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...fossils like Jorge Mas Canosa of the CANF.

I have a hunch that you ignore that JMC died almost 11 years ago (November 23, 1997)!!!

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Opening Cuba to mongering would be a nice benefit. Atl to cuba would change my CR schedule a lot. Damn, I knew there was some upside. I just have to do it before my wealth is redistibuted.


FYI: It remains illegal for citizens of the USA to travel to Cuba. I wouldn't discuss it until it's legal. It's easy to get to and from Havana from San Jose and there are many, many nice little and most affordable packages in high quality hotels; All inclusive deals for 4days 3nights, etc. Still, it's just not legal for a USA citizen to visit Cuba, irrespective of where you travel from. Getting hit with the fine will only redistribute your wealth all the quicker.

I might be wrong (once again) but I don't think that those all inclusive deals are attractive for mongers. You can't take visitors to those places, specially not Cubans.
In Cuba there are plenty of women available, the problem is finding a place to phuck them.

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U. S. citizens contemplating travel to Cuba should make Prolijo's post a personal "sticky", especially the 3 links. Some of the info is a little out of date (about not needing passports for Mexico or the Caribbean), but overall, invaluable. The embedded link in the 1st link to Lonely Planet Thorntree discussion board has great value, and also the advice in the last 2 links about keeping the National Lawyers Guild contact info in your wallet if the worst happens. Finally, the advice to take along some desparately-needed medicines even the OTC variety is just a nice thing to do, as well as making your trip more legally defensible. However, read it all and follow the advice closely. Have big fun and come back to the U. S. safely.
Maybe soon all these plots and ploys won't be necessary...

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The last 2 links tend to promote the packages as well, but still contain a lot of good info. However, that first link for Cuba-Junky really SHOULD be bookmarked by anyone thinking of going to Cuba. The old cuban guy that runs it (Pototo) has been highly recommended on many travel websites. You can also google "casa particular" to find several sites that list a wide range of the unofficial mini-hotels and rental apartments that I was talking about earlier. And ISG is a good source of more monger related information on the best places to go and stay for that sort of thing.

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That Jorge Mas Canosa gaffe goes to show much I keep up on S. FL politics since I moved to Tampa 15 years ago. But it also illustrates my point that most of the original anti-Castro players have already been dying off for quite some time. Thanks for pointing out my error though. :)


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Sadly, I do think that there is any politician in the United States willing to make things easier for mongerers, pot smokers or any other sane individuals seeking to enjoy their bodily autonomy.

Apparently terminating a pregnancy is the full extent of the "liberal" belief in the notion that we have full power over our own bodies. It would seem that killing a fetus would be more controversial than exchanging sex for money or smoking a joint, but sadly it is not.

The only thing Obama may do is stem the tide of our unfavorable international relations, specifically those resultant from our disdainful treatment of foreigners. How long before every country retaliates toward the U.S. policy of fingerprinting and retinal scanning foreign visitors? Before long, visa processes and security procedures will be positively burdensome unless we do something to ease them for the rest of the world. I think he can make progress on that front, but that is about it vis-a-vis mongering.


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Prolijo wrote:
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That Jorge Mas Canosa gaffe goes to show much I keep up on S. FL politics since I moved to Tampa 15 years ago. But it also illustrates my point that most of the original anti-Castro players have already been dying off for quite some time. Thanks for pointing out my error though. :)


To get back to my earlier post, I should have added the word 'vehement'anti-Castro Cuban-Americans who may have voted for Obama. What I was getting at is that I was curious how many people who had voted for Obama would have changed their vote if he had indicated he wanted to normalize relations with Cuba.

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I agree with Brother Squidface that 1 man can't change the attitude of the world...if he will agree to add the word "back". Sadly, 1 man did change that attitude, in a very negative way and it will be a long time before they see us in a truly positive way.

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Bilko wrote:
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Gypsy,
That Jorge Mas Canosa gaffe goes to show much I keep up on S. FL politics since I moved to Tampa 15 years ago. But it also illustrates my point that most of the original anti-Castro players have already been dying off for quite some time. Thanks for pointing out my error though. :)


To get back to my earlier post, I should have added the word 'vehement'anti-Castro Cuban-Americans who may have voted for Obama. What I was getting at is that I was curious how many people who had voted for Obama would have changed their vote if he had indicated he wanted to normalize relations with Cuba.



I think Cuba will be open to Americans before long regardless of who is in office. Their own political climate is changing and apart from pockets of Cuban-Americans and a few reactionary white folks, there will be fewer and fewer people who actually believe that China, Russia and other nations should enjoy favorable relations while Cuba should continue to be treated as a pariah.

The transition away from Fidel will begin this process and Cuba will become a sort of Disneyworld. It may not happen under Obama but it won't take too much longer.


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I agree with Brother Squidface that 1 man can't change the attitude of the world...if he will agree to add the word "back". Sadly, 1 man did change that attitude, in a very negative way and it will be a long time before they see us in a truly positive way.
That is a great response though sad but true. It could take a long time to undo the damage that Bush has done with his cowboy-the-hell-with-you-we'll-just-do-what-we-want diplomacy. Hopefully, it won't take another World Trade Center type terrorist to shift the entire world back to our side. Come to think of it, that is another example, albeit in a very different way, where 1 man, Osama bin Laden, (or was that 19 men?) solehandedly radically changed the attitude of the world.

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I also liked your post. I think it will be a combination of economic realities and political realities that will lead to the loosening of restrictions (if not normalization of relations) sooner rather than later. Various US multinationals like Hilton, Marriott, Harrahs and Bally's are salivating at the prospects, as are US oil and agriculture interests. European MNC's (particularly Spanish ones like Barcelo et al) are already lining up and establishing their connections to cash in on the flow when the US finally drops its embargo. And even monied Cuban families in Florida like the Bacardis may not be huge fans of Castro but are just as anxious to swoop in and grab what they feel is their entitled share of the profits when things lift. Politically speaking you are absolutely right. Regardless of how you feel about the Cuban regime, or even because of it, it makes absolutely no sense to continue a failed policy of isolation that mainly serves to make the people of Cuba suffer and give the government someone else to blame their failings on. Particularly, when we practice the policy of constructive engagement with so many other equally repressive and brutal regimes.

Of course, the change won't come in the form of full normalization or relations without any change on the part of the Cuban government. However, a carrot and stick approach like we've practiced more or less successfully with such countries as Libya and North Korea can lead to softening of positions on BOTH sides.


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Not for nothing, but the leadership of Iran has sent a congratulatory message to President-Elect Obama. This a beacon of hope (that we and they may engage in some kind of dialogue) even if it does enrage certain elements in the U. S. I just hope Mr. Obama doubles or triples the Secret Service budget and that his new Cadillac is protection enough (see Autoweek last week for a peek).

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YO Pro:

"It could take a long time to undo the damage that Bush has done with his cowboy-the-hell-with-you-we'll-just-do-"

Are you that naive? I'm surprised with your seemingly intellectual mind that you assume the Muslim world seeks only our friendly cooperation.....yea , right. The President had to be bold or else the Muslim world would have envisioned us as weak. These people are out to destroy this country and if we lay down ........it will be our demise.

I'm glad that we have had a strong voice against Muslim intervention.....I wonder what our next President, B.H. Obama will do. It's in his court so to speak.

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Circus,
For the mercy of our fellow members, I won't call you naive or misguided and I don't want to get into a political debate with you. Especially not about the Middle East which is not exactly a prime mongering part of the world anyway. Why don't we keep this thread semi on topic and limit this discussion to what a new administration might mean to our relations with Cuba, which IS potentially a prime mongering destination.

BTW, just curious, and you don't have to answer but why do you conservatives seem so fixated on emphasizing Barack Obama's middle name (or initial)? And don't try to tell me its just because thats his name. After all, you ONLY hear those who don't like him use it and you never hear ANYONE talking about John SIDNEY McCain. Could it be some lame sort of way to continue to suggest that Obama is secretly a muslim, even though he clearly is not? Frankly, I can't see any other possible reason for it.

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Circus wrote:
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"It could take a long time to undo the damage that Bush has done with his cowboy-the-hell-with-you-we'll-just-do-"

Are you that naive? I'm surprised with your seemingly intellectual mind that you assume the Muslim world seeks only our friendly cooperation.....yea , right. The President had to be bold or else the Muslim world would have envisioned us as weak. These people are out to destroy this country and if we lay down ........it will be our demise.

I'm glad that we have had a strong voice against Muslim intervention.....I wonder what our next President, B.H. Obama will do. It's in his court so to speak.


Yo, Circus, where have you being for the last 7 years? We have been trying to strong arm the Muslim world with the result of an exponential increase of terrorist that now want to kill us. I do not know about you but I could live in a world with fewer bastards sniping at my head.

Since Bush and Cheney have prove that the use of force as an initial preventive action does not work, maybe a different approach might work, like trying not to meddle on their affairs per se?

BTW, in case you have not figure out yet, we have already lost this war. Unless you yourself can hijack a plane and crashed against their Mecca, then we are lost because there are 20+ million Muslim that we will not think twice to do the same to us.

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Mongers will never be accepted or embraced by anyone but fellow mongers who understand this crazy sport :) ! Hell I have enough trouble understanding it all myself but it sure has been FUN & really worth while....glad I have found other men like myself to try to get a better grip on all that T&A that is out there :twisted: !

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I have found some pretty good porn videos featuring Iranian and other Arab women. Actually, I see quite a few knockouts on Facebook and MySpace from Lebanon and other Arab destinations. I would not want to see them bombed to "Smitherines". Yet, because of all the anti-American sentiments over there from whatever the cause...not sure I am ready to monger there either. Actually, they are much like the USA in regards to hypocracy on sexuality. I guess ALL religions are full of such hypocracies really... :roll:

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