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It makes it much easier to ID someone on the surveillance tape. I think it would make sense to have U.S. banks adopt that policy.
Already policy in some states ID, started last month here- No hats, hoods or sunglasses 8) allowed.
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Bank robberies have dropped significantly in states where bankers associations prohibit customers from covering their heads or eyes, said Paul Maxwell, vice president and corporate communications manager of Hancock Bank. "In Missouri, bank robberies have dropped 47 percent," Maxwell said.

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The allowing you to pass after his wand alerted is indeed a muy tico moment. :lol: :lol:

Having you remove your hat, which all banks in CR do, really makes sense. It makes it much easier to ID someone on the surveillance tape. I think it would make sense to have U.S. banks adopt that policy.

I agree. And I've always been asked to remove my hat when I do my banking in CR, so that was not a surprise to me. But the wand thing? Boudmon and I just sat in the waiting area laughing at the whole incident.

And I forgot one more thing that happened - Since there were a few people in the bank, I had to take a number. For those who do not do any banking in CR - Instead of standing in a long line at the bank (like U.S. banks), most banks in CR have you take a number and sit down until your number comes up. It's similar to taking a number at the deli counter of a grocery store in the states.

At the time, they were serving number 17, and I was number 23. Well, Boudmon and I got to talking and laughing, and we weren't paying much attention. Then, when I looked up, I saw them serving number 24. I waved over the security guard who oversees the "numbers", and told him that I was number 23, but I hadn't been "served" yet. He said "No problem, just take another number" !

Since we were in no rush, and we'd already enjoyed a good laugh, I reached over and grabbed another number. I was now the proud owner of number 29! :o

The moral to this story.......
Don't ever go into a bank with CRT member Boudmon !!!! :P

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I have always brought 3-4 thousand in cash with me and never had a problem. I also bring a few thousand in travelers checks and if you stay at the Presidente they will cash them. Sportsman's lodge will only take them if you are paying a bill. I have never had a problem cashing them at the bank. The bank also usually gives you a good exchange rate usually better than a hotel or airport.

Now you need to make sure you aren't flashing your money around and look around the area you are in as there has been robbery's at the atm machines also. I usually take a taxi to the bank and back as I always stay at the Sportsman's Lodge


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MrLV, While it is true that in the past TC's were the preferred financing mechanism of veteran international travelers, that is not nearly so true any more in this age of cheap satelite communications and international banking networks. The old advantages of security and convenience can just as easily be met with the various forms of plastic (credit, debit and ATM cards) as most are on one international network or other that can be found nearly anywhere (and certainly in CR).

That said, I too still sometimes include TC's in my mix of funds. Maybe we're just oldfangled. I never understood the appeal of text messaging either, but everyone else seems to be doing it.

OTOH, I think ID and Orange are vastly overstating the case against TC's. Let's look at some of the charges:
1) Long lines at banks? RARELY if ever have I encountered a wait of "up to an hour" at a CR bank. Maybe, Orange has done all his banking at lunch time, when things can get that backed up. But for us, being on vacation, we're not restricted to doing our banking at the times that most tico's are. BTW, you'll also see some appallingly long and slow lines at many ATM's at those times too. If I have to do any banking in CR, I'll usually pop in around mid-morning or midafternoon and if there is a line of more than 1-2 people, which usually there isn't, I'll just come back or go to another bank. Its not like there is any shortage of them in the downtown area. In terms of waiting, I've always found the tedious bureacracy (eg document copying, supervisor approving, etc.) once you start being served as annoying a delay as any wait getting up to that point. If you have to wait 35 minutes in line then you've simply gone to the wrong bank at the wrong time. More often when I've gone there is no wait at all getting up to the window. But is there so much to do in SJ during the day that even 35 minutes is that big a deal. That is gringo thinking, leave that in the USA, and just go with the flow when in CR, your blood pressure will thank you, Pura Vida.

2) Getting frisked by a tico? Again, I don't have any idea what Orange is talking about here. He made it sound like they make you put your hands up against the wall and spread your legs so the bank guard can reach between them and feel your balls. I can't recall a time when I've been patted down at all. They use wands and, apparently, even if the things go off they don't always even ask you to empty your pockets. If you have a daypack, they'll usually ask you to unzip it so they can take an extremely cursory peek inside.

3) Getting mugged coming out of the airport vs a bank. Last time I checked, you could catch a cab in front of a bank too. But you usually don't have hordes of screaming ticos to distract you, or a load of luggage to weigh you down, when you're coming out of a bank. And coming out of a bank all you have is the $100-200 you just cashed, not your entire stash.

4) Tellers tipping off would be theives (I think this was ID's argument)? Yes, this certainly happens particularly if you're stupid enough to cash several hundred (or even thousand) dollars at a time and NOT get right into a cab as soon as you leave the bank. For smaller withdrawals, you're a correspondingly smaller target. And what makes you guys think that these crooks don't watch the ATM machines carefully or pull schemes at them (e.g. try googling "Lebanese Loop")?

5) Having to bring your original passport? Big deal. So you break your passport out of your room safe for an hour or so during the day when you go to the bank a couple of times during your trip. Its not like you're going to be taking it down a dark alley or into a crowded market place or keep it with you when you go out later that night. This is a relatively safe time and you'll be in relatively safe areas and it will be for a relatively short period of time. IMHO, the amount of increased risk from having to bring your passport with you is extremely minimal.

6) Only government banks cash them? While it is certainly true that TC's are virtually unusable with merchants in CR, you're probably not cashing those checks so you can buy souvenirs and I've yet to meet a chica that accepts credit cards either. Private banks not taking them? I'm not sure what constitutes a private bank, but every branch of any large banking chain that I've ever been in has taken them and, as I said before they aren't always crowded with long lines.

7) Fees for cashing TC's? There are also international transaction fees for using US ATM and debit cards and cash advance fees for using credit cards. Of course each bank is different, so which financing mechanism works best for each guy depends as much on which bank they use as much as any of the above. I also use BoA at home. Why I use them is no mystery. I have a sufficient balance so that I normally have no fees at all while I'm at home. There seem to be branches or ATM's every mile or so, so I never have to pay any ATM fee's. TC's are also completely free. The only big downside is that, as has been pointed out is the large international transaction fee when I use it on a foreign trip, but they're hardly alone in that department. But I don't choose my bank just on how well it works for me on my 2-3 1-2 week trips that I take per year. If someone can suggest another US bank with low fees for BOTH US and foreign banking AND with good coverage in my area, I'd love to hear it.
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I think a lot of this discussion tries to make it sound that one method of finance or the other is the best and that is the "only" way to go.

1) Personally, my main mechanism IS cash like it is for so many other guys. I try to bring the minimum amount I'm pretty sure I'm going to spend. All in 20's that are in good condition. Once you get beyond 1-2 grand that starts to get a bit bulky and even having a money belt is a bit harder to hide (and a little scary to have lying around).

2) In determining that minimum amount, I deduct planned expenses for which I can easily (and fairly safely) use my credit card (such as day tours and often my hotel bill). I try to save my cash for things that require it (like chicas). Some guys will also use their CC's for cash advances and maybe their bank fees are better than mine, but I try to avoid that like the plague.

3) LAST come the TC's, which I bring to keep down the amount of riskier cash I need to bring. If I keep my expenses in line (ie don't go much over my "optimistic" budget), I won't even have to cash any of them. But when I do it is normally only a couple of hundred at a time once or twice towards the end of my trip. I find the added inconvenience vs. cash to be minimal and the cost less than the alternative secure mechanisms like plastic.

BTW, CR_Miko, "3-4 thousand in cash [PLUS] a few thousand in travelers checks"? WTF, are you doing in CR?!?! That much would last me a few months, particularly if my hotel expenses was all going on my credit card.


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My "Muy tico" banking story.

One time I did get stuck in a bank line for a while (maybe 20 minutes). It was at a bank in San Pedro and, because I was taking classes in the morning and really needed to get cash, I was sort of ofrced to go at lunch time. They had the line up of chairs like has been described, only they DIDN'T have the "deli-style" take-a-number system. That would make too much sense. Instead, whoever was in the "first" chair would go next and everyone else would get up or slide over to the next chair as that chair was emptied. It became sort of a stylistic thing. Do I bother to get up every time the guy next to me moves up to the next chair in line or do I wait until there is a little bit of a gap of a few chairs and move over several at once. Naturally, those behind you in line would start to get antsy about you moving up but nobody ever "cut in line". It was easily the weirdest queuing system I've ever encountered.

I've also encountered a really weird elevator system in CR (at the INS building near Parque Espana) when I first went to the Jade Museum on the top floor (it has since been moved to the first floor). When I got into the elevator, I reached over to hit the button for the top floor but there wasn't any there. I was forced to get out on one of the other floors and figure out what the heck was going on. It seems you would pick your floor OUTSIDE the elevator by pressing the appropriate button on the wall in the hallway outside the elevators. Lit numbers would appear in various columns indicating which elevators would be going to those floors. In my haste to get on the elevator, I had just assumed that those numbers were there to indicate where each elevator was so you could tell which was next to arrive. Not so. Since then, I've heard more of this system being used at other places and have learned that it is actually much more efficient and energy-effective than the system we're more used to here in the states, because it groups passengers together by which floor they're heading towards rather than letting each person decide once they've all gotten on the elevator. Also, even though you might have to wait a little longer for "your" elevator rather than jumping on the first one that arrives, you actually get to where you're going faster because you wind up with fewer stops.


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My "Muy tico" banking story.

One time I did get stuck in a bank line for a while (maybe 20 minutes). It was at a bank in San Pedro and, because I was taking classes in the morning and really needed to get cash, I was sort of ofrced to go at lunch time. They had the line up of chairs like has been described, only they DIDN'T have the "deli-style" take-a-number system. That would make too much sense. Instead, whoever was in the "first" chair would go next and everyone else would get up or slide over to the next chair as that chair was emptied. It became sort of a stylistic thing. Do I bother to get up every time the guy next to me moves up to the next chair in line or do I wait until there is a little bit of a gap of a few chairs and move over several at once. Naturally, those behind you in line would start to get antsy about you moving up but nobody ever "cut in line". It was easily the weirdest queuing system I've ever encountered.



The "musical chair" queuing system you describe was very common in Costa Rica, and while it still exists, it is being slowly replaced by the "take a number" system. It really is very civilized as everyone knows the rules and adhere to them. It was still in use the last time I went to have by drivers license renewed. Now that they have moved that function from downtown San Jose to La Uruca not sure if they still do that.

You certainly do not miss noticing your number being called as MG described in an earlier post. :wink:

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My bank charges $5 a withdrawal in CR (Bof A).Did not realize that and made 10 withdrawals when I spent most of November in CR. I have never waited more than 15 minutes to cash my travelers checks. At any of the CR banks.I have also yet to find a CR bank that will not accept them.But do as you will.


Bank of America is without a doubt the bank with the most onerous fees. Why anyone uses them mystifies me.

Perhaps you might help out those that prefer travelers checks by posting which private banks you have used in Costa Rica that exchange your travelers checks.


I use them because they are the largest banking group in Nevada.Since I spend my entire day 6 days a week on the move, it is handy to find a branch close to wherever I am in the city.
As for private banks?, I am not sure which banks are public or private. I have seen Scotia Bank and HSBC in CR. Assuming these are what you mean, both will cash travelers checks at any branch frequented by tourists anywhere in the world.Not every branch will participate of course. What would be the point of training staff to accept them in Heredia or Alajuela? I have cashed t-checks at HSBC in Mexico City, Bangkok,Taipei, and Jakarta.The last two cities I had a residency visa for, but they never asked for it.A friend who is a regional supervisor for Scotia in Toronto told me they had the same strategy as HSBC.All the banks around Parque Central seem to take t-checks. Most of them have the exchange rate for t-checks posted in the window.BCR is where I usually go.Why do you need so many banks?


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What would be the point of training staff to accept them in Heredia or Alajuela?


Tourists, non monger variety, tend to travel through out the country. They do not confine their activities to the gulch.:lol:

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Why do you need so many banks?


The reason it is valuable to know which private banks allow non customers to cash travelers checks is because those banks tend to have shorter lines then the government banks and a greater likelihood of a bilingual teller.

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Travelers checks are reluctantly accepted. This is due to the time it takes to get the money from AmEx; 90 days. Some places on the coast do not accept them.

I have travelled all over the world and what has worked for me is just using my ATM. Yes the fees get a bit much, but many times you make up for it in the exchange rate, which is the exchange rate at the time you used it.

I bring enough cash for the taxi / driver and one session which is about $250.00. This works for me.

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This is just apocryphal, but I understand mechants are reluctant to take TC's due to fraud on the part of travelers. Some will use 1 then claim it was stolen and claim re-imbursement, sticking the (especially smaller, little-English-speaking merchants) with a chargeback. Just what I heard.

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Please excuse the back-to-back posts, but a possible worthwhile alternative for transactions with electronic processing might be a stand-alone pre-loaded Visa Debit card. I haven't used one and the fees can curl your hair but for protection, availability of useage, etc. it MAY be an answer. I'm sure there are a few but one such seen in a supermarket is linked here. Read the Terms and Conditions very closely please:
www.only1.com issued through MetaBank(whoever they are)
Another possibility is setting up a "spoof" account with your present credit card issuer--a time-limited amount-limited CC # you set up with Visa/MC issuer. Not exactly on the original topic; I'm just sayin'...

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I arrived with 1,000 in cash and 1,000 in travelers checks for my 4 day stay. I used my CC for the hotel bill and ZB. I also used the ATMs a couple times just to see if they worked.

1. I walked around with 100-150 in cash. I felt safe with cash in the room safe at SL. That is where I brought the ticas and paid them from. The walk around was for eating and MPs.

2. Traveler's checks were worthless except at the Banks. Still, I felt safe having them and would bring them again. It wasn't much hassle cashing them at the Bank but have more than one ID and give yourself time to wait (30 minutes or so in the a.m.).

3. ATMs charged me $10.00 per transaction. Bullshit! That included a $4.00 fee to have the money given in colones. One should take the U.S. currency out and change it oneself. This can be done in front of the National Bank.

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3. ATMs charged me $10.00 per transaction. Bullshit! That included a $4.00 fee to have the money given in colones. One should take the U.S. currency out and change it oneself. This can be done in front of the National Bank.


ATM's did not charge you.

Time to find a new bank as they are the ones who piled on the charges.

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I saw those $10.00 fees on my credit card statement.

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I saw those $10.00 fees on my credit card statement.


Same thing just different corporate thief. You need to dump the credit card company

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