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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 11:39 pm 
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Hey MG, yep I have an extra room!!

Guys read all the above and then ask yourself why, besides the chicas, BB57 lives in Costa Rica and not in the USA! Duh, duh!! :roll:

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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 11:45 pm 
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Most people here have to drive 80 to 150 miles a day for work.


Probably driving alone in an SUV or giant sedan or supercab truck too so for the most part, I don't feel sorry for Americans. They want it big and bad and showy so now they are paying the price. My neighbor has a big bad supercab truck that sits in the driveway these days, but this just proves he never NEEDED it to begin with. A trophy in the driveway now.

By the way folks, other parts of the world, with worse roads, were paying what we pay for gas now 2 years ago.

At 60 mph average 120 miles takes 2 hours, but since most travel in rush hour 120 mile would easily take 2.5 hours.... ridiculous... MOVE!!!!!

We are hypocrites all the way to the top of the GREEN movement - yeah, Al Gore is sitting all nice and comfy in his 10,000 sqft mansion. Any chance he has a 4 cylinder? Any chance anyone in his family has a 4 cylinder?

Americans don't save and so it is very easy for any bump in the road to turn into a mountain - most people live on the edge by their own doing so I actually do not have much sympathy.... more like "told you so.... told you to save!" What kills me is that because we have jobs in the US, every American could be sitting pretty, but most people, even those making the big money Phuck themselves up by endlessly spending on material bullshit.


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First, who are you to tell us what we need and don't need? Try towing a horse trailer with that four banger. :roll:

Second, how many of those countries that have been paying high prices for years produce nearly half their own oil? :oops:

Third, you have enormous balls to bring politics into fuel prices with AL Gore when we all know who benefitted the most from high oil prices. Get serious. :?

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You have no idea the troubles I am having. we spent $2.7m on diesel last year. they expect over $1.3m more this year, and so far our costs are up 90%. I am told they are hoping it will average out to only 50% up. we are trying to open for business on thursdays instead of wednesdays whenever possible this year. I am hoping to not be unemployed by the 4th of july!

we run generators pretty much non-stop from april to november for everything from our home rv power to run the rides. when we are open we need at a minimum of 1000000 Watts, usually running a 600KW and 2 350KW generators. I am phucked!

and that is not counting the cost of moving over the road with 35 trucks and over 5 loads every week. my fuel bill with $14,000 for off-road fuel and about $11,000 for the road fuel! did I mention that I am phucked? if the company goes out of business do i still get unemployment?

I am only kidding, I work for the largest travelling amusement company in north america and my job is really NOT in jeopardy, but my unit could very well be no more. we have been on the road since the end of march and still are in the red. not looking good.


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It's hurting everyone, even working girls. They don't usually have cars (in Latin America), but they depend on us to make lots of trips. I'm in Cali at the moment and airfare was $578 R.T. from Miami. I was here six weeks ago and it was $465. Before that I paid as little as $380 within the last 18 months.

I know I'm going to find Brazil more expensive when I get there. The airfare is high and so are apartments. The girls don't want to hear your problems because they could care less - they need the same reias as before if not more. And having a "steady" is hardly less expensive, as everyone knows.

What does it boil down to as far as this site is concerned? Nookie is more. Same airline, same girl, same apartment - more useless greenbacks for each.

There's always castration... Oh, right, that's what the oil companies are doing.. :shock:

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First, who are you to tell us what we need and don't need? Try towing a horse trailer with that four banger. :roll:
For those that have a horse trailer, then they NEED a big truck hence my post had need bolded and if my neighbor had a horse trailer, I would not have used him as an example. By the way, my feeling is that the vast majority of large truck and large SUV owners do not have trailers of any sort (my observation).

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Second, how many of those countries that have been paying high prices for years produce nearly half their own oil? :oops:
If one lives in a very capitalist country (USA is number 1), it matters none if the oil comes from the USA - the market dictates price. Unlike Saudi Arabia, Venezuela and Iran, the US gov't doesn't own the oil that comes from the US. They make cars in the USA too, but they aren't any cheaper than the ones made outside the USA. Ya think Japan gives TVs away?

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Third, you have enormous balls to bring politics into fuel prices with AL Gore when we all know who benefitted the most from high oil prices. Get serious. :?
I wrote this from the "get serious" point of view, not high oil prices. If the spokesman for the green movement can't set a good example, we still aren't that serious. Do as I say not as I do isn't a good example. Us Americans still are more about comfort than the pain that goes with saving.


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Good thread MG.

My opinion is that....Yeah this fuel thing sucks but it is what it is. I personally sold my boat and my Ford Expedition that towed it and now drive a hyundai sonata - why? So I can travel to SJO and get naked every month with my girlfriend. I made adjustments in my life (to accomodate my dick)

Granted, if I had a million in the bank, I would probably have a 40 foot Hatteras in Playa Flamingo fishing with you but I know I wouldn't be driving a Hummer here in South Florida.

I guess what I am saying is that people could make adjustments - we just don't. By the way, the HOV lane was empty this morning because people don't want to ride with someone else - yet I bet most of them have complained recently about the cost of gas.


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My opinion on this - a lot of the blame seems to be going to the large oilcos, but the reality is the market sets the price, and world demand is outstripping supply. With the world probably at or near "peak oil" (supply has been essentially flat for 3 year now) that reality is unlikely to change. Basically, though there may be temporary pullbacks in price, it seems clear to me that the era of cheap and easy oil (and cheap air travel) is ending. The weakening dollar of course is also a contributor to rising prices and airfares.

How to deal then? Well, I had an investment in an oil ETF (USO) and made some money on it, but I sold it too soon expecting a pullback! I'm looking for a new pullback to re-enter. I also have investments in precious metals to protect against the weakening dollar and am way up on those despite recent pullbacks. I've also been working hard to make/save/invest money, and have put off my first trip of the year till this summer and plan to spend 3 weeks in my favorite place. I had made tentative plans to make my first ever Brazil trip this year, but I simply can't stomach the 4 digit airfares and general financial ramifications of a stay there - I now wonder whether a Brazil trip will ever happen for me in this life :(

Lots of great financial articles including info on the "peak oil" issue, and a weekly podcast (I am listening to it now),
alas very sobering: http://www.financialsense.com

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Kind of funny actually. The US is whining over oil prices the world has been paying for decades. If it last for a while people in the States might actually have to adjust their lives.


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The price of diesel is what will truly cripple the economy, in the end.We can drive less, but unless you want to start growing your own food and making your own clothes, the trucks will keep rolling. A not so big secret in the transportation industry, for those not in the know. At best, even when fuel prices are much lower than they are now, trucking companies end up pocketing less than 7 cents per mile. The rest is for diesel, purchasing the vehicles, paying the driver, maintenance (usually in that order). At present most trucking companies are putting less than 4 cents per mile in thier pockets. After a certain point most companies will expect massive increases in shipping fees(30% or more), or the shipper be it a farmer, manufacturer or retailer will be SOL. That is when the retailer passes the cost on to the consumer and the cost of living skyrockets. Overnight.

The solution? Since diesel drives the economy, start driving diesel. Diesel fuel prices should be regulated and indexed.Most countries do this already, we are just slow to the table, as usual.Bringing down the cost of diesel would boost the economy incredibly. Profits of businesses in all sectors would go up. Prices would go down. Unless you guys can come up with another fuel to put in a Peterbuilt


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a lot of the blame seems to be going to the large oilcos, but the reality is the market sets the price, and world demand is outstripping supply. With the world probably at or near "peak oil"

My opinion, in a free market yes market sets the price, but we don't have a free market, we have huge corporations who are in bed with policy making politicians. In a free market someone 15 or 40 years ago would have invented and marketed an alternative to the internal combustion engine. Besides this supply and refining is controlled by large syndicates both foreign and domestic. We haven't build a refinery or adjusted mpg minimums for 25 years. Doesn't that sound a little fishy.

There is always going to be greed and corruption in all facets of human activity and we can survive and sometime even thrive with that unless they go to far. It doesn't matter how much milk gets stolen or spilled as long as you don't kill the cow. I feel they are pretty close to killing the cow.

As a solution the only one I can see is bio-fuel, it can't be anything we need as we are now too numerous that even using something like sea-water would have an impact on ecology. For that reason I think as all we can use is.....Shit!. If they could figure out a way to use human and maybe even cow waste for fuel I think we'd be all set. You'd have to kill the smell but I'm sure they could find some enzymes for that. This way as our population grows our fuel supply also grows.


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We are hypocrites all the way to the top of the GREEN movement - yeah, Al Gore is sitting all nice and comfy in his 10,000 sqft mansion. Any chance he has a 4 cylinder? Any chance anyone in his family has a 4 cylinder?

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Yeah, Al's son was pulled over in his Toyota Prius on an LA freeway for speeding and he just happened to be smoking a little herb. So I would say the Gore is organic in every way :wink:


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For that reason I think as all we can use is.....Shit!. If they could figure out a way to use human and maybe even cow waste for fuel I think we'd be all set. You'd have to kill the smell but I'm sure they could find some enzymes for that. This way as our population grows our fuel supply also grows.


LOL! That is funny and I bet it has been thought about too.


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For that reason I think as all we can use is.....Shit!. If they could figure out a way to use human and maybe even cow waste for fuel I think we'd be all set. You'd have to kill the smell but I'm sure they could find some enzymes for that. This way as our population grows our fuel supply also grows.
LOL! That is funny and I bet it has been thought about too.

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Kind of funny actually. The US is whining over oil prices the world has been paying for decades. If it last for a while people in the States might actually have to adjust their lives.
Yeah, this is my feeling as well. They might have to adjust DOWN instead of the steady drive UP! God forbid they'd have to get in a 4 banger. God forbid they have to live in a smaller house where the K*ds don't get their own bedroom with a full bath - all the giant houses have to be heated and cooled.

What really really sucks, is that we've developed our communities such that the houses are away from the stores, the shopping malls are away from the office buildings, the office buildings are away from houses. Every area has its little purpose which promotes having to drive from one "purpose" area to another. When things get bad, really bad, that's when you'll see some houses in the pretty little neighborhood converted to STORES so people don't have to get in their cars so much. Wouldn't that be great, an actual store in a neighborhood where people actually live! They might even convert a house in the pretty neighborhood into a doctor's office - how cool would that be to be able to go to the dentist or GP in your neighborhood.

I'm not hell bent on being green though I can see it would appear so. I have witnessed the way we develop and it never made sense to me and I witnessed the carpools of the 80s because of the price increase in gas in the 70s go by the wayside. Give us Americans the opportunity to be wasteful and we'll use it up.


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8 Years ago papa Bush took his son into a room and told him, sonny boy, my friends and I are gonna put you in the white house....and when you get there here's what we want you to do...

and the results are in...

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I wonder how high gas prices have to go before people stop driving. I think in Florida this is happening. I drove 95 down to MIA yesterday expected a 90 min stop n go, but it was smooth sailing all the way. OTOH here in San Jose I took a taxi from near the Dungeon to Guadalupe and we fought traffic the whole way. Gasoline is 4 dollars a gallon in the US and Costa Rica both the same price mas o menos. Interesting.


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