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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:31 pm 
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Even if it was $10 a gallon it would be worth it.

What is the alternative? Bicycling? Walking?

Aint no buses where I live.

I HAVE AN IDEA Lets buy " their" oil at "whatever f-in" price.

How long will it last?

Their oil supply?

Lets keep our reserves in Alaska , Atlantic coast , Gulf of Mexico etc. untapped.

When theirs runs out and they get hungry LET THEM MAKE A SAND- WICH

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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:23 am 
alternative energy... shouldda, wouldda, couldda!

haha! What a joke! I was paying near a dollar a gallon only 8 years ago so who is going to fund any alternative energy research when we "just" came off 1 dollar a gallon? I say "just" because 8 years ago isn't a long time.

Check out SUV, supercab truck and large sedan sales over the last 10 years.... up up up... no one was thinking anything about alternative energy.

Check out the size of homes over the last 10 years... normal everyday people built mansions. Now, who wants to heat or cool a mansion?

Things turn around fast though... shit happens.... now everyone wants to say shouldda, wouldda, couldda developed alternative energy. :idea: History repeats itself - I'm surprised that the older guys in here are talking as if they were asleep during the 70s. Let's go back to 55mph!

Alternative energy haha! It makes me laugh. Saudi has the biggest oil reserves, Iraq has the second biggest (pretty much untapped), then I'm not sure who has what but Mexico, Iran, Ven, Kuwait, Russia has oil and there is no sign of any dry wells so there is plenty more to go around (and we haven't touched our own that much). I don't think anyone even projects an end to the oil supply anymore, do they? Anyway, with all the oil still in the ground, not many are going to dig deep for alternative energy research. Beside, energy is energy, it all costs one way or another. If another source is found, it likely will be priced the same or very near the same as oil. It is sort of like when we only had cable TV and then satellite TV came about, we think okay, we can get it cheaper, not! Cable subscriptions increased which only give satellite operators room to increase subscriptions. Wasn't natural gas cheap, once upon a time?

Anyone think 3 dollars a gallon is history forever?


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Gentlemen, (you too El Silencioso) :o

Will someone please tell me WTF is going on with the fuel / gas prices? This is ridiculous. Enough is enough! They’ve been continually rising for quite some time, but come on! They’re going up every single day, and now I hear economists saying that we’re “NOWHERE NEAR THE TOP YET” ??? This is un-phucking believable! :evil:

Sorry, but I needed to vent. Is anyone else fed up with the way things are going, and our bleak future economic outlook ? I can’t be the only one who’s disgusted with our current state of affairs. :x We’re goin’ to hell in a hand-basket! Phuckin’ A ! BB57…. You got an extra room that I can rent?!?!? :idea:

What does everyone else think? Just make sure that you don’t use the “R” word (recession), because supposedly – we’re not there yet! :roll:

Go ahead… have at it! What do YOU think ?
How do you think I feel now with 7 buses to feed on a daily basis? :cry: Diesel is $4.19 now in Tampa at the cheapest stations. :roll: I do charge a 15% surcharge but that doesn't cover but half of the fuel. I have a 2004 Ford F350 Dually for sale if anyone is interested. :) 6.0 liter diesel 53K miles. Will sell for the balance at ford of $22,780. :D It really is a good deal for a Lariat fully loaded. 13 to 15 MPG in the city. :D We should have a special section to sell things on CRT, any Ideas? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Petrobras (PBR), Brazil’s largest energy company, was founded in 1953 and is now one of the world’s largest oil company with 109 production platforms, with 77 fixed and 32 floating. It has 5,973 service stations all over Brazil, in addition to another 990 of them abroad, and 15 refineries with installed capacity to process 2.2 million barrels per day.

Fiscal ‘07 saw a production of 2.3 million barrels of oil equivalent, a milestone reached by few companies in the world. However, the company has more ambitious plans.

Based on its Business Plan 2007-2011, Petrobras is set to maintain its rapid growth rate, aiming for the first time, to plan its production over the long term: a total of 4.556 million barrels a day [bpd] of oil and natural gas will be produced in Brazil and abroad in 2015. As a guarantee of a solid foundation for future growth, for every barrel that was produced during the year 2006, 1.739 barrels were added to the reserves.

As stated in economic and financial reports, the company continues trending towards growth. Profit surged from $1.373 billion, in fiscal 1997, to more than $13 billion in fiscal 2007.

Recently, Petrobras found a giant new field with potential recoverable oil reserves between 700 million and one billion barrels-catapulting its already huge pool of reserves to 9.6 billion barrels.

On April 14 of this year, according to Brazil’s National Petroleum Agency, a deep-water exploration area off Brazil’s coast suggested that the specific area could contain as much as 33 billion barrels of oil. If proven, the oil in the Carioca exploration area would also be five times larger than the Tupi oil field, whose estimated reserves of 8 billion barrels were announced by Petroleo Brasileiro SA (PBR) in November 2007. That would make it the world’s third-largest known oil reserve.

Brazil’s current proven oil reserves are 11.8 billion barrels.

Not only is Petrobras one of the world’s biggest oil producers, it is also the world’s biggest BioFuel producer. In the ’70s Brazil began transforming its sugar cane into fuel. Now as the rest of the world and global industry wheezes as oil-prices climb higher, Brazil is poised to not only weather the coming energy problems, but also get rich off of them.

Petrobras contributes in fueling almost 50% of Brazil’s cars with its BioFuels. It also exports its BioFuels to many other countries too, including India, Venezuela, Nigeria and the US. Currently, the company is building the world’s first major BioFuel pipeline and has plans on spending $54 billion on its BioFuel and oil production and distribution facilities by fiscal year 2010.

Petrobras is decades ahead of practically every other company in the world in its production and distribution of renewable energies and eventually as global oil supplies evaporate, and oil prices spike, this company will only grow more valuable.

The company trades with an attractive P/E ratio that won’t remain cheap for long. It has $100.86 billions in revenues, $13 billion in net income, and a market cap of $284 billion. The company has almost 13% in profit margins with 24% in operating ones. It pays a dividend, which is based on the company’s growth, and profits should continue to rise for the next (very conservatively here) 3-4 years. PBR just had a 2:1 split carried out May 8, 2008.

With oil possibility hitting the $200 p/b mark in the not too-distant future, I remain of the opinion that the energy sector should be overweighted long-term. In particular, producers are likely to see large increases in production of either oil or gas over the next several years. At the large cap end of the spectrum this certainly includes Petrobras.

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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:27 pm 
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Not only is Petrobras one of the world’s biggest oil producers, it is also the world’s biggest BioFuel producer.


I wonder what Brazil charges for their BioFuel. I bet it shadows the price of oil. If it does (it likely does), then just goes to show alternative energy solutions will simply shadow the price of oil no matter the production cost. So BioFuels aren't putting a dent in the cost to fill up. Just another reason to continue getting oil the old fashioned way.

One issue with BioFuel (among many) is that it takes a lot of land to grow the crops.... what happens as more and more people populate the earth? How to grow for fuel and food? Which do you think will be a priority?


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Something for the guys to ponder here is who really controls the oil prices? Most people look at the first level & say it is the Big Oil Co. but is it? The big oil companies here only control 7% of the total oil reserves :shock: ! I just don't think the USA & its Big Oil Co are big enough to control the world prices. Right now it looks like the price has been driven because even at these high prices no one has the reserve capacity to pump enough out of the ground to meet the current demand. Yes it is down there but a lot of inept Gov't around the world that don't have a real good hand on securing it all.

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The big oil companies here only control 7% of the total oil reserves

True, but you also have a government partnered up with big oil that allows big oil to write the national energy laws behing closed doors with sealed records, keeps domestic refinery building at a standstill, keeps putting huge amounts of oil in the strategic reserves when they are already 97% full, allows titans in the industry to merge, blocks efforts to increase mpg minimums, refuses to pass laws to end or minimize the speculation in the market and has it's military invade(Iraq) and threaten to invade(Iran) and prepare to threaten to invade(Venezuela) of big producers who won't play ball.

After reading your Petrobas article one thing became clear to me, the supposed shortage of oil is a farce. Where is Teddy Roosevelt when you need him?.


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We won't see any relief until "the war of terror" ends. It's slowly suffocating our economy. And I'm pretty sure that it has an effect on oil prices as well. If that idiot had one more term, the US would be in serious trouble.


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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 9:53 pm 
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Big Oil firms aren't the bandits here

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OTTAWA -- Question: Is the U.S. quickly running out of oil?

Answer: Not really. The U.S. possesses enormous oil reserves. It prefers, for environmental reasons, not to market them. Peter Robertson, vice-chairman of Chevron, told U.S. columnist Cal Thomas the other day that the U.S. has plenty of oil but noted: "Eighty-five per cent of [U.S.] offshore oil is off limits." This, despite the fact that advanced technology for offshore drilling ensures little environmental risk: "During hurricanes Katrina and Rita," Mr. Robertson said, "more than 1,000 offshore wells were destroyed [in the Gulf of Mexico] but not one of them leaked." The U.S. has 30 billion barrels of proved reserves and another 112 billion barrels unproved but deemed recoverable - enough to run the U.S. economy for decades. Further, it has supplementary fossil fuel resources (coal and shale) almost beyond calculation - enough to run the U.S. economy for centuries. Ironically, the U.S. no-drilling policy ensures that the U.S. will ultimately - and inadvertently - possess the largest strategic crude oil reserve in the world.

Well, the world is quickly running out of oil, right?

Not really. The U.S. Energy Information Administration calculates that the world's proven reserves of oil will last for 50 years at current rates of production but notes that proven reserves are still increasing year over year - as they have for more than 25 years. In the early 1980s, the world's proven reserves would have lasted for only 30 years at the 1980s rate of production.

Surely you will concede that the big multinational oil companies are global oligopolists engaged in a criminal conspiracy to rip off the people of the world?

Not really. Look at the oil reserves that the nine biggest oil companies control. Add them up. There's Exxon Mobil, Chevron, ConocoPhillips and Occidental from the U.S. There's BP from Britain and Total from France. There's Shell from Holland and Statoil from Norway. There's Eni from Italy. Together, they control only 4 per cent of the world's oil reserves. Incidentally, the people who own Big Oil are mostly regular folk. Corporate insiders own 1 per cent of the shares; and big institutional investors own 5 per cent. Mutual funds own 30 per cent; pension funds own 27 per cent; individuals own 37 per cent - with most of the shares held in retirement accounts.

Surely you will concede, though, that the Big Oil companies routinely fix prices at the pump?

Not really. In a literal sense, many prices are "fixed." Someone "fixes" the fee that hospitals charge for beds. Someone "fixes" the price of milk, eggs and butter. But there is far more intense competition between oil companies than there is between public hospitals or between dairy farmers. Gas companies are uniquely competitive and motorists are uniquely competitive. The shopping experience for gas is far more intense than for other goods. It is almost athletic. Many people will drive across town - speed across town - to save a penny a litre. The higher the price, the more competitive the market. This is why oil companies are reporting declines in earnings this year even though pump prices have never been higher.

But surely you will concede that the oil companies have made off like bandits in the past couple of years.

Not really. Oil companies fared well in 2005 and 2006, at the height of the business cycle - a period when all businesses fared well. In the U.S., the oil companies earned a return on investment of 22.5 per cent in 2005 compared with a return of 21.0 per cent for the S&P industrials. But they had earned a return of only 9.9 per cent a year, on average, during the past 25 years - when the S&P industrials earned 12.0 per cent a year. In 2001, by the way, these companies got 14.3 per cent of the pump price for distribution, marketing and margin; so far in 2008, they are getting 9.2 per cent.

Whatever. Most people still think the government should do something.

Precisely. Here at home, the federal government alone collects an extra $100-million in windfall revenue from every 10-cent increase in gas prices. As the Canadian Taxpayers Federation observed earlier this week, in observance of its Gas Tax Honesty Day, one of the biggest costs in filling our tanks is the cost of government. Taxes account for 28 per cent of pump prices. Strip out the taxes (32.6 cents a litre) and you get back to the real price of gas: 86 cents a litre. All by itself, this honest-to-God price proves that there's no scarcity of oil. Which is obvious when you think about it. When - anywhere in the world - have we ever run out of gas?

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MG this may help your pain :lol: !!

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We pay 5.18CDN per gallon. Oh well.


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