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Are you less satisfied with your "gulch experience" today than in the past (1-2 years ago)??
Poll ended at Sat May 17, 2008 10:53 am
Yes 54%  54%  [ 38 ]
No 46%  46%  [ 33 ]
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:47 am 
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Circus wrote:
Things change, we change and time goes on.......Shit, now I'm depressed at 8 am on a Sunday morning. I need a drink.


I was sitting here with some very good mango juice, reliving memories of CR, and when I read this post I decided to drop a few ounces of vodka in it. I think the vodka keeps me young.

It is interesting to hear reflections from a guy who has been to CR going back nearly 40 years. I sometimes snicker to myself talking to chicas who were born when I was in high school....must really be something to be talking to chicas whose grandmothers or great grandmothers were pawning pu*sy back in the day.


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I think the vodka keeps me young.
It has certainly worked for Circus. :)
Yes you know we are getting older when GILFs (Grandmothers I’d Like to f**k) start looking attractive http://www.youtube.com/user/gilf
Circus can you recommend any Gulch GILFs? :twisted:

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Crookedcr wrote:
...I think it was MG who responded to a post in which I encouraged people to make some effort to change the mood at ZB, and he said that the customer should not have to create the mood.

Don't think it was me that made that comment, but nevertheless - I agree with Pac55's comments.

I voted YES in this poll. And I believe that your gulch experience is totally what YOU make of it. Sure things change, inventory of chica's changes, our perception of the gulch changes once you get more trips under your belt, attitudes change, prices change, service changes, venues change, etc. But there's no reason that anyone can't still have an outstanding time playing the P4P game in SJO.

Like CiaoCiao said "No matter where you go, there you are". I totally agree with this. When I'm in CR, whether I'm in the gulch or not, I bring the party with me. And I've had many wingmen who'll attest to this! :oops: :lol: I'm there to enjoy myself, and I always go with an up-beat attitude. If I'm around people (or chicas) who are "gloomy", I'll throw a phucking bucket of water on the crowd and stir things up. My attitude is - I'm gonna have fun dammit! And noone's going to stop me! And if you don't want to play... then stay on the porch!

I always try to look at the glass as half full! :wink:

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I've seen the changes in my 4+ short years of going to the gulch. To be honest it has only been on my last few trips where I have actually been in the gulch. Still I have seen the changes.

CR has not lost any of it's charm for me. I am not a tree hugger by any means but love the country itself. There is too much beauty in the country for me to stop going.

Thailand, P.I., Rio, Canary Islands, have much to offer but I think it is the people of CR that keep me coming back. They are warm and friendly. It may be me but I think they are honest about it too.

Mongering in the states is way too expensive, especially in Mass. Also the talent there is not waht it used to be. Many of the agencies are scraping these days. I used to live there.

Sorry, but I like it and will keep coming back. 28 days and counting actually. Then 3 months until the next trip.

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Don't think it was me that made that comment, but nevertheless - I agree with Pac55's comments.

When I'm in CR, whether I'm in the gulch or not, I bring the party with me. And I've had many wingmen who'll attest to this! :oops: :lol: I'm there to enjoy myself, and I always go with an up-beat attitude. If I'm around people (or chicas) who are "gloomy", I'll throw a phucking bucket of water on the crowd and stir things up. My attitude is - I'm gonna have fun dammit! And noone's going to stop me! And if you don't want to play... then stay on the porch!


Didn't mean to put words in your mouth...I guess I forgot who made that earlier observation. I totally agree with your approach.....If you need to toss a bucket of water to liven things up, float colones down from the balcony, etc. then that is what you need to do to make it fun. If one does not want to make his own party, then maybe CR isn't the best choice.


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You can bring your own party to hell, too, but what's the point? The idea is not to have to bring squat when you spend bucks and make time to travel, IMHO. The party should come to you in all its glory and splendor in the form of hot, good-looking girls with terrific attitudes.

A test is to go to 3 or 4 or 5 different locales; same guy, different scenes. If the quality of the party changes, then there's only one explanation. Pressure is the single most destructive factor on girls. When I was a lad my father used to use the word "pressure" when we were fishing in fished out waters or hunting where bird shot was zinging over our heads from other hunters. When he went fishing or hunting he didn't want to see one other boat or hunter - or else there was too much "pressure." If you ever phucked a "hot" American girl, you understand the detrimental effects of pressure.

If you're just starting out, or enjoy the hang in SJ, or can't afford the time or money to venture out, it still beats anything here - make no mistake. And it is close and relatively easy to get to. But if you can get to some South American or Asian destinations, you'll notice a big difference in the girl's looks and attitudes. And getting off the beaten trail even in those places can pay huge dividends. When I go to Rio, Help disco is about 5th on my list of things to do unless I just want to drink and trip on putas. The real gems from the standpoint of girl-next-door freshness are found elsewhere.

Colombia has gotten expensive to fly to. Has anybody noticed?

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Jazz Musician wrote:
You can bring your own party to hell, too, but what's the point?


The point is that if hell is right next door and cheap, easy and fast to get to, it may be worth bringing your party with you, vs. spending another 20 hours of travel and $1,000 to get out of hell to a place where the party makes itself.


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Floating one mil colone notes off a balcony!!! It always starts with the $$$! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Well, I also said:

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...it still beats anything here - make no mistake. And it is close and relatively easy to get to.


Colombia is 3:15 hours from Miami instead of 2.45 hours to SJ. Real, unspoiled, hot Colombianas with sweet attitudes, starting at $25 at Dr. Love's in Cali and $50 at LDV in Cartagena, not to mention Medellin. Speaking of hell, that sounds like heaven to me...

And then there's Rio....

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Jazz is onto something with the pressure theory and sometimes the lousy atmosphere is just too much work to overcome. I didn't session once at NF last trip since everyday the chicas were busy watching TV, putting on makeup or sitting there looking pissed off. One I was interested in just kept ignoring my attempts to get her attention so I said screw it and went to ZB which is usually a much better atmosphere, but not always. I did encounter the same there occasionally but not as bad as NF. Another problem there with the guys interacting with the chicas is they can tie up the hotties dancing with them, bullshitting and buying them drinks so you can't always just walk in and grab one you want. The pressure from popularity can result in more than just bad attitudes.

BB57 I have a couple places in mind you should take OFF your tour please and save those unspoiled chicas for us. :wink:

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Paco - I hate going to joints where girls look bored. It's astonishing how fantastic and appreciative a girl's attitude can be when she's a little hungry. I know, that statement plays into the worst fears of all those self-righteous feminists cultivating their fat asses in the States. Lord knows they're not hungry. But think about it; where in life is the prospect of eating adequately not linked to attitude and performance? We all have wonderful attitudes - even terrific - when the promise of financial security presents itself and overpowers the threat of hunger. And our enthusiasm is not necessarily all an act.

I see corruption on two levels. Guys throwing money around can both spoil the attractive girls, and depress the 5's and 6's. The attractive girls figure if you're not easy enough for an effortless transaction, they can move on, no problem. And the girls who rarely get chosen can resent all the action being so close, yet so far. Traffic may be great for throwin' back some suds with guys and telling fish tales and phuck stories about the ones that got away, but it can have no positve effect on girl's attitudes. It may attract some good-looking girls, but they're mostly going to be pro's.

Having said that, it's still better than a kick in the teeth and certainly makes anything here pale. And the country is beautiful when you get out of the city. I'm sure the guys who live there find some true gems as well. But it's hard to see how all the press, websites, and word-of-mouth about SJ over recent years could have helped.

If nothing else it's made booking a room at the Pres a pain in the ass.

"We have the 8th, 9th, and 10th, but are full on the 11th and 12th. Send your credit card info to hold the 3 nights and we'll put you on the waiting list for the other days."

Hum...Thank you very much. I'll think about it...

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Jazz...I also agree you are on to something with the "hunting pressure" analogy. I dont go as far back as Don Gordo or Circus on the CR scene...but when I first went to San JOse in 2001...I was just overwhelmed with how fun, open and friendly the girl scene was. Then after moving and living there 3 years...I saw each year more and more gringos with fat bankrolls...and more and more Delrey girls growing their fat rolls at McDonalds. And I completely understood how burnt out many of these girls were doing multiple fat guys like us every day. If you really think about it...well...just imagine if YOU made a living servicing multiple fat gringas every day who wanted to kiss and have BFE with you or demanding you go down on them. AFter a while, YOUR eyes would glaze over too and you wouldnt be able to wait until your next feeding at the trough to forget about where you have just been. Sorry guys...but most of us are not an exciting catch for these chicas. And the more of us that come...the more they become "biz as usual" or at least a bit unexcited about their job. Time to find some fresh hunting grounds.

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Jazz - good points.

I have wanted to make an excursion to Colombia but the idea is somewhat unsettling for a variety of reason but primarily my weak command of the language. I guess the locals learning English goes somewhat hand-in-hand with the locale getting more and more gringoized....so it seems one can't have both, and probably, as many has stated before, the best fun will be had by those guys who have at least a working knowledge of the language and, therefore, and venture out either to venues in CR or other destinations entirely where they can find fun and low prices.


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I think a lot of the negativism has to do with "familiarity breeds contempt". On the first exposure to CR,and the Gulch in particular,guys are usually overwhelmed. Whether it is the DR,KL,NF or ZB they have never experienced anything close to this utopia anywhere in the States. Unless they have mongered in other destinations around the World,this is as good as it gets. Sometimes I have to pry a newbie away from a less than desirable chica,and tell him to wait and see the others. We've all experienced the "first time" walking into the DR. (except my friend Circus who started so long ago and has "vodkacised" (my word) himself so he can't remember yesterday.) After many trips here,the experience tends to be more routine. I have lived here for almost 4 years now. For me,I wouldn't trade it for anywhere on Earth. I don't spend endless hours at the DR like I used to.However when I am there I am usually focused on finding new chicas to supplement my rotation. The "hunt" is still a favorite activity. The good ones still go there.You just have to be patient.Living here,as many of us do,you aren't under the PRESSURE as Jazz says,to "hurry up and have a good time".


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I think a lot of the negativism has to do with "familiarity breeds contempt". On the first exposure to CR,and the Gulch in particular,guys are usually overwhelmed. Whether it is the DR,KL,NF or ZB they have never experienced anything close to this utopia anywhere in the States. Unless they have mongered in other destinations around the World,this is as good as it gets. Sometimes I have to pry a newbie away from a less than desirable chica,and tell him to wait and see the others. We've all experienced the "first time" walking into the DR. (except my friend Circus who started so long ago and has "vodkacised" (my word) himself so he can't remember yesterday.) After many trips here,the experience tends to be more routine. I have lived here for almost 4 years now. For me,I wouldn't trade it for anywhere on Earth. I don't spend endless hours at the DR like I used to.However when I am there I am usually focused on finding new chicas to supplement my rotation. The "hunt" is still a favorite activity. The good ones still go there.You just have to be patient.Living here,as many of us do,you aren't under the PRESSURE as Jazz says,to "hurry up and have a good time".

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