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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:04 am 
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New immigration draft would require more income

By the A.M. Costa Rica staff


The Arias administration has come up with a rewrite of its proposed immigration law that jacks up financial requirements for pensionados to $2,000 a month and for rentistas to $5,000.

Pensionados now must show a monthly income of at least $600. Rentistas must show a continuing income of at least $1,000 a month.

The law also appears to say that, if passed, pensionados and rentistias will be required to meet the new, higher requirements when they renew their permission to stay in the country.

The proposed law, which the legislature published in the La Gaceta official newspaper last week, also would require that all foreigners, whatever their status, temporary or permanent, would have to join the Caja Costarricense de Seguro Social. That agency provides medical care and other services, but many expats already have medical coverage.

Tourists would not be required to join the Caja, and the proposed law is silent on so-called perpetual tourists, who live in Costa Rica and circumvent the spirit of the tourism category by leaving the country every 90 days. The law also is silent on the category of inversionista except to list it as one of the temporary classes of residency.

The law also established fines for those who employ illegal residents, including tourists who do not have the right to work here. Fines can range over 600,000 colons (about $1,090) for every illegal employee.

The immigration department would have six months instead of the current three months to process residency applications.

The tone of the law has changed from a simple summary of immigration rules to what the preface calls a judicial instrument against criminality and corruption in immigration.

For expats, the news will be troubling. Javier Zavaleta of Residency in Costa Rica noted that the $2,000 a month requirement is near the top of what U.S. citizens could get as Social Security payments. Many U.S. citizens use their Social Security income to show they have the finances to live here as a pensionado. The U.S. Embassy staff also has produced Social Security documents that the immigration department accepts.

Zavaleta, who brought the changes to the attention of A.M. Costa Rica, said he would be posting a summary to his Web site. He said he was bracing for a flood of applicants who wanted to take advantage of the existing law in case the proposal is passed.

"I think the proposed income requirements for the pensionado and rentista programs are outrageously high," Zavaleta said, "and that they will only serve to drive away those individuals and families who are considering Costa Rica as their retirement destination. I can’t imagine how the Asamblea arrived at those amounts. It’s very disappointing."

The current rentista regulation says an applicant in that category must have a continual monthly income of at least $1,000. Informally the immigration department accepts proof that an applicant has $60,000 in a bank.

If the proposal is passed and immigration officials insist on proof of five years of income, an applicant would have to show a bank deposit of $300,000 or an investment generating at least $5,000 a month. An applicant would need to have about $1.7 million in savings at the current rates

Monthy income requirements


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of return to show a continual income of $5,000 a month.

The country has been plagued by fake marriages contracted by powers of attorney with willing Costa Ricans, most of whom received pay for agreeing to the scam. The proposed law provides that a foreigner seeking to gain residency here with a marriage to a Costa Rican has to show that the union has been consummated. In addition, the proposed law spells out year-to-year requirements that the couple stays together. The foreign spouse could get residency only after three years.

For tourists who overstay their visas, the proposal law would assess $100 for each month in excess of the legal period. Another section, speaking about those who overstay their visa period in general, specifies a fine of $25 per month but the individual would not be able to return to the country for three times the period of illegality. Legal tourists would be able to extend their stay here for 90 days more by paying $100, the proposal says.

The proposal also lengthens the time someone staying here legally as a temporary resident, pensionado, rentista or inversionista, could seek permanent residency from the current three years to five.

The measure is in the Comisión Permanente de Gobierno y Administración. If passed, the law would update one passed in 2005 during the Abel Pacheco administration. The Arias administration was critical of the 2005 law and called in draconian.

So shortly after taking office, President Óscar Arias Sánchez and his ministers drafted a new proposal that was supposed to be more observant of human rights. Among other objections, the Catholic bishops expressed concern that those running refugees for illegal immigrants would face legal action. The proposed law exempts from prosecution those sheltering illegals for humanitarian reasons. But ordinary hotel owners could be punished for housing illegals.

The preamble said that this new proposal comes after more than 800 hours of discussions among officials, the Defensoría de los Habitantes, human rights groups, non-governmental organizations, the state universities, employers, and others.

The new draft gives more authority to the director general de Migración y Extranjería. The Consejo de Migración is reduced to an advisory body. That group had trouble meeting because funds were not available to pay per diems for members. The consejo used to decide on residency applications.

The draft would award 7 billion colons (about $13 million) to restructure the agency to carry out the new law. The proposal also includes a 5 percent raise for immigration employees, except for the director and the subdirector.

The draft is highly detailed, although it does give power to draw up regulations to address specific points. It contains 274 separate sections. As in previous drafts, the immigration police would be raised to the level of the Fuerza Pública but report to the immigration director


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The article in Am Costa Rica also said that one could stay for 6 months in Costa Rica by simply getting in on tourist visa and paying $100 to extend it for another 90 days that equals 6 months. After 6 months one could return to the U.S. for a change of pace and after a while come back as a tourist. Seems alot easier to me than trying to live in CR all year long.


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The tone of the law has changed from a simple summary of immigration rules to what the preface calls a judicial instrument against criminality and corruption in immigration.

Corruption in immigration is hardly their biggest issue. Let's start with police corruption and goverment corruption. Those ought to keep them busy for a while.


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This is a very big day for me.

I finally comprehended one of Greengo's posts. Now that I know what he's talking about........................ I also find I agree with him!

Happy Day Verdad! :lol:


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They talk about things changing in immigration every couple of years. I remember worrying like hell 9 years ago when I first move down here and heard this. Nothing ever HAPPENS here, only TALK about something changing... Then back to life as normal.


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This is a very big day for me.

I finally comprehended one of Greengo's posts. Now that I know what he's talking about........................ I also find I agree with him!

Happy Day Verdad! Laughing


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i read his post too, only understood one thing and that was mental masturbation, so i went to some pattaya sites and now that that is taken care of, i'm back. :lol: :lol:

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There is some good discussion on this topic in Gen. Info today, especially by Brother Prolijo--well worth your time reading. Feel free to overlook my drivel and semi-ranting there.

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Zionisthead wrote:
The article in Am Costa Rica also said that one could stay for 6 months in Costa Rica by simply getting in on tourist visa and paying $100 to extend it for another 90 days that equals 6 months. After 6 months one could return to the U.S. for a change of pace and after a while come back as a tourist. Seems alot easier to me than trying to live in CR all year long.


A lot easier for you, not me. I don't have a home in the USA. I am a resident because I actually live here. I'm not panicking yet, but I am starting to consider just where to go if these idiots get their way.

And beyond that, I really wonder what in hell they think they are going to accomplish by these changes. What exactly is the problem? Sure, old gringos aren't a pretty sight, but even somebody with 600 a month income can live here if he lives frugally. It's well above median income here. I would love someone to explain to me what hazards we expats pose here. Do they think that by raising the requirements they will bring RICHER gringos down here? *sigh*

I try to tolerate 'muy Tico' when I come across it, but sometimes the brain-dead nature of the 'authorities' down here boggle my mind.

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2 things

1. this 'Idea" has been tossed around for a long time and probably will continue to be for a lot longer...not to worry..it's old news resurfaced

2. AM Costa Rica is a rag and on a par with the National Inquirer...granted it carries some valuable information but more often than not their home grown articles are more sensational than anything else...don't believe everything the way they present it ....IMHO


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Livincr wrote:

1. this 'Idea" has been tossed around for a long time and probably will continue to be for a lot longer...not to worry..it's old news resurfaced


I agree that if and when the immigration law is changed the likelihood of it being in anything close to the original proposal is slim. However it is not an old bill being resurrected. This is a new piece of legislation published in La Gaceta last week.

In 2003 legislation was introduced to change the pensionado requirement to $3000 per month. That was lobbied against by ARCR and others and was removed from the legislation that was eventually passed.

It certainly is very very premature to worry about this proposal.

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i've been to cr only about 6-8 times, some for a month at a time, and it seems to me that there is an undercurrent of dislike for U.S. citizens. is this something new or am i getting strange vibes??? :oops:

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i've been to cr only about 6-8 times, some for a month at a time, and it seems to me that there is an undercurrent of dislike for U.S. citizens. is this something new or am i getting strange vibes??? :oops:


I wouldn't say there is widespread dislike of us, but there are definitely Ticos who wish we would go away, or who justify ripping us off because we are rich assholes with too much money (in their eyes, true or not). Most Ticos I meet are friendly enough and like talking to me, especially if they are trying to practice their English. In the Molino Rojo I have more than once been asked how I like CR and when I say I live here and don't want to return to the USA, I get a big smile. At the same time, there are at least two Ticos in my apt who would love to see me come to a bad end. I have done nothing personally to them, but they just don't like what I represent.

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Costa Rica has an illegal immigration problem (like the US) so they make things tougher on the LEGAL immigrants (like the US!)! :?

Just another bout of window dressing by the CR govt. Passing useless laws that will have no effect on the problem they were touted to fix.

If they want to stop the criminals from coming in from Nicaragua and Columbia they should probably end the corruption in the immigration authorities first.

Oh, but wait... That would require a change in Tico culture. Never mind. :x

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Does a pensionado in CR get any consideration for bringing in a vehicle and/or HHG duty free?

Belize and Panama offer that but have heard CR is much more costly. Sell all before moving down??

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