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With all the discussions and advice on this board I wonder what percentage of the people visiting the DelRey on any given day are CRT members or even readers of this board.

Does anyone have a feel for this ?

Why I ask is because many times there are comments by members on how mongers should behave, what they should be paying, advice on tipping and also safety issues. If more than 50% (I think) of mongers have the same basic training that CRT members have there is a good chance that CRT values and behavior could prevail and everyone will benefit from it and more newbies could have a positive experience.

OTH if mongers aware of this board is less than 20% (I think) then there is no chance of CRT people exerting a positive influnce.

Part of the reason why I think about this is that IMHO the chicas at DelRey behave in a more random fashion so you have a greater degree of YMMV.

OTH at the SL where a much larger percentage of CRT people hang out the chicas seem to be more consistent in attitude and behavior.

Am I just hallucinating or is there something in this theory ?

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Firstly, the girls at SL are more apt to be on good behavior because they know the service they provide follows them. Also Bill doesn't put up with too much shit if they get stupid..

Secondly, if you are a part of CRT or not it shouldn't matter. If guys acted the same way they do in CR as they do at thier local club or whatever, everything would be cool.

Instead some guys get so charged up at the notion that they can get laid from these girls, they act all stupid.


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Great questions but impossible to quantify. Too many gringos just get on a plane to get a quickie in CR. Of those how many are web savvy or heard of CRT? The list goes on and you got some dwindling numbers. I have met so many gringos that have never heard of CRT. I preach but there are just so many.



IMHO – At the HDR, we are no where near 50%, probably more in the 5%-10% range and that will not make a dent. I know Colombianas that will command $150-$200 and there is no way we can change that because they are getting the money from douche bags that do not know any better. You can negotiate until you are blue in the face and she knows that there will be someone coming down that elevator that will paid for it. So when someone says that the pull a 9-10 Colombiana at $60 at the HDR, take it with a grain of salt. Chicas are savvy and more experience that most of us on this game.



Many of the SL regulars are either establish members or become members by the fact that the SL will give them a discount. Last week I met two gentlemen at the SL that became members when they check in at the SL for the only reason than to get the room discount. I do think that you are into something. IMHO, if the members that normally stay at the HDR find other hotels or we can boycott any expenditures at the HDR, ex. Liquor, gambling, food, from the exclusion of picking up girls (I’m not crazy). We might make enough of a ripple effect that will “encourage” the HDR management to not only implement a discount program and be a CRT sponsor but to even promote CRT VIP membership and this might trickle down to a more knowledgeable monger base at the HDR.

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A few years ago, while at Hotel del Rey, I saw a guy asking a chica if she would give him a "Costa Rica Ticas discount". He showed her his CRT card, but she was obviously confused and walked away.

I couldn't help it and was burst out laughing.

Brother Dildoman--OTOH, If you don't at least ask, you'll never get. Don't suppose you'd care to reveal the name of this obviously befuddled Brother, eh?

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I would STILL be laughing...great story Can't you see it now? "Bend over (insert Chica name here), I wanna swipe my CRT card."

My dos colones...

On an average - how many Del Rey patrons are CRT members ? I would guess less than 2 percent. When you think about the 10's of thousands of customers they have on an annual basis, IMO we're barely a blip on the radar, and have little effect on factors like policy, pricing, attitudes, behavior, tipping, etc. Naturally, YMMV!

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Isra123,

I think you're totally missing the point and fishing around for justifications to do whatever you want - especially in regards to tipping.

First of all, lets be clear, anyone who thinks that CRT by itself has that influential a presence in the HDR is seriously deluding themselves. Clearly CRT collectively has extremely little real impact on a place like the HDR. Besides that, even IF you believed EVERY guy in the HDR actually WERE CRTers, not even every CRT follows the same rules of behavior. OTOH, even if you accept the fact that most of the guys in the HDR aren't CRTers, its not like there aren't also many who belong to other P4P Hobby Boards like ISG, Club Hombre, et al where the same issues of behavior, tipping, etc. come up. So a better question MIGHT be how many guys in the HDR aren't members of any board or better yet how many guys in the HDR, whether they belong to any hobby board or not, abandon all common sense or regard for how things are best done or even never understood those things to begin with? And the answer to that question, unfortunately, is way more than enough.

So my second point is regardless of how all CRTers, or even all hobby forum members, behave there will always be enough greenhorns who don't have a clue and veterans who don't give a damn in well known and popular places like the HDR, that will offset anything that one individual CRT member does. We like to talk about how if one chica doesn't agree to our terms there are always 9 others that will. Well, the same sort of thing applies to chicas. If 9 gringos don't agree to their terms, there will always be at least 1 that will - and all it takes is one. THEREFORE, the entire premise of your question is to a large degree irrelevant.

My third point and probably my most important concerns what seems to me to be your implied conclusion which is because there is no chance of CRT people exerting a positive influence then somehow it doesn't matter we all do. That's sort of like suggesting if so many other people pollute and waste natural resources, then it doesn't matter what we do as individuals and we might as well do the same. There are lots of guys who act like boorish assholes in the HDR, who disrespect the chicas and exhibit all sorts of undesirable behavior. Why don't we all just emulate them? That doesn't make much sense does it and yet this seems to be the sort of logic you're applying in the case of our standards of behavior at the HDR.

The reason that I inferred this is because I've seen a common thread in some of your other posts that suggests to me that you're a guy who pays the higher rates and then still tips generously. You call yourself SoftBob and that seems appropriate to me given some of your comments about the chica's being exploited or, in the case of MPs, the poor girls having to split their money with the house, even though no one puts a gun to any of their heads to agree to those "low" rates so many guys get them to agree to and even though those "low" rates amount to substantially more than the sort of amounts regular working ticos normally can make. So this latest post seems like just one more attempt by you to find some justification for you to do what you've been doing all along in the face of whatever logic and reason we can throw at you.

Its not about changing anyone's behavior or even undoing the consequences of that behavior. Its about what we do ourselves as individuals and not making matters even worse.

I have one final point I'd like to add. It doesn't really matter much to me what guys do at pickup bars like the HDR/BM or even MP's like the HLH/ZB. As those places have largely already been ruined by heavy tippers and, in the case of the HDR/BM, guys who agree to outrageous* "hourly" rates (*by local standards). I only go in those places anymore to meet with friends, view the talent and occasionally pick up one of the few chicas who are still semi-reasonable, but never with any great expectations. As you so astutely pointed out, the chicas at places like the SL are much more reasonable probably as a result of operating in an pool stocked with mostly more experienced or at least better schooled mongers. An equally apt and more important observation would be to remark not so much on the number of CRTers at the "Tico MP'
s", but on the number of gringos in general. As relatively few and far between are CRT'ers in gringo spots like the HDR, gringos in general are few and far between at most "Tico MP's". At least for now. Fortunately or unfortunately, that is changing more and more every day thanks to the work of guys like BB and others. Currently the standard at these places, certainly at least for the ticos who go there, is not to tip AT ALL. I'm sure that some or even many gringos have been breaking that tradition, hopefully at least not too heavily. All that it will take at these places is for a FEW foolish gringo guys to start tipping too lavishly, to make some of those chicas to start to expect it from ALL of us gringos whenever we show up. And once that starts happening you're on the slippery slope where service quality begins to slide without the promise of equally lavish tips.

For me places like the HDR/BM are pretty much a lost cause (not that for my part I'm about to start agreeing to $80+ per hour PLUS a huge tip on top of that for the quality of service I can get for half as much elsewhere). I can only hope that the ignorant or unthinking guys that go to gringo places like that STICK to places like that and don't spread their habits beyond it.

Great point MG. So with that said, all the advice in the world doesn't change the fact that it's all on you. I mean when it comes down to it, each of us has to bat for themselves.

Having a good handle on how to chat up girls in general will pull you through more then any other advice. So to me, ultimately I like to feel it doesn't matter what others pay, if it's a "buyers" or "sellers" market, and so on because I'm still going to have the same good time. A chica knows I could give a phuck less if she can get a guy to pay $200 or more.


Cujo

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Hmm...sounds pretty jaded, if correct. If your premise is these establishments are better for throwing back a few and burping with the guys, I agree. And while there are plenty of options beyond these establishments in SJ, I can't seem to get excited enough to pull the lever on CR again - at least for the moment.

I used to hunt with my father and we'd occasionally come to a location where the brush seemed "tamped down." We knew that meant a lot of hunters had recently swarmed the area, so we would high-tail it. That's what I'm reminded of. Gambling doesn't do anything for me, one drink in a 24-hour period is perfect, and I like to be the only gringo with 10 or 15 young, fresh, unspoiled girls within walking distance. So I go to Colombia.

Rio has more hunting pressure than suits me (lotta sausage in the termas), but it's so huge, you can still find superb action, pro and non. Plus, if all else fails, there's that beach in Ipanema.

There's nothing else I need...

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I agree with Cujo and also agree that the "CRT factor" is very small.

The girls are looking for men who are easily manipulated. "Buy me a drink" is nothing more than a fishing expedition to see how easily the man will give up his money.

If you are the kind of guy who goes ga-ga over pretty women, who just can't say "NO", who falls in love easily when a girl whispers the right things in his ear while stroking his johnson, then the Costa Rica independents are probably not for you (see Rolltide...). The massage parlors may be more up your alley. Otherwise, I suggest the Asian continent where girls have less game and are much more willing to do whatever the gringo wants just because he paid the money.

If, on the other hand, you have a good grip on your ego, are accustomed to being in the presence of a multitude of scantily clad and willing beauties, can say "NO...act right", are not afraid to show pretty young thing the door if she can't get with the program, then Costa Rica may be your cup of tea. It is all up to you.

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Very well said Pac

Like anything else in life...success is what you put into it.

Some game, some more Spanish, and the right attitude go a hell of a lot farther toward getting to the next level with the chicas than money does. That seems very well documented on this board. IMHO

Many good posts here.I would like to add that for those of us who normaly pay$50-$80 at DR-we should not get angry with a girl for accepting or a gentleman for paying more.As for DR vs. SL girls/prices-the ratio of girls to guys at DR is always better than at SL and available 24 hours.In the end as someone else wrote it is what you make of it.Softbob do and spend whatever you want as it will not have a great affect on anyone else.

Some pretty good posts and I keep reading a recurring theme. It is one that I practice a lot.

We cannot control the actions and behavior of others but we can decide how to conduct ourselves. I find that there are many people who get angry about some people's poor behavior and feel that they should should act the same way to "get even" or should try to "educate" or "change" them.

I feel that it is best to ignore other's poor behavior and to continue to live your life by the values in which you believe. I cannot control what other people do but I can control what I do. We all have to be able to look at ourselves in the mirror and live with ourselves. If you can pay $250/hr for a DR chica and feel good about, then so be it. Most of us would feel like asses for paying a colone more than $60-$80.

The thing is, neither is WRONG. Even if all of the HDR patrons were CRT VIPs there is such a large specrum of personalities that we will never be able to ALL behave the same way. Just like the VIP asking the chica for a CRT discount , some will never get it!

Should we be upset? You could be but it would do you no good. I recommend that you shine-it-on and worry about yourself, being grateful for what we have here on this forum and all that it brings us.

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