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Joker99
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Is Casa Vino still CRT vip discount member? Also I don`t ever recall any over charging by Casa Vino since they offered thier rooms to CRT. We all know that Pacifica55 is straight up guy so I have to believe Casa Vino. Sorry Florida but went I make a deal I stick to it and pay up.
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Thirdworld
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I don't know who did what to whom, but it does bring up something... One reason a lot of the tourist industry doesn't like to deal with mongers down here is not for moral reasons.. It's because they spend like crazy on booze and chicas, but are hard to squeeze a nickle out of for anything else.... Got a buddy in sportsfishing who definitely goes to the DR and such spots but can't stand it when he gets a group of mongers... He always has to chase, renegociate, beg, borrow and steal to get paid... Just as a disclaimer, I have no side in this matter.... Just something to think about....
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Sounds like Brother Thirdword is describing typical addict behavior.

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Sounds as if the real root of the problem was a willingness to be to nice, to flexible, and to accomodating with the "payment in full upon arrival" policy. Fundamentally, if one is to nice, to accomodating, or to generous to people they will invariably take advantage of you, even if they are by nature good people. This is business...if they don't have the money show them the door. Instead of being inconvenienced yourself, let them be inconveninced by havng to drive around town in a taxi at there own expense looking for an available hotel room (when they could be spending their time hunting and banging chicas).

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IMHO policy is policy. God knows we all shake our heads at various properties policy, but if you don't agree simply don't stay there.

Totally unethical to have a hotel manager chasing you around the city in various mongering venues just for you to pony up your payment.
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Interesting thread..... :?

IMO - Zebra, IceColdOne and Jmac are right on the money!

Zebra wrote:
Like they say "...There's two sides to every story."


There's definitely 2 sides to every story. I'm glad that Casa Vino decided to defend himself / his business by posting his side of the story, so others can decide for themselves.

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...Sounds as if the real root of the problem was a willingness to be to nice, to be flexible, and to be accomodating with the "payment in full upon arrival" policy....

...This is business...if they don't have the money show them the door...


I agree. Business is business!

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IMHO policy is policy. God knows we all shake our heads at various properties policy, but if you don't agree simply don't stay there.


Exactly! There are many places, in mongering venues all over the world, where we may not agree with their policies. But noone's forcing you to stay anywhere!

Basically, here's my take on this situation :
- If you don't like the establishment's dress code... DON'T STAY THERE! :!:
- If you don't like the prices of the establishment... DON'T STAY THERE! :!:
- If you don't like chica fees at the establishment... DON'T STAY THERE! :!:
- If you don't like the location of the establishment... DON'T STAY THERE! :!:
- If you don't like the policies of the establishment... DON'T STAY THERE! :!:
There's probably a million more things one could add to this list. But it goes to show you - My tag line is applicable to more than just chica's.... NEXT !

On one hand - Running a business in CR is difficult enough, without having to chase someone down for monies owed.
On the other hand - It's very simple, and has been stated above - Policy is policy! Why was Florida allowed to stay at CV after he stated (right from the beginning) that he had no intention of complying with CV's policy of payment up front ? I'm sure CV won't make that mistake again.

Since none of us were there, it's difficult to point fingers – or to say who's right or wrong. But I certainly would've liked to have seen this issue resolved via back channels or with Admin1's help. From what I've seen and heard from other CRT'ers, Casa Vino has always been a good and reputable CRT sponsor, with little very negative feed-back.

Either way, it's an unfortunate situation. And I hope both parties can work it out.

MG :roll:

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In our time running Casa Vino it was our pleasure to meet and work with a great many of you. I count many of you as my friends. I really appreciate the opportunity I had to serve you.

Unfortunately, my experiences with this particular guest have been anything but pleasurable. Florida was constantly working the angles, always looking to get out of paying what he owed. No matter how good of a deal I gave him, he was looking get more and more and more. To top it off, he was a real jerk about it.

On his most recent stay he arrived and announced upon arrival that he was not going to pay until later, knowing full well what our policy has been all these years was payment upon arrival. After lengthy re-negotiations, I gave him yet another discount on top of his normal cash discount, which by the way was substantially less than the CRT discount. (essentially 50% off and he wasn't happy with that) Only problem was he didn’t have all the cash. I received part payment with a promise to get the rest the next day. I spent three days trying to track him down. This was not new.

On his previous visit, I was out of town and another highly respected CRT member agreed to help me out. Upon arrival Florida first came up with a bogus excuse for not paying upon arrival. Florida took full advantage of the situation. This CRT Member had to spend days tracking him down to collect payment. Finally, hours before Florida’s departure he collected the cash, less $300 than what he owed.

For those that know me and those that know Florida, I will let our reputations speak for themselves. I have nothing further to add to this subject.

Again, thank you to all of you that gave us your business. There are a great bunch of guys here.

Admin, please remove my proper name from the post. THANKS


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Mucho Gusto wrote:

Basically, here's my take on this situation :
- If you don't like the establishment's dress code... DON'T STAY THERE! :!:
- If you don't like the prices of the establishment... DON'T STAY THERE! :!:
- If you don't like chica fees at the establishment... DON'T STAY THERE! :!:
- If you don't like the location of the establishment... DON'T STAY THERE! :!:
- If you don't like the policies of the establishment... DON'T STAY THERE! :!:

MG :roll:


If you pay them cash, then they double charge your card, and refuse to refund the overcharge - DONT STAY THERE
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If you pay them cash, then they double charge your card, and refuse to refund the overcharge - DONT STAY THERE


That has happened to you?

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If you're going to pay in cash, why would you even present a credit card? :?


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Irish Drifter wrote:
Triple FFF wrote:
If you pay them cash, then they double charge your card, and refuse to refund the overcharge - DONT STAY THERE


That has happened to you?


Not to me but to brother Florida at the CV.
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Zebra wrote:
If you're going to pay in cash, why would you even present a credit card? :?


Perhaps you have not traveled too much but...Most hotels and motels in the world won't check you in if you don't give them an imprint of your CC. They typically put a reserve charge on the card based on your time of stay and the room rate.

When you check out you may choose to leave the charges on the card or pay cash.

In CR many lodging establishments will offer a discount if you pay cash at check out helping them to avoid the tourist taxes.

Exceptions to the CC imprint include love hotels, Hotel Johnson, and various rooming / boarding houses.
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Triple FFF wrote:
Irish Drifter wrote:
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If you pay them cash, then they double charge your card, and refuse to refund the overcharge - DONT STAY THERE


That has happened to you?


Not to me but to brother Florida at the CV.


There seems to be some dispute about what occurred between Florida and Casa Vino.

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Triple FFF
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Perhaps, but there are emails and receipts that are at the basis of the Bank of America disputed charges that seem to have merit.

Without taking sides, this will be resolved in due course based on evidence of fact by serious people, not on a flipping board by a bunch of whankers like us, present company included.
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Zebra
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Yeah.....After thinking about it, I guess they do want your card info when making a reservation. I'm used to staying at the same place every time I go to CR, and no mention is ever made of a card when I make a reservation, and I always pay them cash in advance the day I arrive.
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