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What about the success stories? One member posted his esposa whom he met "down yonder" is expecting again and apparently happy, several others have gone fiance visa recently. Then there's all the guys involved to some extent that never post about their relationships not to mention the dozens (or hundreds) of non-CRT guys constantly pulling working girls off the market and/or marrying them. Yeah it's all about the money- so what? Guys want sex and companionship, chicas want money and security, seems like a fair trade and a simple one if the guy doesn't have his head up his ass and lose touch with the realities of the arrangement. I know a guy that married one and they seem sorta happy sometimes, which is probably on par with marrying a spoiled gringa (but you get more sex). Looks like the key is not tolerating the BS, being able to afford what you expect from them and being able to spend enough time in country to keep a watchful eye until you are together all the time. If you can do that I think many chicas are happy to actually get out of the life and will even move to the states. They're not all evil money grubbing putas, even though they've learned to act that way.



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we may have a security issue here. Someone is posting under Pacoloco's name. Either that or he's gone over to the other side.

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What about the success stories? One member posted his esposa whom he met "down yonder" is expecting again and apparently happy, several others have gone fiance visa recently. Then there's all the guys involved to some extent that never post about their relationships not to mention the dozens (or hundreds) of non-CRT guys constantly pulling working girls off the market and/or marrying them. Yeah it's all about the money- so what? Guys want sex and companionship, chicas want money and security, seems like a fair trade and a simple one if the guy doesn't have his head up his ass and lose touch with the realities of the arrangement. I know a guy that married one and they seem sorta happy sometimes, which is probably on par with marrying a spoiled gringa (but you get more sex). Looks like the key is not tolerating the BS, being able to afford what you expect from them and being able to spend enough time in country to keep a watchful eye until you are together all the time. If you can do that I think many chicas are happy to actually get out of the life and will even move to the states. They're not all evil money grubbing putas, even though they've learned to act that way.


I wished I agreed with you and would be more than happy to have one post a Monger-Puta Success Story Thread, but I think that it wouldn't have many takers. I could be wrong. I think someone should start that thread. :wink:


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we may have a security issue here. Someone is posting under Pacoloco's name. Either that or he's gone over to the other side.

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Nah, he's been sending me stuff questioning my sexuality all morning. It is Paco, but I think his medication was working for once. :D

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Yo, Paco – Are you for real? Just a simple logical look at it and you know that sooner or later the situation will go to shit. If a more natural marriage to a woman within your age, nationality, culturally equivalent, same education background, etc has only a 50% rate of success. What are the chances that a marriage to a chica that is completely dissimilar on all the aspects above will be successful? Also, you have to add that you are/were a monger and she was/is a concubine and the logic is not there. Is definitely a recipe for disaster. I hope you were kidding above because if not, you are definitely adding gasoline to their fire. Not a brotherly thing to do.

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Yo, Paco – Are you for real? Just a simple logical look at it and you know that sooner or later the situation will go to shit. If a more natural marriage to a woman within your age, nationality, culturally equivalent, same education background, etc has only a 50% rate of success. What are the chances that a marriage to a chica that is completely dissimilar on all the aspects above will be successful? Also, you have to add that you are/were a monger and she was/is a concubine and the logic is not there. Is definitely a recipe for disaster. I hope you were kidding above because if not, you are definitely adding gasoline to their fire. Not a brotherly thing to do.


How is he throwing gas on a fire? He boiled it down to its lowest common denominator. The girls want money and security and a guy wants a companion and a hot wife to bang. There are success out there but they do not get posted about that often. What doesn't work for you may work for someone else. Do 90% of these thing end in spectacular failure? Yes. Do they make great reading? Yes.

Telling someone who is in love that statistics and common sense are against them isn't going to work. I think most of us have told someone at least once that they are going to get badly burned in the end. Yet, there are that few that make it. No different than taking a risk for a marriage here in the US.

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haha Thanks for the good start to the morning... This marrying ho's debate always entertains....


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Spank and Paco – you remind me of the guys who gave the suicide victim a “Flying for Dummies” book and then encourage the poor bastard to jump. No matter how loud you scream for the bastard to flip his arms is not going to happen. :cry: :cry: :cry:

Then Spank use examples of supposedly success and using my same analogy above I will said, you are on the 25th floor of the building while you see the suicide victim pass by. You ask how it is going. He replies, “SO FAR SO GOOD”. Not a good ending to this tale. :cry: :cry: :cry:

And then to end your argument you use the “No different than taking a risk for a marriage here in the US” argument. We all preaching about not marrying gringas and then you are for it on the statement above? We all know is very different and the odds are against you.

Buena Suerte – BTW, is the popcorn ready yet?
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Just a simple logical look at it and you know that sooner or later the situation will go to shit. If a more natural marriage to a woman within your age, nationality, culturally equivalent, same education background, etc has only a 50% rate of success. What are the chances that a marriage to a chica that is completely dissimilar on all the aspects above will be successful?.
Compelling take Josie!For the guys that want to venture into relationships with the chicas in Costa Rica who am i to criticize you.A friend of mines brother is married to a chica from Colombia that he met in San Jose and they currently live in Costa Rica.(so it can happen).A couple things that he has going for him is that he speaks Spanish fluently and is a young man(37).Buena Suerte to all thinking about taking the plunge!(your going to need it) :wink:


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Bottom line Paco is either pulling our 3rd legs or he has found a Puta, I mean Semi-pro, oops I mean working girl, no a regular college student who accidentally tripped & fell through the front door at HDR that he likes & now he has to figure out how to sell himself on the whole thing...that it really is OK?? :) ...

I never get this serious crap with party girls. I thought they were just for party time only??? Any fool should know this??? :shock:

So many guys don't know when to leave well enough alone. They take a perfectly wonderful dream & try to make it into a reality & ruin BOTH :idea: !!

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Yo, Paco – Are you for real? Just a simple logical look at it and you know that sooner or later the situation will go to shit.
Sooner or later- but couldn't that be said about any relationship? All my past relationships with non-hookers eventually "went to shit" in some way and I'd guess that so did yours.
At any given moment there are dozens of guys in various stages of relationships with DelRey chicas and some of them are CRT members. I know of 4 or 5 guys (2 personally) that have married chicas, another half dozen others with novias or fiances' and about a dozen working chicas that have married or moved to the states with gringos in the past 5 years. A couple are back working in SJO but most aren't so maybe they are still married and/or happy in the US, who knows but are they all stupid idiots for giving it a try?

I'm not actually endorsing the practice or suggest some newbie try it, just stating the facts are that it does happen, is happening and will continue in spite of all the warnings and anti-relationship rhetoric posted, usually by the same group of members. Sure let's warn the newbies not to fall into the RFM traps and get their hearts broken, but for the guys that have mongered a while & crave something more and the guys that just won't listen anyway- hooking up for some type of LTR with a working chica is an easy option. Maybe they'll get burned badly or maybe they'll accept the challenges, work through the rough spots, find some sporadic peace and happiness and learn a few things from each other along the way. I know several long-time CRT members that say they are very happy with their current relationship arrangements, and of course a couple others that have "gone to shit".

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I wished I agreed with you and would be more than happy to have one post a Monger-Puta Success Story Thread, but I think that it wouldn't have many takers. I could be wrong.
My guess is the reason it wouldn't have many takers is because they choose to keep their relationship lives private, maybe because of the constant negativity posted by many towards the subject- just look at some of the posts in this thread, not to mention the title. This issue was forseen and addressed in the first post that started this section.
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I know the general consensus here and idea behind the site is info about paying them to leave but lets face it- MANY CRT guys have novias and many others could benefit from the information available, it could save some guys thousands of $ and loads of heartache. And who knows there might even be a couple success stories posted one day. Have no idea Admin1's thoughts or how much trouble it would be but if it ever happened I think one rule must be no excessive bashing by the non-novia believer crowd. The reason most guys don't post anything about their relationships is they don't want to get flamed by the strictly LAL (Love 'em and Leave 'em) guys.

Here is probably the lengthiest and most informative thread on the topic, with a few "success stories" mixed in- https://costaricaticas.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1957

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I wished I agreed with you and would be more than happy to have one post a Monger-Puta Success Story Thread, but I think that it wouldn't have many takers. I could be wrong.
My guess is the reason it wouldn't have many takers is because they choose to keep their relationship lives private, maybe because of the constant negativity posted by many towards the subject- just look at some of the posts in this thread, not to mention the title. This issue was forseen and addressed in the first post that started this section.


PL, IMHO, if there were a bunch of Happy Hooker couples out there, I am sure they would want to weigh in and tell us "Sour Grapes, Cup is Half Empty, Cynical Losers" that they got it going on. My question to you is what determines a relationship? A discount in TLN?

And as far as marriage goes you need look no further than the guy who married the gal who was already married and then ended up drinking shots with the other husband to see the debacles that occurs in some of these ceremonies.

If you have friends doing the marriage/relationship thing and it works such as they have been together a couple of years, she no longer hooks, they know each other's language, she is moving or has moved to the states or he lives down here, then I would say that this is indeed a relationship. But if it is to the tune of "oh, my gf(e) is working at the DR tonight, lets go there" they I would say that is not quite the same thing.

Additionally, I am guilty as charged of being one of the ringleaders of a group of CRT members that believe you would have to be insane to try to have a relationship with a Del Ray Debuttante. :shock: :shock: It is not sour grapes, as I find enough drama with a typical gringa like the one I am currently dating. I just have been watch the scene down there for at least 20 years and I have seen them come and go. I found plenty of drama dating regular Ticas, so why would I want to up the amperage and date one of these dollies?

The funny thing is it is not so hard to meet regular gals down there. I was in Guatemala a month ago and it took me one 5 minute conversation to get hooked up with a beautiful young professional non-working girl who ended up being my personal tour guide for the rest of the weekend. All it takes is confidence and the ability to communicate. My feeing is that these poor saps that pursue the hooker -gf route lack both. They are either so lacking in confidence that no women would have them (which regretable is what living in Gringalandia can do to you)or they simply love taking the easy way out and try and put lipstick on a pig in hopes they can sell it.

Some of the guys that have come on here and told us about starting real relationships with regular gals should be applauded As far as the Monger - Working Girl Success Stories, the post is out there,

Paco please encourage your friends to document how wrong we Non-Relationship, Sour Grapes, Cynical Loser Mongers are. I would love to be proven wrong. :lol: :lol:


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Paco - I can see your point but here is the flaw to your argument;

You present a one or two per se success stories to LTR/novias – We currently have about 15,000 members and for the sake of argument let’s add the same amount of people that never heard of CRT. Of those 30,000 a vast majority gets phone numbers, emails and develops favoritas. And of all of this mongers you got 1-2 success stories? Being a previous paratrooper (82nd Airbone, 1/505) I met a guy whose parachute did not open but did not get kill when he landed. Can I take that and extrapolate that I can jump without a parachute? No way. But, that is your assumption.

I do not want to come across to be a pessimist. I’m known to be an optimist and a very positive person to be around. But I also have to be a realist and consider that on the best of circumstances, a LTR/novia on any mongering place is just plain nuts. Let alone most of the CRT relationships seem to come out of older gentlemen’s and non-native Spanish speaking. Add to that cultural and education differences and the Lottery odds are looking better than yours.

We all have the choice and the right to make bad decisions. I think that we can all agree on that. But, I also retain the right to pull up a chair and LMAO went the train hit you.

That last couple of sentence bring me to my next point. WTF is happening to the mongering mentality in CR. See some examples below:
• Lately we seem to feel sorry for the chicas and want to buy phones for our chicas. We don’t even wait for RFM? A phone is an essential part of their job, just like a nice sexy wardrobe or pedicure. If her phone does not work, let her work for it. Some of these mongers get so involved in the chicas life’s that they loose perspective.
• Another made a plea for the mongers to pay the chica and do not take advantage of them because they may be too passive and take whatever money we offer. WTF. I answered this on two other different posts; go read them, but talk about major BS. This one really irks me.
• Now you say; “choose to keep their relationship lives private, maybe because of the constant negativity”. Are we mongers or we have been so pu*sy whip that we are even afraid to post and speak up for ourselves?

I do not want to come across so depressingly but I will warn against feeling the way describe above. Get some “cojones” and do what we do best. MONGER!

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Nice nice guys.. This rankles some of the more sensitive of the board...


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Nice nice guys.. This rankles some of the more sensitive of the board...


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if there were a bunch of Happy Hooker couples out there, I am sure they would want to weigh in...
I won't encourage them to post because most simply don't keep up with the board anymore. Are you saying you've been going to CR for 20 yrs. and have not met one gringo that has had a LTR with a working chica that he pulled off the market that was happy, at least for some period of time? I wonder how is that even possible since I know of so many that have. Sure some have their moments of a drama filled train wreck but those are pretty much always the clueless hopeless guys that thrive on drama and abuse by women anyway. Sane stable guys don't tolerate that crap or or subconciously want it in the first place.

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My question to you is what determines a relationship?
You answered that one yourself so I see no need to address it. My question to you is what determines a successful relationship?

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All it takes is confidence and the ability to communicate. My feeing is that these poor saps that pursue the hooker -gf route lack both. They are either so lacking in confidence that no women would have them (which regretable is what living in Gringalandia can do to you)or they simply love taking the easy way out and try and put lipstick on a pig in hopes they can sell it.
Good point and one I alluded to with it being an easy option. Although I agree many guys that do pursue the LTR with working girls have probably had lackluster successes with past relationships back in the states and may lack confidence & game, not all guys fall into this one category. I know several confident, succesful decent looking guys happily involved long term with very nice chicas that they met through P4P, believe it or not. I don't really care if you do but just because they are not here posting details of their relationships and that they are currently happy with a novia, fiance or esposa doesn't mean they don't exist.

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Paco - I can see your point but here is the flaw to your argument; ...Of those 30,000 a vast majority gets phone numbers, emails and develops favoritas. And of all of this mongers you got 1-2 success stories?
You post ridiculous flawed numbers like these to counter my flawed argument? Pretty funny, do I really need to point out the obvious flaws in your counter-flaw? :lol:

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That last couple of sentence bring me to my next point. WTF is happening to the mongering mentality in CR. See some examples below:
Nothing new, I believe it boils down to the age old clash of the GFE-vs-LAL guys. These two distinct types of mongers will never see eye to eye or agree on many levels. They have different attitudes, goals, needs and beliefs relating to working women... as explained here. :arrow: https://costaricaticas.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2934
Interesting thing is how some guys change, after being some of the world's biggest hit-&-run mongers for years they end up settling down with one chica, and vice-versa.

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