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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:19 am 
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On May 6 and May 7, 2008, I'll be doing a drive-around / walkabout tour of some of the towns around SJ with a hired bi-lingual van driver (perhaps Juan Carlos from the SL). I'm doing this to get the flavor of some of the areas so I can better know which areas I should focus on for a possible future extended stay and ultimate relocation. These are day trips of about 9 or 10 a.m. to about 4 p.m. and at a slow pace with plenty of time for stops to see things, get out and walk and grab a beer and a bite or two or three in several different, mostly tico areas of the out-lying towns. It should be a fairly informative tour.

This is not-for-profit and the cost of the driver/van would be shared equally; about $80 to $100 total for each day, I'd guess, depending on the number going; so if two or more go, it'd be a fairly cheap day. I'm doing the tour regardless of the cost myself but thought that seeing the areas thru several sets of discerning eyes would be better than mine alone. If you have any interest in seeing some of the outlying areas on one or both of these dates, post here or send me a note.

This thread is also posted in the Non-Gulch Activities Section.

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Cartago a must. Won't even feel like in San Jose. Los Yoses past Univ. de C.R. interesting. Can do this on way to Cartag.


I also rented a car and drove around the entire outside of S.J. Takes incredible long because of traffic and construction but what you see is amazing. I also took some risk and bisected Hatillo but only on the main road. What I saw even at 12 noon enough to never do it at night and never under any circumstance go off main road. I drive a cheap rental and dress down like Ticos plus even ballcap on backwards and slunk low so not as to draw attention. Hell I even bisected south central L.A. one time just to see the Watts tower. When I saw 30-40 congregated in the middle of one side side in Watts time to get the phuck out.


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Alajuela and Heredia also. And the route between them interesting.

There's also this killer nice town down behind the airport on the back way to Escazu that is really nice (San Antonio de Belen??).

Also a little more on the danger side one time I tryed to get to the airport a back way from Parque La Sabana and ended up dead ended in the back of what I believe Pavas is. Most of it ok but at the back end tons of trash piled up and little shanties that I saw people walking to on dirt paths. Was 10:30A and felt secure but very interesting.


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Thanks Jester, I'd just started a "to see" list. I hadn't really thought about a "to avoid" list, but you've given me something to start working with here. I was going to rely on the driver's knowledge of the surrounding areas for that, but the prior insight is great to know. I'm curious to see how this all will look on a map when I'm finished. With emphasis on the "YMMV" factor, I would appreciate input from anyone of this. I'm not concerned about visiting or living long-term in a totally tico neighborhood but, as is the case in any city or town, there are areas you just don't feel welcome in.

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I second Cartago.

I don't know if it's too far for you, but I'd also recommend the Orosi Valley area. Very pretty.


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Cartago is a definate on the list and I've wanted to see the Orosi area for awhile so I think one day will be devoted to the east and northeast areas. The other day will focus on areas like Sarchi, Grecia and some of the closer-in areas to the north and northwest. If there are any gems to the south, I'd love to hear about them.

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Great idea. Can't join you but here's a couple of ideas...

1. Get a map and plan a route. I'm a map freak so for me this is half the fun

2. Definitely go to Cartago. Visit the basilica. drink the holy water and visit Las Ruinas. The jail is interesting too. Watch the ticas arrive for their conjugal visits con sus maridos! :twisted:

3. Definitely go to Heredia. I'm a big fan of Heredia. It's a smaller, cleaner, safer verson of San Jose. A college town as well with lots of young chicas.

4. Take at least one ride up into the southern slopes of one of the volcanoes...Irazu (via Cartago) Barva (via Heredia) or Poas (via Alejuela) . Do this early in the day to reduce the risk of clouds and rain. The views of the central valley and the mountains to the south are breathtaking. You can climb up the slopes of Barva to a little mountain village named Sacramento and have lunch there. Very scenic ride.

5. In any village/town you visit there is always a "parque central" and a church at one end. Always a good place to see the natives and get a feel for the locale.

6. Avoid traffic wherever you can. Sitting in a tour van sucks in traffic.

7. Stop off at a Mas X Menos and stock up on snacks before you go. Don't forget the alcoholic beverages.

8. Bring a favorita...the tour will be far more enjoyable with a sweet smelling cuerpo, soft lips and a pair of breats to squeeze a vez en cuando...

Have fun and I look forward to a report...

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A slight correction. Los Yoses is close in to downtown BEFORE you get to UCR-San Pedro. You pass along the north edge of it on your way out to the San Pedro Mall or you could also pass along the south edge of it on your way out to Cartago. However, the more usual route is to head down Calle 9 past Pantera Rosa, around Gonzalez Viquez Park and along the main diagonal thoroughfare that takes you out by way of Zapote.

Regardless, other than the drive-through, I wouldn't spend any time on Los Yoses or any of the other places so close in to downtown, not because they wouldn't possibly worth relocating to but because you can organize your own "tour" of them by simply taking the local public bus and/or walking around. I'd save my time with the private driver for the places you can not so easily get to on your own.

Also, IMHO, trying to do the full circuit around SJ in one day is good for little more than getting an overview. The so-called autopista or expressway around SJ is anything but express. It gets heavily backed up with traffic and the regularly spaced auto-rotundas (traffic-circles) certainly don't help. Get off the main autopista and it doesn't get much better. I know some people that advocate doing this by taking the bus that circumnavigate the city as a day trip (more like half-day). You can simply get off one and on another if you want to stop and look around or even drive it straight through. Again, checking out neighborhoods that close to SJ is somethinrg anybody can easily do on their own taking their time. I think OSG has the right idea. Don't try to cover everything in 1 day. Split it into at least 2. I'd go further and state the obvious. You're probably going to want to do areas to the east of SJ one day and the areas to the west of SJ on a seperate day so that you'll have at least sometime to get out and look around and not spend all your time in traffic trying to get from one place to the next.

DAY ONE (or 2) - EAST AND SOUTH OF SJ - I've heard a lot of guys like Jester and Archie talk about Cartago and the Orosi Valley. Personally. I don't see it. Don't get me wrong. Those areas are nice but IMHO are not "all that". Still different strokes for different folks and you never know which area will strike each person as the best place to be. That said, here are my thoughts on the area:
Tres Rios - Start by checking out this area on the way to Cartago(~11kms from SJ). This has been an "up and coming" area ever since they put in the new big shiny mall a couple of years ago. Also being on the main transportation route between Cartago and SJ there is regular and frequent bus service which could be an especially big factor if you won't have a car and want to be able to easily pop into SJ whenever you want.
Cartago - This is the one "big" city in this area (~22kms from SJ). At ~230K, it has well over half that province's population. It has some major sights such as the Basilica and the original church ruins in the center of town, but other than that IMHO has the typical grungy "charm" of most CR cities. Still if you want to stay close to some amenities (stores of all types, restaurants, bars and, who knows, maybe a local MP hidden away somewhere) and also want regular bus connections with SJ (which run every 10 minutes from 5AM-midnight) than Cartago is "the end of the line" so to speak. Personally, I'd rather be a little bit more removed in a more tranquil setting if it were me, perhaps more on the outskirts of town or elsewhere in the province. If you want a slightly cooler climate consider the Tierra Blanca area just north of downtown going up the slopes of the Irazu Volcano. You could go higher still for cooler climes and greater isolation but that is up to you.
Paraiso - is next going east (~30km from SJ). They have buses passing through hourly from SJ on their way to Turrialba or other points east. But for more regular service you'll probably have to change buses in Cartago (buses between Paraiso and Cartago run every 5 minutes until 11PM). Lankester Gardens are in Paraiso and depending on exactly where you locate you can have views of the Orosi valley without actually having to go down in it.
Orosi, Cachi, Ujarras - its your call if you want to go this far (~40km from SJ). I don't believe there are any direct buses to SJ from down in the valley but there are at least hourly ones to Cartago until 6:30 in the evening. Personally, this area would not be at the top of my list, but as you've seen a lot of people really like it. If nothing else, if you haven't seen it before, it is worth a drive through for sight-seeing purposes. I'd figure at least a couple of hours for the full loop from Cartago and back.
Turrialba - At ~65km from SJ Turrialba is Cartago's largest canton and its 2nd biggest "city". There are hourly buses to Cartago which also TAKE an hour as well as hourly buses to even more distant SJ. This is also a pretty area, formerly known as CR's whitewater rafting HQ although lately that claim seems to be shifting more towards Siquirres in the Limon province. It is also home to the Guayabo archeological ruins which are a very interesting site that I recommend others check out although probably not on a day dedicated to far ranging exploration and resettlement research. If you head out this way at all, more likely you won't want to go any further than San Rafael (or MAYBE Cervantes or Juan Vinas) along the southern "Paraiso" route to Turrialba or Cot or Pacayas along the slightly cooler northern route (along the base of the Irazu and Turrialba volcanos). Alternatively you could cover this as aloop from Cartago going by way of Pacayas one way and Juan Vinas on the wayback (or v.v.)(figure at least a couple of hours for that)
Tejar, Tobosi, San Cristobal - One last loop that again will take at least a couple of hours if not much longer depending on the way you go. The first part sets out south of Cartago along the same route you'd take to San Isidro (ie with hourly buses to/from SJ at least duing the day). You can follow this route as far as San Cristobal Norte or Sur and then loop back to Cartago by way of Frailes and Tobosi (or else skip Tobosi and continue the loop to return to SJ by way of Aserri) or you can just skip either San Cristobal or Tobosi and return to SJ by Aserri. Which ever way you go you'll find beautiful mountain scenery. Geographically closer to SJ than the Turrialba area, this area is nonetheless remote transportation wise and I probably wouldn't consider it unless I was also planning on owning a car unless possibly I was more on the SJ side of the loop.
Last but not least Aserri, Tabarca - I know this area is high on my pal GringoTim's list (sorry Pete if I'm letting the cat out of the bag) as well as another good friend who is no longer a member here. Some of you may know this area better as the place where Ram Luna is located (ie with some truly awe inspiring views of the Central Valley at night). Most gringos haven't explored this area during the day (I confess I really haven't). It is just one of those areas that seem to get overlooked, but the scenery is supposed to be great, day or night, and there is a good road and regular public transportation (only~15kms to SJ), as far as Aserri at least.

DAY TWO (or one) - WEST AND NORTH OF SJ - IMHO, this area could even be easily split up into a third day, although with a driver you certainly get a decent overview in one day. If you do split it up, the first day you could go the Escazu, Santa Ana, Colon, San Antonio de Belen route (also returning by way of Alajuela and/or Heredia if you have time). The next day you could hit up Heredia and Alajuela on the way out (or finish up whatever you might have missed the day before) and then check areas further afield such as Grecia and Atenas. IMHO, if you try to do this in just one day, you'll either have to breeze through some of these places or be more selective which ones you really want to see. But that might be just fine for an initial overview trip. Apart from having what seems to me to be more candidate sites on this side of SJ, this area is also puts you that much closer to the Pacific beaches if you ever want to go down there for a day or weekend trip.
Escazu - Escazu really started out as 3 seperate towns, San Antonio, San Miguel and San Rafael, but they have grown together and function more as neighborhoods of Escazu. It has gotten hard to see where one ends and the other begins. San Rafael is closest to SJ only 7km away and connected by a major highway. Not much needs to be said about this area as it is pretty familiar to most gringos. A ritzy commercial center (the Beverly Hills or Rodeo Drive of CR), expensive homes, lots of gringo expats and wealthy ticos. Aside from its close location to SJ, it offers more than enough upscale shopping and dining that one wouldn't even need to go downtown (Multiplaza, CR's largest mall, is only minutes away). For many this is the ideal if not only place in CR that they'd consider living. For me, it does not seem that much different from living in some places in the US. Obviously YMMV. San Miguel, 1km further up the road, has managed to retain at least a little bit of colonial character. And San Antonio even further up the mountain side offers the most rural feel and, because of its higher elevation, cooler temperatures and more awesome views of the valley, but it is also a much longer trip to get into SJ.
Santa Ana - 13kms from SJ, but an easy drive being at the end of the Gen. Canas Hwy, Santa Ana is a little lower elevation than Escazu and thus tends to be a little warmer. Also, unlike Escazu, which lends a sense of suburban sprawl, Santa Ana has much more of a distinct village center. Santa Ana used to be billed as the lower priced alternative to Escazu. I'm not so sure how true that is any more since so many gringos have found out about it and driven up prices there.
Colon - 8kms beyond Santa Ana, Colon used to seem way out there. Still it has buses to/from SJ every 30 minutes (taking 40) that run until 11:30 at night (assuming you want to be on a bus that late at night) or about 20-25 minutes by car IF there is no traffic. Prices have gone way up here too, but it is still much cheaper then Escazu, which might offset the slightly longer distance for you. BTW, alternatively or inaddition to ccking out Colon you could also head higher into the mountains from Santa Ana towards Puriscal, for a beautiful but much further removed experience.
San Antonio de Belen - heading north from Santa Ana and just off of the main PanAm Hwy that runs through CR and between SJ and the airport, I don't know much about this area except that it is near the airport and the Cariari Golf Course (if golf is important to you that by itself might be the deciding factor). For that matter, there is also the area around Cariari itself (is that a town or just an area? :? ). If nothing else it makes sense to come back this way rather than recover the ground you've already seen.
Atenas - I don't know how far out you want to go. I suppose we could also talk about such places as San Ramon and Palmares or even beyond that. The reason I mention Atenas is because it is one of the hot places to relocate in CR. The main thing driving that is the new road to the coast which will cut driving time to the Pacific beaches way down when its ever finished. However Atenas also has a lot else going for it. Being at a much lower elevation than anyplace else I've mentioned so far it is also the warmest, which could either be a big plus or minus depending on your tastes. I believe National Geographic labeled it as having the best year round climate in the world a few years back. It is also a very scenic area with small valleys and pastoral scenes of dark green coffee fields, and lighter greens of various other crops. Unfortunately, Atenas is not the secret it once was, prices are way up (though still cheaper than Escazu) and new home development is rampant, possibly losing its character (or enhancing its attractiveness depending on your view of development). Oh yeah, Atenas has hourly buses taking an hour to make the ~45km trip running until ~10PM.
Grecia, Saarchi, Naranjo - I don't know if you also want to cover these areas since they're also pretty far out, however Grecia in particular is a village that is increasingly popular with many gringos. Grecia is about 45km from SJ (but only half that to the airport) with buses running every 30 minutes until 10PM and taking a hour. Grecia has the funky metal church and been billed as the "world's cleanest town" (something SJ could never claim). Saarchi has its colorful crafts markets. that tourist strip itself between the 2 Sarrrchis is pretty tacky but the town's themselves are pretty nice. I find the colorful church in Saarchi to be even more appealing than the more famous one in Grecia. Grecia has more shopping and services. but Grecia is just minutes away and has fewer gringos (and thus prehaps more reasonable pries). I'm not sure what Naranjo has that is special, but we might as well throw that town in here as well since it is in the same area. These are all nice little villages that would be worth a drive through even if you weren't house hunting. Overall it is a pretty rural area with lots of coffee farms and sugarcane.
Alajuela - 20km outside of SJ with buses running every 10minutes taking ~30 until 11PM. While not as low as Atenas it is still lower than SJ and so usually a degree or two warmer (unless you locate higher up on the slopes of Poas). It has a nice central park with big mango trees, lots of locals hanging out, a wonderful Saturday morning farmers market and even occasional outdoor concerts. It is also very convenient to the airport, a decent sized hospital and still reasonably close to SJ. However, I'd rank the town itself probably the least charming of the 4 provincial capitals in the central valley. Again YMMV. BTW, I suppose you could throw in the communities of La Garita and Gaucima just on the other side of the airport as long as you are out in this area.
Heredia - 12km from downtown SJ with buses running as frequently here as to/from Alajuela while taking just a little more than half the time. Also being partway up on the slopes of Barva volcano, depending on what side of town you are on it can be a degree or 2 cooler than SJ or Alajuela. Of the 4 provincial capitals this is the one that I feel has retained the most colonial charm. It has a very nice tree shaded central park (nicknamed "parque de las palomas muertas" or park of the dead doves referring to a certain part of the anatomy of the old coots that hang out there to scope out the young senoritas). And lets not forget the National University campuscampus on the eastern fringe of town. Second only in size to UCR-San Pedro, it adds 12K students to an overall city pop of only 80K thereby giving the community more than its share of youthfull energy (not to mention pretty coeds who go to NUCR for its teacher education programs). You might have guessed this is my personal favorite. It gets its share of gringos but a most of them seemto be located outside of town in one of the nearby communities. Somewhat more upscale San Joaquin is on the main road between Heredia and Alajuela. If you hit that the day before or are making a loop back, you should take the alternative route that swings further north up the slopes of Barva and returns to Heredia by way of Santa Barbara and Barva (home of Cafe Britt). If you still have time after all of this, rather than returning to SJ by way of the PAH, you could return by way of bougainvillea filled Santo Domingo, which is halfway about between Heredia and SJ and thus very convenient to SJ. Or you could take an even wider loop back by heading through San Rafael and San Isidro, returning late to SJ by way of the Tibas highway. BTW, that is San Rafael de Heredia not to be confused with the San Rafael de Escazu I mentioned earlier. There are many San Isidros, San Domingos etc. in CR. I omitted the usual suffixes that follow for the sake of brevity here (:roll:).
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WHAT A POST!I'll conclude witha few general observations and recommendations here.
1) You should have noticed that I mentioned the aspect of bus connections prominently here. Obviously this is not a factor right now if you have a driver-guide taking you around. It also still may not be an issue if you plan to have a car after you get here. However, owning a car in CR is usually one of the big budget busters for many gringos. Depending on where you choose to live (or how), owning a car might not be really necessary. For example, VB seems quite content taking cabs from Escazu for his daily visits to SJ. If you really want to save money or don't need to go into town that often, buses might be a more reasonable and economical alternative. At other places, bus coverage may not be adequate for your needs and even if you own a car the difference between a 15 minute drive into town and a hour one might be the difference between bothering to make the trip every day.

2) Weather. Notice I discussed elevations. Overall, at these latitudes and elevations weather tends to be fairly even and consistent, but the elevation can make the difference between weather that averages around 68° and 72°. Many places don't have A/C or, if they do, you don't use it. So ask yourself what temperature would you feel most comfortable at before you focus on mountainside communities or valley floor ones. Also keep in mind that while weather may not fluctuate as widely as it does up north it still varies. Check back on the areas you've narrowed your selection down to later on in the year so you can get an idea of what it is like in those places over time.

3) Like I said before, some guys couldn't see themselves living outside of a safe well-to-do heavily gringoized (ie familiar) community like Escazu. Other guys say they want to live like the ticos. In truth, I think very very few gringos could really live COMPLETELY like a tico. Ask yourself how "tico" do you really want to go. Maybe you don't want to be surrounded by gringos, but having a familiar gringo face to converse in english with occasionally or commiserate about such things as missed tico service appointments, weird banking or bill payment requirements and such, can be the difference between managing to cope with tico life and going completely crazy. There is a whole range of places from heavily gringo Escazu to places where you'll be the only gringo (or one of a very small handful) for miles.

4) Doing pre-research on-line has its definite limitations, but it does have its merits. Being on an english language site geared to gringos, prices listed will tend to be a lot higher than what ticos typically play. However, some sites can be good places of initial information about different communities. For example, check out http://www.1-costaricalink.com/costa_rica_provinces/heredia_costa_rica.htm for some basic info (click on the links at the top for info on other towns, cantons and provinces). This link at the same website has a lot of other info you might find useful http://www.1costaricalink.com/goldendoor/home.htm. Most websites are pure marketing, but there is another website I've seen which provided a great overview (even better than the above). Unfortunately, I lost the link but will see if I can refind it. Finally, check out the ARCR forum @ http://www.arcr.net or better yet attend their 2 day seminar. You won't be there for this upcoming trip but they have one every month on the last Thursday and Friday.

5) At this stage you will probably be doing well just to narrow your options down to a few areas. Unfortunately, that might not be so easy to do with out having a clearer idea of exactly how much it will cost you in different areas. If you are going to attempt to do this on-line, I suggest you check out the listings at a spanish language site like http://www.supereconomicos.com. If that is to difficult for you, you can get at least some idea by knocking about 25% or the gringo prices listed on the english language sites.

6) Perhaps the best way to real estate shop in CR is to get out and walk around. Look for "Se Vende" (or "Para Alquiler") signs and knock on doors, or better yet have your driver call on his cell to get the "Tico" price. Even if you're not ready to buy, it will help focus you in on realistic expectations. Get out and walk around. Does the neighborhood feel safe? Are the residents warm and friendly? How far is the walk from the property you might be interested to the nearest pulperia, mercado or bus stop? It may be too soon for this stage, until you have a better idea of the few areas you're really the most interested in. After all, you can't walk everywhere in just 2 days. But you will want to do it eventually and you might want to do it in at least a few places even on this trip if you find an area that really sparks your interest.


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Great summary Porlijo, Grecia by the way is may favorite town within an hour or bit more from San Jose. It is my choice for a place to live if I end up in CR down the road. Anouther great way to visit the towns around San Jose is just to take the local expess bus to a different place each day and experince the culture and see the sites of each.rbc100

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OSG, I suggest you take Pro's advice.

I recommended Orosi and Cartago because they were nice looking, I liked them, and I've heard them mentioned each time relocation comes up. I have no idea what they're like to live in. His information is much more relevant.

But I would make another recommendation. From reading Prolijo's comments it seems to me that your 2 day jaunt is TOTALLY insufficient to scope out the areas seriously. We're talking about a place to live for goodness sake. This is important. After reading his rundown I'd seriously recommend you spend a full 10 hour day in EACH of the places he lists. It will take you that long to intelligently put together enough info to know if you're interested in that town.

I know you can't do that May 6-7. So you should probably use May 6-7 as a scouting run only to eliminate contenders right off the bat from your next trip which will be a more in depth look. There are some places that you will go to and just know right away aren't for you. You should use your trip to find those and save the rest for your more in depth investigation later.

You can't pick a place to live in two days. Use the first round to weed out the obvious mismatches. Then dive into each in-depth.

Personally I'd probably put together a spreadsheet of pros and cons and matrix each towns points, and then throw it out the window when you just find the "right" place.


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I started that post this morning. Had to go out and came back to finish it. in the meantime, I noticed a couple of interim posts. So let me add a few more comments.

If you want to check out something to the south of SJ, then definitely Aserri and Tabarca. You could do this taking the back way back from Cartago, which will be scenic but will take some time. Alternatively, you could also do this without a driver by taking the bus directly up there from SJ one afternoon and possibly staying into the early evening for dinner at Ram Luna or one of the other miradors in the area and then grabbing a cab back to town. Wednesday is a good night to do that so you can enjoy their special Tierra Tico night buffet (only problem is the buffet doesn't start until 7PM so you'll have to occupy yourself with just the view for the hour or so after sunset).

Phoenix has some great suggestions, but I'd also add a few comments and minor changes here:

1) As you all know, I'm a map freak too. I'm not so sure how important it is to lay it all out in advance. Theoretically, that is what you have the driver guide for (just let him know in advance which places you're most interested in). I would, however, bring a map so you can follow along and know exactly where you are in relation to everything else, particularly since you'll probably wind up taking a round about route between all the various places rather than the normal and more direct you'd take to get back into town. Also you might find out you've bitten off more than you can chew or want to stop and focus on an area that you really like, so whatever plans you started out with very well might change once you get on the road.

2) I think Phoenix is making the same mistake that others are making. Some place may be great for a day of sightseeing. That doesn't mean that would be a place you'd want to live day after day. When you go on this trip, you should be going with a different eye. A little sightseeing thrown in along the way is perfectly fine, particularly if you haven't seen it before, but don't forget the main purpose of your visit.

3) Heredia, nuff said. I love it too. If you don't want to be right in the city, then the little village of Barva immediately to the north (and slightly higher upper the slopes of the volcano) is a cool muy tranquilo lugar but still very close to town.

4) Volcanos? If you've been making trips to CR then presumably and hopefully you've already visited one or most of these. You can drive up to the tops of Irazu and Poas or go on tours. Barva is a bit more problematic since you can only hike its slopes and only after making your way to the remote little town of Sacramento high up on its slopes. Even if real estate exploration weren't your main focus that by itself would take up all or nearly all your day. Again, see point #2. Sightseeing should be a side benefit on this excursion not a main focus.

5) Good point about the central squares, given the limited amount of time you'll have at each place this will probably be the only way you'll be able to get out of your car and get a quick feel for the community. It is not exactly the same as getting out and exploring the residential areas but it will give you one important view of the community.

6) Avoid traffic. Always a great idea. Usually much easier said than done. That said noticing the difference in the amount of traffic in different areas is yet another valuable consideration to include in your deliberations. Just bear in mind passing through Escazu during morning rush hour and then hitting rural Grecia during midafternoon is not the fairest comparison (even though Ezcasu traffic can really suck)

7 & 8 ) Great ideas about food, beverages and chica companions, I only wish I had thought of them first. OTOH, you might prefer to stop at some local soda for snacks and lunch. The Maiz restaurants between La Garita and Atenas would make especially interesting stops for lunch depending on your timing getting out there. On the way back, there is a great little licuado shop called Las Fresas about 1-2 blocks from the university in Heredia (cool frosty and refreshing beverages made from your choice of fruit -adding any rum you might bring along is of course entirely up to you)


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Everybody has their favorites. I can readily understand why you like Grecia, as do a lot of gringos. The big negative for me is its distance from SJ (same issue for Atenas). OTOH, once I start to live in CR, I might find that I really only care to go into SJ once or twice a week, in which the distance may not be so big a deal. A lot of other gringos certainly like the Grecia area. And a lot of gringos, that I know and respect greatly, love Escazu, which I KNOW is not for me. What is right for one person may not be the best for someone else. I tried to lay out the options as objectively as I could, but if I slighted anyone's favorite choice I do apologize.

Archie has the best read on this. You certainly can't do justive to every place in just a couple of days. OTOH, you can certainly cover a lot more ground in short amount of time with a private driver than you can by relying on the buses. I don't see anything at all wrong with OSG's approach. At least not initially. Like Archie said, get a good overview, eliminate the places you discover you have absolutely no interest in and then on a later trip do a more in depth exploration of the places remaining. That is when starting to rely on the bus, like RBC suggested, might make more sense. Some groups of places, like Grecia, Saarchi and Naranjo or Cartago and Paraiso, you MIGHT be able to bundle together in one day trip. However, for the most part, if you take the bus you'll be doing well to visit one place each day and do it right. But that's okay. With the number of trips most guys seem to take, if they knock off one new place each trip, they should be able to cover most of the places they're interested in before too long. Its not like their move to CR is that imminent in most cases.

Also bear in mind that it is probably not a great idea to buy a place before you move to CR in case, like Mexpat, you discover that CR is really not for you as a permenant place of residence. I always recommend people rent for at least the 1st 6 months if not even longer. During that time spend mornings taking Spanish lessons if you don't already speak and afternoons out exploring different areas inside and outside the city. You should have a really good idea of where you might want to live and even checked out quite a few candidate properties welll before your lease is up and your spanish perfected. This will also give you a chance to go back and check out those areas during different seasons. Finally, you may start out thinking you need to be close to SJ and spending every afternoon at the BM, only to discover after a few months that has grown very old and you only need to visit the city occasionally (like you do now). There really is no reason you have to know absolutely what one area you want to live in before you even get there and there are a lot of reasons to wait.

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Yet one more thought. How many times can one go to the top of Poas or on yet another canopy tour after so many trips to CR? Besides, a lot of those tours can really add up in cost. For a small fraction of the price of one of those organized tourist activities, one can hop on the public bus, get out of congested dirty little SJ, go to a more tranquil little village and get out and walk around and see something new and different from what most tourist get to see, maybe stop into a quaint little local soda for a cheap and filling casado lunch, and still make it back to the city for a late afternoon MP session. Some guys seem to have to spend all day every day making the rounds of the MP's, but I think this is a nearly as enjoyable activity that is certainly much cheaper and much more productive. Its good to split things up and you'll certainly still have plenty of time for the mongering.


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Wow, excellent post Prolijo! I still say when I do move to CR, I'd like to reside in either Aserri or Atenas. One thing you stated troubled me a little. Is a lot of development really occurring in Atenas now? If so, it's too bad. I suppose that will drive up the real estate prices there.

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Atenas is still a great place, but wow what a boom. We definitely missed the best buying opportunities there. Not as expensive as Escazu of course, but definitely not the bargain it was. Aserri you still seem to have to yourself, but the way things go in CR who knows by the time guys liek you and I are ready to make our move. I'm afraid I'm going to wind up REALLY far outside of San Jose in some place like San Juan del Sur :shock: (That's in southern Nicaragua for those of you who missed that joke)


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I 2nd and 3rd Grecia. On the way up I stopped at the entertainment plaza and had lunch. Lots of interesting looks from the Ticas.

Thing I love about Central Valley is so much, so different so close by.

If my masterplan comes thru I land a great job in Miami then can easily commute (i.e. new home within 5 min. walk to Metrorail that connects to Tri-rail connector to MIA or FLL) to my 2nd home in CR every 2 wks. or so until I can make the permanent switch.


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