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First let me restate that I agree with others that a few errors here or there are no big deal as long as they don't get in the way of understanding the message. OTOH, going off topic and interrupting the flow of discussion to correct those mistakes does get in that way.

That said, I agree at least in part with Crooked that we shouldn't always meekly accept poor language skills in ourselves or others. Its sort of like Political Correctness (or PC). There is definitely a valid point to it but when overly applied to even the most picky of instances it can make the whole campaign seem petty and absurd. This means that such corrections should be judiciously applied to only the most egregious of cases.

Crooked also gave a couple of comparisons to buttress his arguments but I think those analogies fall a little short. First of all, he says that we correct each other's Spanish all the time. However, most of us are actively trying to improve our Spanish skills. Hardly anyone would feel insulted to be corrected because it is not their native tongue and they don't feel like they're expected to be fluent in it with out a little help. OTOH, English is at the core of our expected competencies, so to correct someone publicly on that could be seen as akin to calling him stupid.

His other analogy about when someone has broccoli stuck in their teeth. Do you point it out to them? Sure you do! But do you discreetly make gestures when no one else is looking or even take them to the side to do it or do you loudly tell them across a crowded dinner table?

And finally I think his analogy about the need for immigrants to learn our language also misses the mark. I think its great when immigrants like Cujo go to the extreme of eliminating all traces of their former accent from their speech. In many cases, this is done to avoid discrimination or to aid career advancement. However, I don't think it is necessarily what most people are thinking when they say that immigrants should learn our language. I think the thinking of most people is more similar to what others have been saying in this thread. As long as their meaning is conveyed and easily understood, it doesn't matter as much if their speech is absolutely perfect (particularly when there are so many native speakers with regional accents or slang of their own andwhose communication skills are really no better)

I sympathise with Crooked's concern about the decline of the English language. I just think that we need to pick our battles. My pet peeve recently has been with text messaging which almost necessarily by its very nature makes the spelling and grammatical errors one sees around here pale in comparison. A certain young lady that I've been seeing (and mentioned in another thread) seems to favor TM'ing so I tend to text back and I see myself having to choose constantly between either spelling everything out correctly with proper grammar and punctuation (and winding up with a Prolijo length TM) or DELIBERATELY misspelling, truncating words, leaving out punctuation and doing all sorts of other things that practically makes my heart cringe in order to keep my TM's short and easier to type. And, as I do that, I'm forced to wonder what all these modern communication forms are doing to our basic language skills.

I'd LOL if I wernt so :(

BTW, El V, I know I should just let El C, speak for himself but I have other "blinky" friends who use the internet and one thing that I know bothers them to no end because of the way they're handled by text-to-speech synthesizers are emoticons (misspelt words aren't handled much better). I know that the judicious use of emoticons helps the rest of us understand the writers intent, but can only imagine what happens to El C's computer when he comes across a post by Florida :shock:


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Not really, just like a lawyer representing himself in court.


High LK, what you're been up to?
Just banging Tania every chance I get. :lol:

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For some reason, the topic of grammar has proven to be important to those who read and post on this site.

The thread “Do we need a grammar lesson?” was started on January 30, 2008, and as of this posting had been viewed 1889 times with 61 responses.

The thread “Grammer, Punctuation & Spelling on CRT [sic],” was started on September 28, 2008, and as of this posting had been viewed 977 times with 48 responses.

It appears that CRT members enjoy this topic and that is why it is relevant: 2886 cumulative viewings; 109 cumulative posts.

NOTE: This was also posted on the "Grammer, Punctuation & Spelling on CRT [sic]" thread.


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The thread “Grammer, Punctuation & Spelling on CRT [sic],” was started on September 28, 2008, and as of this posting had been viewed 977 times with 48 responses.



DiegoC,

Not that I take inordinate joy in pointing it out, :wink: but shouldn't it read instead, Grammer [sic], Punctuation & Spelling on CRT? And, no doubt, in pointing this out, I probably phucked [sic] something up. :lol:


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Yes that is one very acceptable way. It does depend upon which style one follows.


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Ciaociao32001 Point well taken! You made me do a little research. Thanks! The way you addressed the issue is the APA style and if used the word sic should be italicized.

I learned to use [sic] after the errant passage. Of course sic is intended to indicate that the passage has been quoted exactly as printed, replicating the original. To my knowledge the Oxford style does not specify where [sic] is to be placed -- after the error or after the sentence containing the error.


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Ciaociao32001 Not long ago I published an article in a prestigious journal in the UK. The editors really challenged my knowledge of grammar, punctuation and spelling. But finally I got with the programme and it became a labour of love.


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:D :D i think we should start a video library of Scholastic Rock at the Sl :!: :!: you know conjuction junction, what's your function :!: and other catchy lessons :D :D would be a benefit for the less educated mongers, and the chicas :D :D :D sing a longs, education, good times, good times :D :D this opinion is soley my own, with no input from Florida :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


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I joined CRT to keep in touch with Costa Rica, share information and have fun. I flunked english in school and dropped out. I am not rich, yet I have done reasonably well in life despite warnings from the educated elite, that I would go nowhere in life. All that said, could we PLEASE go back to keeping in touch, sharing information AND having fun.

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... But finally I got with the programme and it became a labour of love.
That was really clever throwing in a couple of British spellings (which makes complete sense if you were writing for a "prestigious journal in the UK"). Were you trying to trick someone here into correcting you?


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That was really clever throwing in a couple of British spellings (which makes complete sense if you were writing for a "prestigious journal in the UK"). Were you trying to trick someone here into correcting you?


Pro you are slipping. I didn't think you were capable of posting just one or two sentences. :P

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I do that every now and then just to keep you on your toes.


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I do that every now and then just to keep you on your toes.


Now you are just turning into a troll. :lol:

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Hello Grammar Police.

I agree that if one is going to post, it should not be difficult to use adequate grammar and correct spelling.

My personal pet peeves:

1. The word "friend" is not spelled "frined."

2. Please learn the difference between two, to and too.

3. Missing apostrophes: Im going to Key Largo where Ill find a chica who cant turn me down."

Ah... I feel better.

Also, the excessive use of elipses....can be....extremely...annoying.

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Prolijo The use of programme and labour was an attempt at humor.


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