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Aw...screw it. I'm too fat too argue.

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This is a very helpful thread.

Should there be a 300 pound allowance for suitcases + carry on + passenger weight? If you weigh 195 then you get 105 of checked and carry on. Every pound over should go at the cargo rates?

For every pound under 300 lbs you get a credit, cash or miles.

THE TOPIC OF HUMILIATAION IS ONE THAT HOLDS LITTLE WATER. BEING A BIG MAN I CAN'T BELEIVE THIS IS EVEN A POSSIBILITY. COMFORT FOR ALL PASSENGERS SHOULD BE A PRIORITY FOR EVERYONE. THATS WHY I HAVE NO PROBLEM PURCHASING TWO SEATS BUT IN NO AM I SAYING THAT MONEY ISN'T AN ISSUE BUT TO SOMEHOW SUGGEST THAT HUMILIATION IS EVEN AN OPTION LEADS ME TO BELIEVE A FAT GUY HAS NEVER WHIPPED YOUR ASS. "LA DIABLO"

I'll post to this one more time for clarity since it seems that some of the things I said may need qualification:

For the airfare part: Everything that is transported is assessed a fee based on size and weight. In the past, the airfare has been determined based on an "average" but what that really means is that smaller "packages" have been subsidizing larger "packages". No big deal when the airfare is $300 but bump that charge to $1000 and many are in the "go/no go" dilemma. One way to look at it is "why should a 175lb man in great shape have to pay double so that the 350lb guy can pay half?" (Assuming that the big guy is not buying two seats.)

As to the weight issue:

I know all about "stress eating". I was a chubby K*D and I know about bullies. I am 5'8" and I have pictures of me at 256lbs, size 42 waist. The first time I came to Costa Rica my best sexjual position was flat on my back with her doing all the work. I was not happy with that and made a conscious decision to change. I did Nutri-systems for three months and lost 35lbs, then went to CR for a month and maintained the new weight of 210-215lbs. I went right back on Nutri-systems when I returned and went back to Costa Rica three months later at 185lbs. I have maintained that weight for nearly a year and have no plans to go backward. I say this not as a boast, "see how cool I am", but as incentive, I ain't magic and you can do it, too!

Oh sure, I used all the excuses for being fat: I come from a family of large people, I have a stressful job, I don't have time to eat right and exercise, etc. The fact is that the only reason I was that large is because I was not taking responsibility for my size.

Look around the world. The reason American's are so big is because of our diet and the fact that we have made a national pastime of gluttony. Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter, 4th of July, Super Bowl, all "reasons" to tie on the big feedbag and gorge ourselves. "All you can eat" is a US anomaly. Who would really opt for huge unlimited portions of bad to mediocre food instead of a smaller sampling of really good food? It only makes sense if we are predisposed to gluttony.

Hate me for placing the responsibility for size with the individual if you must, but individual responsibility is the answer, not blaming genetics or "medical conditions" or "big bones". The first step toward a longer healthier life is facing that big guy in the mirror and accepting the fact that he did it and he can undo it.

The toughest part of losing 70lbs was making the decision to change. The toughest part and it was over the first day! From there, it was simply a matter of controlling my intake on a daily basis and watching the pounds slowly disappear. Yes, I had good days and bad days (still do) but the key was consistently eating less than my body needed to sustain my level of activity. Increasing activity increases the metabolism and eating smaller portions throughout the day keeps the body from going into "starvation survival" mode and shutting down the metabolism.

The older we get, the slower the metabolism gets. What that really means is that every day we deny and delay makes it a little harder to get down to our best weight. Was it worth the sacrifice of "all I can eat" and a sedentary lifestyle? Absolutely, without a doubt, no question! I see a different guy every time I look in the mirror and the girls certainly see a different guy when I walk into the Del Rey. I never have to wonder if that little Colombiana "10" has a problem sleeping with fat guys.

All you big guys out there, I love you man. I am not putting you down for your weight, I am simply telling you that it does not have to be that way. Yes, it takes time and discipline and commitment but you can do it! You will thank yourself everyday if you do. If you need encouragement just drop me a PM. I am there for you, man. Let's get down to weight...

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but your love don't pay my bills,
I NEED THE MONEY!" - John Lee Hooker

Disclaimer: The above is merely the opinion of the author unless specific scientific data is included.
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no need to scream big boy, and you're right thats never happened because you have to catch me first.

So you are saying that a obese 5'0, 165 pound women with a body fat of 16% should pay less than an in shape collegiate football player who is 6'6 and 245 lbs with a body fat of 4%? Since not only weight but size enter into your calculation should a 6'8" 250 lb man pay more than a 6'0" 250 lbs man? After all he is taking up more space. The entire idea of charging based on weight & size is preposterous.





Every diet system that advertises and show someone who lost many pounds always has a small print disclaimer that say "results are not typical" I am glad Nutri-systems worked for you but that does not translate into it is the cure all for everyone. Maybe you and Valerie Bertenelli can get together and compare the relative pros & cons of Jenny Graig vs Nutri-systems.




Combine that quote with your early one that stated,The human body is a simple machine. Put in less fuel than you burn and it runs on reserves stored as fat. Put in more than you burn and it stores the excess.
and it shows you are unwilling to accept what medical science has discovered about obesity. Yes the majority of obese people bring the condition upon themselves but not all as you so disingenuously proselytize. Maybe you should do some serious research on the subject and discover that there are various reasons, other than overeating, that lead to obesity.

I don't hate you for placing the responsibility for size on the individual but I am sadden to see your closed mind approach that only considers overeating when explaining obesity.

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essential food groups:
alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat.
Alex Levine

To you genetically challenged individuals.

I'm a skinny little thing but it looks like I'm going to live long and fly cheap.

Lee

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Yes, there is a very very small percentage of people who have a "medical condition" that makes them obese. For the vast majority, the answer is not medical but mental...deciding to change lifestyle. Ever ask yourself why the "medical condition" strikes the US population and not the majority of the rest of the world? Our medical industry, and it is an industry, makes millions off of "cures" for the "conditions" that they invent. Predisposition to obesity is not a pass that dismisses personal responsibility. It just makes it harder to be fit and healthy for some people.

No diet plan works for everyone because not everyone can stick to a diet plan. Binges kill. Diet and exercise combined will reduce the bulk on the majority of the population.

If you want to discuss this further, please see the new thread in the Sexual Health forum.

As for airfare, charging by the pound is no less fair than charging the same regardless of weight. I would be fine with an airline that charged a set rate per pound per 1000 miles flown if I were allowed to have that option. At least I wouldn't have to worry about them trying to stick me in the middle seat between two 5'1", 250lb mommas who won't (can't) put the armrests down (it happened).

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I NEED THE MONEY!" - John Lee Hooker

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Your latest post just confirms what I already stated.

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Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four
essential food groups:
alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat.
Alex Levine

I don't agree with everything that ID has said but I do I agree with his points about LaDiablo's post and many subsequent posts being unsympathetic to the difficulties involved for many people in losing weight.

Before I address that, I think we should clarify something about the original point of this post - airline policy. It was LaDiablo that said "lets humiliate these lard asses". Since then, some of you seem to have been ascribing that motivation to the airlines themselves. I seriously doubt that is their intent. It is not their personal goal to in some way encourage americans to lose weight or to drive them off, even though that might be the result of this new policy with some people. I also seriously doubt this is about creating more space on their jets for the comfort of the other passengers. They've been packing more and more of us on their planes and squeezing us into seats that seem to get narrower and closer together every year. They've also been flying with fuller passenger loads and grounding planes on routes where they can't fill their planes rather than pay the cost of fuel. The problems that the airlines face have little to do with demand. They've been raising their fares and adding nickel and demand fees and people are still flying as much as ever. Their problem is that they can't turn a profit even with those high fares and full planes because of the cost of fuel. So if their new policy happens to "humiliate" a few of their passngers to the point that they no longer choose to fly with them, well they've probably made the calculation that will probably be more than made up by the extra generated revenue from the vast majority of flyers who may grumble about it but ultimately suck it up and pay the added fees.

You know, not so long ago, we all use to take such things as airline meals, as horrible as they might have been, as being a natural part of the "package". Those are long gone and most of us have adjusted, by bringing snacks with us or eating right before we get on the plane. Similarly, a free toll free phone in reservation system, 2 free checked bags and curbside check-in were assumed free "rights". Now we pay extra fees for that. This is all just part of a growing trend. We'll al grumble about it in the beginning but in the end it will all just become accepted practice.

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For my part, I'm 6'1" and well over 200lbs. Most people say I don't look like I weigh that much because I'm not fat. I'm not a real body builder either, but I do work out and am in pretty good shape so I'm guessing more muscle mass and less body fat makes me a lot heavier than I look. Call that "big boned" if you want. It doesn't seem fair to me that I should be "penalized" with higher fees for that vs. a 5'6" tall woman who weighs just under 200lbs and seems as wide as I am tall. At least not on a space basis. It only doesn't seem fair to me to allow people to bring on large heavy carry-on bags for no extra charge when aside from my personal bulk I carry very little. IMHO, if the rationale is that it costs more to fly heavier passenger loads then the calculation should include ALL the weight each passengers bring on board in order to be fairest. But you know what? Life ain't always fair. Get over it. If this is what they're going to do then I'll just have to adjust to it.

I agree that it is not easy for people to lose weight. Sometimes there is a biological reason for it. Even when there isn't there is often a big psychological reason for it that is just as real and difficult to overcome. I read recently that your quantity of fat cells is determined by the time you reach 20. After that, you can lose weight and get "skinnier" fat cells but those fat cells remain there ready to suck up any excess that you might consume. This makes it very hard to lose weight AND keep it off if you started out in life with a weight problem, as many have.

OTOH, I've never been fat but would be hard pressed to lose much weight without also losing some muscle. But I'll still try to lose those extra few pounds that I might have, not just to save money when I travel but mainly because it is the healthier thing to do. Airline weight charges just add to all the other incentives that are already there. I may not be able to get all the way under the arbitrary 200lb limit set by the airline but I can get a little closer and every pound I lose will put less stress on my body as well as my wallet.

Last comment. Someone said that humiliating people is not usually the best way to get people to do something. That might be (and, like I said before, I doubt that is the airlines intent), but it does work. Overweight people in this country often feel discriminated against and ridiculed. Some of that seems unfair to them, some of that isn't. For example, apart from the dangers it presents to themselves, it also represents costs to others (such as when employers have to pay for higher health insurance costs for overweight employees which get passed on to their fellow workers and/ir that business's customers).

I'd compare this to the recent history of smoking in this country. As with skinny people's attitudes towards overeating, many non-smokers see smoking as an "elective" activity, but giving up smoking is probably just as difficult as losing weight. And the dangers each condition represents to each person themselves is much greater than any spillover those conditions might have on those around them. Over the last several years, all sorts of anti-smoking laws have been passed (on the basis of the dangers of 2nd hand smoke) and the taxes on a pack of cigarettes have gone up to the point that they now cost over $10 in places like California(on the legitmate basis of added health costs to the state caused by smokers? or simply as a politically easier place to raise tax revenues). Naturally, many smokers felt like they were a discriminated against embattled minority (humiliated?), but you know what, the rate of smoking in this country has gone way down. Incidentally, anyone remember when they banned cigarette smoking on flights? Smokers complained like hell but everyone wound up going along. Add to the desire to quit (or lose weight) due to the personal health issues involved, all the outside social pressures (limited smoking areas, cigarette taxes and now, in the case of weight loss, airline add-on charges) and for many it becomes the last straw that finally provides them the additional motivation it takes for them to succeed.

FYI Pac55 here are some statistics concerning obesity. It is a problem world wide not just in the U.S.

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Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four
essential food groups:
alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat.
Alex Levine

Canada at number 11? They must not be counting the women here.

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You clearly are not in Toronto

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Damm that water is cold!!!
And deep too!!!

There's plenty of blame to go around for the epidemic in our country. I have students in their late teens and early 20's with terrific weight problems and a few have confided they have diabetes. Yes, there are personal decisions at play, but the society as a whole has increased in weight dramatically over the past 30 years, so some of the blame has to be with ads and large portions, and lots of salt, fat, and sugar, not to mention fast foods and super-sizing. I know it's a free market, but when you have school catering companies largely offering K*ds pizza, burgers and fries, and fried chicken nuggets, along with 12, 16, and 24 oz soft drinks, well...let's just say that wasn't the way it was when I was a K*D. In life it usually comes down to personal decisions, but when the society as a whole heads toward chronic illness, then you need to look further. After years of death from heart disease going down, it has leveled off, despite advanced statins. And type II diabetes is no longer for "old folks."

I agree airlines need to turn a profit. Charging "by the pound" appears harsh in view of the fact we have an epidemic, however. By the way, why is it Avianca and other internationals can still provide a meal and booze gratis? Are they using jet fuel or some cheap synthetic?

Overeating is an addiction no different from alcoholism in my view. When people stop smoking, often they gain weight, switching one addiction to another, but they're still addicted. Should the 50 lb K*D pay one-sixth to fly what the 300 lb, addicted over-eater pays? Is that what we're coming to in this society? Is this where you want to live? I say find other ways to cut costs. The amount of waste in corps is often unacceptable, such as with huge salaries for marginal talents at the top...

...for starters.

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"...and if men didn't have this unquenchable desire to have sex with women, then they wouldn't have anything to do with women at all. I certainly wouldn't..."

I had a serious weight problem until just recently. Then I shaved my balls...

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