have paid cien for a woman's company but don't worry about it. If it's $20 over what I could have gotten her for, $20 when compared to the total cost of the trip is nothing.
If I make it a little bit harder for others to get a woman to come off of cien, I'm sorry. I do what I feel is right for me.

Point is -- I do things to make me happy. Sometimes I enjoy getting wasted. I am enjoying myself. Don't be critical because I do things differently than you.

This past weekend is the first time I have actually seen anyone quoted 2-300. One who quoted this even had her amiga tell one CRT member angrilly why he should pay it. I will leave the rest of the story for him to tell as he walked out of KL two hours later with said target in tow. I do agree with most of what Josie says, but to each their own. Sometimes I go out to drink and party and othertimes for the hunt.

As always another thread falls off the proverbial train. Some of you need to actually read the original and previous posts before start making your comments. This is not about the difference of $20 or if you want to drink and have a good time in CR. Shhhhiiiittt, I have been known to over spend over some poon. We all do it. If some of you take the time to read, it is about the excess and wastefulness of losing time in CR because you are too sick to Phuck after a night of excessive drinking. Not if you got a buzz the night before and got freaky with your chica. That is what CR is all about. But when you come to CR and plan, spend and read the board to make it a better trip but then waste your time vomiting over the porcelain throne, then you are just plain stupid.

This is neither a moral judgment nor a rant about how you need to behave. You are an adult what you do is your business. But it is a shout out to the membership for those with destructive behavior that there is more to CR than cheap booze and fish stories about how drunk can you get. Is that your thing, God Bless. But it is just a thread about how wasteful that behavior is.

Also, like I mention is not a discussion about whether some of us paid cien or not. We have discussed that to ad nauseam. It is about an actual person that not only sends WU’s to his novia but also his novias friends. About the wastefulness of trying so hard and dish out so much cash and getting so little in return. I’m not a chepo but I do like some return on my CR dollars, BBBJ’s, freakiness’, etc. When you dish out thousands of dollars to the chicas without expecting a return that is when we see the chicas get lazy and expect every gringo after that to do the same. That is the behavior that we are confronting here.

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From JOsie -- "This is neither a moral judgment nor a rant about how you need to behave. You are an adult what you do is your business. But it is a shout out to the membership for those with destructive behavior that there is more to CR than cheap booze and fish stories about how drunk can you get. Is that your thing, God Bless. But it is just a thread about how wasteful that behavior is."

You are not getting it. This behavior is "wasteful" to you. I think going to CR just to get laid is wasteful behavior. Solely my opinion. I get plenty of free sex with multiple partners in the good old U.S. If I want to go to CR for whatever reasons, I don't have to justify it to others. Tolerance of others is what it is all about in life.

Just to lighten things up a bit
One good thing can come from Mr Money Bag
Maybe one of my chicas will get one of those WUs
Now I will not have to pay for the dying mother with a bad cellphone

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how's the weather up there i heard you got snow send some to ID, i don't think he has ever seen it

Well said!

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Josie, Before you flame others,read your own thread. I think every point in your original post has been disscused to no end. If you just want to go to CR to phuck, ok by me, If this guy wants to throw his money away I don't give a flying phuck. By the way is the point of this thread..........

Flame, where? Shhiittt, have not called anyone directly and AO’s yet.

I must be mellowing out...

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MG you beat me to it although I'd like to highlight the other portion.


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