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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:36 pm 
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i don't think it even has to do with noise or volume. just being aware that approaching or ogling young women on the street like it is your choice of what happens next is appalling.
i have seen young women, yes they were free lancing or at least testing the waters, being chatted up on a public street while hundreds of locals looked on in dismay. i have never felt such negative energy in my life.
imo its a just a simple matter of respect. sure the deal is the deal but try for one moment to imagine large contingents of rich costa ricans coming to america to buy YOUR daughters. if they were flaunting it as though they owned the place how long would it take before YOU became angry.
as far as going to dinner with a girl i think thats the least of what perpetuates the poor attitudes towards gringos. jmho.


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You are right LaDiablo. It is about dignity and respect. To me it is disrespectful, not only to the young woman but to the social structure of Costa Rica, to flaunt the young lady as if she is on parade; to loudly, boastfully and crudely draw attention to oneself as if the vulgar display had meaning. My point is that we need to ensure that those who would be crude and vulgar do not do so here. How do we do that?


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We don't.

We can set a good example but there will always be the obnoxious a-hole who thinks buying a girl makes her his trophy.

Personally, I took offense at the title of the thread. But then, I don't look at them as "ho's" and I will boot when and if I feel like it.

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LaDiablo wrote:

sure the deal is the deal but try for one moment to imagine large contingents of rich costa ricans coming to america to buy YOUR daughters. if they were flaunting it as though they owned the place how long would it take before YOU became angry.
as far as going to dinner with a girl i think thats the least of what perpetuates the poor attitudes towards gringos. jmho.


Awesome, Awesome post!!!! Thanks. I just hope more guys get it!!!!!


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Pac 55 -- you have my deepest respect, as a professional and as a monger/poster. Some day I will meet you.

Permit me to tell you a little story.

Years ago, when the “new” New York Bar had just moved from the s+it hole next to Centerfolds on Avineda 1, to its present location, there was some Gringo in there ("new" New York Bar) who was out-of-his-mind-drunk. He was acting a fool and wanted to get alid but did not know how to go about communicating his desire. It was really pitiful. He was probably too drunk to get it up. I did not know what to do so I simply helped this drunken Gringo back to the HDR and had the security guard aim him toward his room.

The positive side is that he was no longer in harms way; he was no longer insulting the feminine flowers of the Costa Rican youth; AND he was no longer bringing a bad name upon the serious mongers of the gulch (read that as drawing attention to our hobby).


It was a small thing but nevertheless I think an important step in protecting both our image as Americans and our HOBBY. That is part of what we can do.


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One of my friends, who was just here, is much like the rest of us: keep it low keys, quiet and don’t be the UGLY AMERICAN.

He was in BCR changing money. Some guy who spoke English was being foolish over the exchange rate. He wanted more money than he was entitled to.

You and I would make him as a Brit immediately because of the strong accent. He was NOT an American or Canadian. God love the Brits. After the guy acted like a complete fool and then left unrewarded for his boisterous complaints, my friend tried to make sure that everyone in the BCR knew the guy was British not American or Canadian.

We (Americans) are often get blamed for the misbehavior of others who speak English. With deep familial ties in the frozen northland of Canada, I have never known Canucks to be loud and boisterous (except on the ice). But the mother land (Brits) that's another story!


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:13 pm 
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DiegoC wrote:
... I have never known Canucks to be loud and boisterous (except on the ice). But the mother land (Brits) that's another story!


LOL! Boy did you miss that boat. My mother's side is French Canadian and they can be as obnoxious as any Brit. I was brought up under Pink Floyd's The Wall scenario in the islands and know a bit about the Brits too.

It's truly amazing how we "white" folk can misbehave in public.

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Point bien prises. Vous avez raison. Les Français sont les Français. Ils sont difficiles à oublier, mais je ne l'ai.


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Diegoc, Pacman and several others make the most sense. I don't like people that want to regulate my behavior.

Not only that it doesnt work. Perhaps the OP is just ashamed of what he does and hides it?, others not so ashamed. No offense directed.

If it is really absurd behavior he is talking about then its just a waste of time, because adults either know how to behave or they dont, they aren't going to suddenly learn it here. Maybe some nuances can be taught.

While I certainly follow the be polite, I'm a guest philosophy, in general, I dont feel I have to meet any particular Tico standard or nceessarily master their language. I find learning foreign languages fun and helpful tho. Has been a major advantage in latin america & asia for me.

There are many foreign people here in the US and the only people I know who demand they speak English everywhere and obey all (perceived) customs are the overly bigotted types. There is a difference between humble respect and being an "uncle tom", if you will.

...."if you brothers keep walking down the street with yo' white women, the man gonna get upset and take his wrath out on all of us"

I find thinking that you KNOW what others feel and think can also be a fairly non-productive expenditure. While you are noticing the 3 Ticos who have expressions that indicate displeasure with the old dude at the table with the young gal, you miss the other 5 quiet people noticing you sitting alone an thinking: at least the old man and girl are human if not goofy, but look at the wierdo by himself, do you think he was punking one of our little boys last night and then kicked him to the curb? You just never know. Quit trying to meet the standards of some "ideal" monger.

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oh yea....and:

Happy Thanksgiving to All!!

I got some cranberry sauce thats need to get across town....later.

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Johnarizona wrote:
Diegoc, Pacman and several others make the most sense. I don't like people that want to regulate my behavior.

Not only that it doesnt work. Perhaps the OP is just ashamed of what he does and hides it?, others not so ashamed. No offense directed.

While I certainly follow the be polite, I'm a guest philosophy, in general, I dont feel I have to meet any particular Tico standard or nceessarily master their language.

I find thinking that you KNOW what others feel and think can also be a fairly non-productive expenditure. While you are noticing the 3 Ticos who have expressions that indicate displeasure with the old dude at the table with the young gal, you miss the other 5 quiet people noticing you sitting alone an thinking: at least the old man and girl are human if not goofy, but look at the wierdo by himself, do you think he was punking one of our little boys last night and then kicked him to the curb?


The bottom line is that there is a backlash that is brewing in Costa Rica.

I believe that there is a growing sense in Costa Rica that "we have gotten what we want out of the Gringos (and Nicas and Colombians) and now we don't need them and it is time to reclaim our country for ourselves".

There is a better than even chance that the current Vice President (a woman) will win the election after Aris is gone she is going to push hard to make prostitution illegal. The proposed immigration law is going to make it much more difficult for Gringos to gain residency in Costa Rica, in fact many current residents will be forced to leave.

It is true that Americas do not have a monopoly on ugly behavior. Shesh, no one mentioned the Germans, they certainly have their share too. But that is besides the point.

The truth is, Costa Rica allows for a great deal more freedom and personal liberty than what we have in the US. What I don't understand is why so many of us feel like they have the right to abuse the privilege of the liberty that you are given here.

It does not take that much effort to be discrete with your puta. That is all they ask, that is all they expect. Is that too much to ask for?


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Phantom - You are so right - "just be discrete with your puta;" It should be repeated over and over again until it becomes second nature with every monger who comes near in the Gultch.

Without constant vigilence, it seems to be human nature to become arrogant, careless and foolish leading to the loss of the things one prizes the most.


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In my opinion if you enjoyed the girl and had a great session and evening and wanted her company at breakfast too, then who gives a phuck if there are people snickering behind my back. I personally like to have them move along when I’m done but I am trying to see it from the perspective of being in my late 60’s or 70’s. Who knows, I might just enjoy more of a conversation then. Lol

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I like both, I started taking Spanish recently and believe this will allow longer sessions to be more gfe like. While at the beach I think I prefer taking a gal along as the bar scene is not my cup of tea. In san jose I mostly like to do the deed and then relax with a stogie either by myself or with fellow mongers. I do also have a favorite or two that I also like to go out to eat with before the session. They don't look like the typical hooker and are rather elegant.


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DiegoC wrote:
Phantom - You are so right - "just be discrete with your puta;" It should be repeated over and over again until it becomes second nature with every monger who comes near in the Gultch.

Without constant vigilence, it seems to be human nature to become arrogant, careless and foolish leading to the loss of the things one prizes the most.


I certainly agree that we should be discreet with the girls, but also respectful towards them. However, IMO, the statement 'be discrete with your puta' demonstrates an inherant disrespect towards prostitutes. They do not like to be referred to as putas and to refer to them as such, continually, is 'arrogant, careless and foolish.' Just my opinion, FWIW.

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