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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:44 pm 
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Looking in the picture section at Mellisa who I met at SL my last night in town and spent the night with. She will keep me in here and now.

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I would like to address a couple of things that chi-trekker said:
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This whole section and its treatment is what has me bothered. Guys on the board seem to think that novia = dating hookers. And, that is pretty much your ONLY option in CR or your BEST option.

I really don't know why you think that. Most of us are having relationships with women, most of whom have been working girls. There is a wealth of opinion that dating working girls is a bad proposition. I believe this board was formed for those of us who are interested in a better understanding of women in general and some of the special motivations unique to working or former working girl.

I have read many accounts of mongers failure with working girls. I believe that many of these men have never had a "successful" relationship with any woman, working or non. The common denominator in their failed relationships remains the same and seems to remain invisible to them.

The part that puzzles me is that many seem to come looking for reinforcement that the breakup was preordained because the woman was a working girl. Instead of asking, "why did the whole thing go wrong?", then listening to the responses and analyzing the input and examining what part may apply to them and how they might change their approach, they only seem to want validation that former putas are somehow impossible to have a relationship with.

My participation helps me to understand the thinking of others and is meant to assist those who want to analyze the common denominator and attempt to change. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result. I try to offer a new perspective that may help those who are tired of failing using the same techniques; a new tool in the toolbox.

Sure, it is much easier to just get together and reinforce the (in my opinion, false) belief that the monger did everything right and the puta is completely unfathomable in her bizarre behavior. We can be a band of "phuck 'em, pay 'em and dump 'em" brothers because there is no way to have a relationship with a 'ho!

Maybe I mistakenly thought that we all wanted to know more about the workings of the female mind, and especially females who are or have been working. I thought that my perspective might offer some insights, since I have been single and actively dating a variety of women for all but three years of my adult life (a couple of quick learning experiences with matrimony). Ask me about raising K*ds and I am at a complete loss, but I have made a study of women and the way they think, what motivates them and what it takes to get them into bed.

Currently, I am living with a former working girl and have been for nearly a year. I thought this might possibly give someone a little different perspective than constantly getting the report from guys who have tried, failed and who blames the chica in toda, which seems to be the case in the majority of the accounts I have read.

For anyone who is so offended by my brass assessment that having a relationship with a puta is impossible that they must call me names and threaten me via PM and on the board, my sincere apologies. I am absolutely certain that you are correct: Continuing to make attempts at a relationship with little understanding of putas and women in general will invariable lead to failure.

Why do I even care about the strongly held opinions of those who disagree with me? Because many people are aware that what they have tried does not work or don't even know where to begin. I get PMs all the time saying that they may have been skeptical but that the things I have told them have proven correct and that it may have helped change their lives. The hatred I get from the few who are offended by my audacious assertions is more than made up for with the gratitude I get from the guys who want a little help getting out of their own way.

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I'm not wragging on P4P and believe it has its own good purpose. This is providing it is kept at that level. I have nothing against these women as women. I choose to think they MAKE SHITTY novias. Horrible in fact!!!! This is not an opinion, but this is a fact and supported by many, many cases.

And I absolutely agree with this "fact": Without a basic working knowledge of their motivations and how to deal with them, we are doomed to fail over and over. The fault is not in the attempt but in the fact that we need to be better armed for the fight. what we have now is simply documentation that trying the same failed method over and over will yield the same result.

Santa's Bro - I don't need to be right all the time and I don't need the admiration of all. I learn from others experiences as well. My opinion is just that and I am more than open to hearing opposing opinions when they are supported with some data. When guys decide to say things like I must think I am "Dr. Phil" and if I don't cow-tow to their chest pounding they will come look me up, then I know they have no real argument. They just want someone to commiserate with and share their contempt for working girls (and women in general, for that matter).

In summary, if you think that "dating a puta" is folly, please, don't read this board. We already have that opinion in spades. How about letting those of us who are working on it have somewhere to help each other in our soon-to-be failed attempts. Thank you.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:30 pm 
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Pac, I agree with you and wish you sucess in the future with your novia, I am struggling with doing the same as you and appreciate your comments and observations. The reverse comment "Nothing like a gringo scorned"


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Just curious, I'm not against it, just not for me... Pac, by your posts I do think you have your head on straight about things female... BUT, the question is.... Doesn't it take a ton of maintenance to keep things straight? And this applies to younger chicas even if they aren't working girls. I'm just lazy I guess... I've had a few chances and opted out because I just wasn't willing to put in the work. If you don't mind my asking, does it tend to be a full time job? Anyhows, good luck to everybody in their endeavors, whether it is p4p or love.....


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Yes, TW, right now it is a full time job. She is due in 5-6 weeks with my little girl so she needs constant love, attention and reassurance. This will pass, I hope.

Really, once you get a grasp of their under-ridding motivation it becomes a lot easier. The hardest part for me is manning up and risking losing her if she does not accept my conditions. Also difficult is learning to tell them the truth up front and risking the battle rather than telling her what she wants to hear and dealing with the consequences when she discovers later.

The most helpful part for me was learning to read body language, then taking action based on what she is not telling me with her lips. The lips may lie but the body language is a lot more subconscious and difficult to disguise.

It seems to me that most American men think the game is over when the relationship starts. They want a soft spot on the couch and a little time to enjoy the fruits of their conquest. They disarm unilaterally and are surprised when the sneak attack comes. Never turn your back and as Papa told me, never let you ass get higher than your head.

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Pac - I appreciate you opinions and point of view. While some of the women may be disfunctional, many of my fellow brothers are equally lost in space. People are people. And then there are the cultural differences. I've learned a lot from the latino culture that has made me a better person. But I'm still trying to figure out the women, both working and straight. I agree that a serious relationship with a working girl is a longshot but sometimes you gotta say 'what the hell' and see where it goes. If nothing else, it will be a learning experience. The challenge is keeping everything in perspective. I really like reading about everyone's experiences and feelings. That's when the board is at it's best. Better to save all of the trash talk for craigslist. Peace out.


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The stupid shit some people do never ceases to amaze me... people that are suppose to be intelligent at that. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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What is that smell? Did somebody fart? :shock:


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I agree that a serious relationship with a working girl is a longshot but sometimes you gotta say 'what the hell' and see where it goes.

What relationship is not longshot? I attended five (5) of my friends weddings. None was with a working girl...all good solid middle-class gringas...none of them worked for more than a short time.

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The funny thing about this thread is that I agree with both Pac and Chi Trekker even though they have opposite opinions. Pac, you seem to be a strong minded individual and I honestly have no doubt you can handle this type of situation... But I think the percentages are low of guys who can handle a working girl and make it work.... The majority of guys who report on these types of relationships just don't seem to have what it takes to maintain this sort of thing.... And also, we don't want newbies thinking after reading a couple of posts that this is something common... Anyhow, good luck to you on the upcoming baby's arrival Pac.


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Pacifica55 wrote:
What is that smell? Did somebody fart? :shock:


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I agree that a serious relationship with a working girl is a longshot but sometimes you gotta say 'what the hell' and see where it goes.

What relationship is not longshot? I attended five (5) of my friends weddings. None was with a working girl...all good solid middle-class gringas...none of them worked for more than a short time.


That's the smell of stupidity! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I absolutely agree, Berk. A moment of clarity! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Pacifica55 wrote:
I absolutely agree, Berk. A moment of clarity! :lol: :lol: :lol:


You don't really want to get me started... :idea: !

Berk....CR... where proper mental capacity is mandatory or... in 5 - 6 weeks you too can be a daddy and a member of AARP all at the same time :idea:


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You are correct again. I wonder why you posted at all...unless you wanted to "get started".

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But I think the percentages are low of guys who can handle a working girl and make it work.... The majority of guys who report on these types of relationships just don't seem to have what it takes to maintain this sort of thing


I did it for 5 years. Doesn't mean it was a good idea. Although, she hasn't worked for the last 3 of those years. It's been the learning experience of a lifetime. This is the kind of sh*t you don't learn in school.

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IMJ, it has to do with what we have been taught as being a man, more than what this subject, or any other subject is about.

As a man I have been taught, unfortunately usually by my mother in our generation, that the Alpha male is top dog. If others don't agree with me, and my judgments, how can I be the Alpha male. I am then forced to belittle others judgment, and hammer them with mine, until they agree with me. Now I feel that I am top dog. In actuality all I have done is move myself farther away from others, and there has not been any agreement.

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Just as this post is not right, nor wrong, just my judgement, so who really cares?

IMHO, state your judgement and let it go. Just because someone does not agree with my judgment actually means nothing, unless I choose to make it so.
Your judgment about this post is welcomed. I can actually learn more from those who disagree with me, than those who are in agreement.

Just my dos colones.

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I finally opened this thread for the first time, and stumbled upon this gem by Santas Bro. SB, you won't learn much from me because I am in agreement. Hopefully, we reach a point in life where we "mature" and can accept the judgments and opinions of others. And, feel secure that we may be allowed to do the same.

Too bad more members of the CRT board don't feel this way:

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In the scope of life, what does it matter if anyone on this board, or in my daily life, does not share my judgments? I am not less than for it, nor am I more than when others agree with me. Since I have let go of the "my judgment is right" mentality my life is much better now.


It seems as if every other thread degenerates into a pissing contest...with no winners. IMO, the problem stems from a few instigators and know-it-alls, who feel compelled to spread their scent in every thread. It's a small percent of posters (maybe 1/10 of 1%), but the problem is getting worse as the forum continues to grow. The board is becoming tedious because of this. If it is obvious that it is not possible to argue a point with any level of maturity, let it go. After all, this is only a mongering board...not the world court.

Getting back on topic...
Based upon my experience, I would advise against getting into a serious relationship with a working girl (past or present)...there is just way too much baggage for a mere mortal to deal with. :wink: I'm not saying a successful relationship with a girl who has a"checkered background" is impossible...just very unlikely.

Old habits do change. I have watched guys who first arrived on this board with a "fuk-em-and-forgetum" mindset. A year or two later, some of these guys entered novio-hood or, worse yet, matrimony. The converse is also true...especially after a guy gets burned. :x

Continue having fun with this thread. :D

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