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I have had a few members ask in PMs from time to time about how it happens that I have been able to get my wife on board with my hobby. I think my answer deserves a post of its own. I know there are a couple of other lucky souls here - Dave and El Ciego jump to mind - whose wives are good sports. I thought I'd share my story.




The whole deal with my wife evolved slowly out of a relationship that was already good. We just never questioned it; it never occurred to us that we had anything but a really good, fun union.

So after buying a business, having 2 K*ds, building a house we found ourselves pretty happy. I think this change in attitude in sex started there in her as her confidence was increasing and we both felt very much in control.

Backing up a little, I began to get sexually hungry between K*ds #1 and #2. We had a great sex life but I had been dinking around on WSG and a few other sites, exploring the p4p scene in the US. Sometimes, I’d drive around looking for hookers but didn’t have the guts to pick one up. Sometimes I hoped I’d get offers from the girls at strip clubs.

My wife and I would play cards, etc. at night and sometimes up the ante by demanding something from the loser – determined before the game started – and usually of a sexual nature. Once we decided to play a little differently and write down various tasks and then fold up the paper and assign a ranking of 1-10 depending on the magnitude of the task. My #1 was for my wife to get to where she felt comfortable with her body again and then go to a photographer and get some nude photos taken about a year later for my next birthday. She ended up losing……the next day she was explaining that she didn’t really want some strange guy looking at her pu*sy, etc. We talked about that for a while and I showed her a swinger’s website. She was a little curious and challenged me to find one couple within a reasonable distance, that we’d fool around with. I found one and showed her that night. She agreed that it could work based on the looks. We didn’t go any further than that (at that time). We did agree that the following year we’d go to a swinger’s club in Vegas and check it out.

Fast forward about 1 year. New house almost finished, new cars, K*ds are happy, business is kicking ass, life is good. So after K*D #2 we were both out of shape after a few years of careless eating. We embarked on a hard-core personal improvement mission and both got back in shape quickly. One night we were sitting at a local bar and we started trading fantasies. I should insert here that one game we used to play a lot when we were out and about was “Would you Phuck him/her?” She’d point out various girls to me and note certain features. Anyway so this night at the bar, we came up with a lot of good fantasies - mine mostly involved other people; some of hers did too.

The following morning I asked “Which of those fantasies we talked about do you think we should live out?” and She responded “I think we need to be careful with the ones that involve other people.”

Fast forward three months. Moving into the new house (6 years ago now) I had cable internet coming, which was very exciting for us and we both have been addicted to the internet ever since. I was setting up the new email accounts on the new IP and asked my wife what addresses she wanted. She gave me a generic name she intended to use for her work email to communicate with the staff. I then told her we can have five email addresses and did she want one for corresponding with people about wild sexual exploits?

Not long after that – and maybe even the same night. I sat down with her and said “We’re signing on to adultfriendfinder.” She is fascinated with sex and so she didn’t disagree with this. I paid the fee and was then confronted with the need to set up a profile….so we entered our information, came up with some desires/wants, and entered into the depths of the on-line sexual dungeon.

Shortly thereafter, she needed to find a stripper for a girls’ party. She wanted to meet the guy first, so they made arrangements to meet at a restaurant. We laughed about how far she could take this encounter and I never gave her limitations and she didn’t offer any. We agreed that we’d get a babysitter – she would go interview the stripper, and I could go to an Asian MP (there are a lot around here) and get a BJ but no more.

OK so that night came and we parted company. I went to a strip club first to get in the mood but then left to drive past the AMPs. I just could not pull the trigger. I had read on WSG about two adult stores/MPs in the area that offered HJs and nothing else.

I decided to give that a try. Mind you this is my first step in the mongering hobby. I walked into the place, and they charged a $1 cover. I paid my buck and walked in. I had been there before, and the door guy always asked if I wanted a “session.” Previously I always declined. Once you pass the door man and walk to the back of the store, you would see the girls behind the counter who were offering the services. So on this night, I walked in and saw two 3’s sitting behind the counter and one 5 who would have been a 7 if not for a chunky ass. I went with the 5. The customer had an option of topless ($35/hour) or nude ($60/hour). I opted for nude for one hour, thinking I’m the big spender. She carried towels and sheets with her, and we walked back to a little room – a lot like ZB. She explained that the money I just shelled out was for the house and if I wanted anything extra I needed to tip her. All this was going on while I was undressing and she was also explaining that I should lay on my face but could flip over when I wanted to. I had read up on WSG already and knew the girls all expected another $50 for a HJ and that no other service was available.

The trouble was, I didn’t start the service/price discussion until I was naked on my face on the table and she was dragging her nipples across my body. I asked her to hand me my pants, and she did. I pulled out two $20’s from my wallet and laid them in her tip try. She was not impressed. I added another $20. She basically told me that if I didn’t give her $100, I was wasting my time. So I gave in, like a damned fool on his first p4p mission – which I was. Long story short: She gave a great massage and HJ followed by advice – don’t pay the nude fee; the girls will get nude anyway, etc.

Back home that night, my wife and I compared notes. She went first. Met the guy, liked him, he was shorter than hoped for but had the necessary look. They made out in the parking lot. End of story. I unloaded my story and she was shocked – in a good way. She gave me the BJ leeway but never thought I would go nearly that far.

The next few months were a blur. We dove quickly into the swinger’s scene. We went to dances, parties, orgies…..lots of good material here but the detail is not necessary to the larger story. I phucked a lot of hot women in a short period of time. We can leave it at that.

The swinger’s scene grew tiresome quickly. We as a couple felt secure yet a lot of the people we met still had issues we didn’t want to deal with. We just wanted to have some kinky fun once in awhile. One of my favorite things ended up being talking to the other wives about how they got into the scene. In almost every case, the couple had a good relationship and the husband brought up swinging. The wife then thought “no phucking way” but was so curious about these dances and parties that she was willing to go to them and, getting comfortable and lots of attention from the guys, these gals decided to give it a try, and they were hooked.

While on this topic, and this is an important one, last summer I went to a nudist campground for a day for the first time. I went by myself; my wife isn’t one to want to do that sort of thing…walking around naked at a place she would not want to be at clothed…no offense to any nudists out there but that is her point of view……anyway, it was actually my second visit that I talked to the owner and he said that usually the men have to drag the women there the first time, then the women fall in love with the notion of nudism and they are the ones to want to come back.

So are you married guys taking notes….seems to be a common theme both in swinging and nudism. The guys get the ladies started, and it is the ladies who continue it with gusto. Get your gal secure enough to do it once……

So back to the topic at hand. We did the kinky underground sex thing for a while but then it grew somewhat tiresome – mostly because my wife decided that the best sex she got was with me. She still likes to flirt with other guys, etc. but by in large, she has not shown much interest outside our bedroom. She has given me freedom though, that most guys never get.

I told her the sexy details of my first trip to CR in Fed 2007 (I went with the intention of scouting business ideas). She was cool with that.

It was six months before I could get back to CR. In August 2007 I went for 10 days – weekend to weekend. She flew in for the second weekend. I never made reservations for that trip in a hotel. I just showed up at the Pres the first night and got a room, then went room to room for a few nights. My older brother then came down for a few days. He flew into Tambor with his then GF and daughter about the same time I got to SJ. He stayed there for a few days, but I needed his legal help with business matters in SJ so he got a flight to SJO and met me. We stayed at the HDR for a few nights, then he flew back to Tambor. I still had a couple of nights before my wife was to come down and join me for the second weekend. I asked around town, but hotel rooms were scant – so I ended up booking my stay through the end at the HDR. I told the desk staff that my wife would be joining me in a couple of days. This might be the first time they heard that as the truth.

I recall the morning I got up to get my wife from the airport. I walked to ZB and got there at opening time. I had a couple of drinks and then a great session with Erica before grabbing a cab and heading to the airport.

She is a squeamish traveler but I thought she’d do fine, as the process of getting out of the airport was not that bad. My stomach fell when I was standing outside and I saw plane after incoming plane. The poor girl ended up having to wait something like 2 hours to get through immigration.

But all was well, and I grabbed a cab, and we headed downtown. She went with me to NF, and we got a nice guided tour by a very cute little chica in pigtails. Then we went to ZB and a chica (who I later believe was Pamela) made eyes are her. My wife is about 5’4”, 110#, nice little body, blond hair and striking blue eyes. She stands out in CR.

That night at the HDR, we sat at a table together near the little bar. We had dinner and then drinks. I won’t make a long story out of this night but at one point my wife was buying drinks for 5 chicas sitting at the table. A waste of money – yes – and I was initially annoyed by this and was thinking to myself “What would the guys on CRT think of all of this wastefulness?” and then I decided that I didn’t care. I had my hottie wife sitting with five chicas at a bar in CR, drinking away and having fun. To anyone on this board who is married, you will know the value of that experience.

So I am lucky enough to have a wife who I want to Phuck every day, whose company I enjoy, and who would let me go to CR as often as I want and Phuck as many chicas as I want. What could be better?


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Good read. Just curious though, why P4P? I mean, with a hot wife you can be landing that tail for free. But I guess you can consider that the next step up from swinger / orgy parties. So did you guys wind up taking all 5 of those chicas that you bought the drinks for?


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great story...excellent read


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CLN20 wrote:
Good read. Just curious though, why P4P? I mean, with a hot wife you can be landing that tail for free. But I guess you can consider that the next step up from swinger / orgy parties. So did you guys wind up taking all 5 of those chicas that you bought the drinks for?



P4P because I am addicted to women and variety seems to be a necessary part of the fix.

We narrowed the 5 chicas down to one. My wife actually wanted to take three - the two hottest and the one ugly one out of mercy. I told her no phucking way. She said she felt bad taking only the two hot ones so we settled on one.

The story does not end with much fun. We got back up to the room. The chica had agreed to $100 for two hours. She got naked and in bed. My wife was partially stripped but was so drunk she was struggling. I fooled around with the chica just a little but the vibe was all wrong with a wife in the bed who was about to fall asleep. The chica and I discussed the matter, and I let her go after a little over an hour. I gave her the $100 still because she was a good sport.

I still have a drink coaster signed by all of the chicas that were at the table. It is a silly item but a fun reminder of a night that not 1 in 1,000 guys could ever experience.


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Good story and I'm sure many guys would be envious. I am now and always will be a hardliner about bringing sand to the beach. I still think CR is for boys to be boys and play with different toys. However, I am sure this works great for you. At the very least you don't have to lie about your adventures.

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Crookedcr wrote:

So I am lucky enough to have a wife who I want to Phuck every day, whose company I enjoy, and who would let me go to CR as often as I want and Phuck as many chicas as I want. What could be better?


Talk about reaching the top of the mountain.


It's a shame in a way so many women cannot let a man just have sex once in a while. I'm not talking about "cheating" where you share your deepest secrets with another woman at the expense of your significant other, I'm just talking about simple, basic sex with another woman in a clean p4p environment. Most women cannot stand the thought of that. I honestly believe most of us are capable of having sex in a p4p situation and it not ruin a decent committed relationship we are already in. Maybe I"m just unrealistic and selfish, I don't know.


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I once had a bisexual chica novia who would bring home the bacon. :twisted:

Life was sooo good. I have been in search of the "holy grail" ever since, and not found it. A woman who is not intimidated by others, is a rare find indeed.

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TicaFan wrote:

It's a shame in a way so many women cannot let a man just have sex once in a while. I'm not talking about "cheating" where you share your deepest secrets with another woman at the expense of your significant other, I'm just talking about simple, basic sex with another woman in a clean p4p environment. Most women cannot stand the thought of that. I honestly believe most of us are capable of having sex in a p4p situation and it not ruin a decent committed relationship we are already in. Maybe I"m just unrealistic and selfish, I don't know.


I think the Victorian era damaged/ruined our ability to have women in the USA who will accept their husband engaging in some sort of p4p activity.

I think it boils down to the quality of your relationship. If you indulge in p4p because your wife is a screamin' bitch and you can't stand to be around her - let alone Phuck her - and her you, then you don't have the ingredients for a successful marriage with p4p out on the open.

If, like with myself, your p4p is all a bonus - is not a substitute for "normal" female companionship, and your wife is secure, you might have the necessary foundation to make this work.

Following along the timeline of my presentation, you can see that winning my freedom took several years of gradual efforts to make sure my relationship was stable and satisfying through this process.


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TicaFan wrote:

Talk about reaching the top of the mountain.


It's a shame in a way so many women cannot let a man just have sex once in a while. I'm not talking about "cheating" where you share your deepest secrets with another woman at the expense of your significant other, I'm just talking about simple, basic sex with another woman in a clean p4p environment. Most women cannot stand the thought of that. I honestly believe most of us are capable of having sex in a p4p situation and it not ruin a decent committed relationship we are already in. Maybe I"m just unrealistic and selfish, I don't know.


my now deceased wife was the same way but do i blame her? no. with the aids epidemic i dont blame them.

crookedcr you are lucky for now. she may tire of you too..

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crookedcr you are lucky for now. she may tire of you too..


NFlorida - no offense intended but I surmise you obviously have not experienced a relationship on the level with mine.

We have decided that we love each other - mostly because we love to be together and have fun -sometimes doing things together - and sometimes apart - yet we support our individual needs and desires.

Last month she went on a long weekend skiing with some male business associates out-of-state. Did she Phuck? No. Could she have...yes....and if she did she would have come home and told me how much fun she had. I would have been happy for her.

We find that these opportunities are great for being able to demonstrate our commitment to each other. We make a great team.

We won't tire of each other. I know this. We have been married for nearly 10 years, and we have never had even a hint of regret.

I challenge anyone on this forum to tell me that he and his wife have no boundaries.....once you decide that you truely love someone to the extent that you can let her (him) roam free with the confidence your partner will return to you....then you'll understand.

What most people don't seem to get is that if you have a true high level of trust and commitment, then you begin to realize that flesh touching flesh is just that. I can shake hands with a potential client or my dickskin can touch the lips of a third-world whore. There isn't that much of a difference.

Afterwards I come home to the one I love. We play chess and watch the history channel.

NFlorida....the fact that you classify your deceased wife as you do tells me that you don't know what it is like to have the perfect relationship with a gringa.

Unless your wife would just about let you Phuck her hot sister raw, you probably don't know what life is like in a relationship such as mine.

I take your "She may tire of you" advice in stride, but I don't give it much creedance.

My life is not one most guys can understand -and most are not in a position to comment unless he has lived this life.


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once you decide that you truely love someone to the extent that you can let her (him) roam free with the confidence your partner will return to you....then you'll understand.


I think it is a little the opposite as far as in our case "her" letting you roam a little. Does she know you love her enough to return. But then again, the question arises with the "married" way of thinking that "if you loved me you wouldn't want to phuck another woman". So I guess it's kind of complicated.

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What most people don't seem to get is that if you have a true high level of trust and commitment, then you begin to realize that flesh touching flesh is just that.


Yup, and in this environment or these situations if some girl tries to lure you into a relationship it's probably pretty easy to say "seriously, no thanks" and same for your wife. When you're really happy and don't want a relationship with anyone else a sinister attempt to cultivate a relationship or get you to actually cheat on each other is very difficult for the would-be home wrecker to accomplish.


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Unless your wife would just about let you Phuck her hot sister raw, you probably don't know what life is like in a relationship such as mine.


That would be awesome if her sister was hot! :)

And here's another thing about it, in this kind of relationship you each know the other could find someone that's a "better" phuck. You know what, when you're comfortable with it, it's "fantastic honey" and not "so are you gonna leave me now for him honey :( " or something equally insecure. It's certainly not for a better "phuck" that any half decent guy is going to leave a great woman.


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thanks for the response crookedcr and no offense to you.

i was married for over 30 years. one rule i didnt break was bringing bugs to her. when she died i started mongering if its working for you then more power to ya but like you say.. its only been 10 years so far for you and your wife. cool as she is wait til either of you get aids or a deadly bug then asses the situation in its entirety..

its great its wonderful. i got that part. the aids part the risks part you did not mention

just my dos dollares my opinion. live and let live but tell me in 20 yrs if its worked. good luck

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thanks for the response crookedcr and no offense to you.

i was married for over 30 years. one rule i didnt break was bringing bugs to her. when she died i started mongering if its working for you then more power to ya but like you say.. its only been 10 years so far for you and your wife. cool as she is wait til either of you get aids or a deadly bug then asses the situation in its entirety..

its great its wonderful. i got that part. the aids part the risks part you did not mention

just my dos dollares my opinion. live and let live but tell me in 20 yrs if its worked. good luck



I understand you point about the risks here...and in fact I just got through typing a PM to another member on this same topic. After my first trip to CR I shared my experiences with my wife. Her response was, generally, "I want you to do what you want to do but understand that you are engaging in high-risk behavior."

During this talk we got a good laugh, as she just bought a new Ducati (motorcycle for those who don't know). We talked about the relative risk associated with riding a motorcycle (which is something I'm not into) vs. phucking prostitutes. We decided that we are both willing to accept the risks involved. I could get a VD, she could get her brains scrambled. In the end we both want to feel like we have been able to challenge ourselves to do the things that we want to do, risk notwithstanding.

My family has had more than its fair share of tradgey. My older brother was the victim of a head-on collision in 1995 that nearly killed him and put him out of law school for a year. Once he was better, he got back into a good semester at school and then was nearly killed in a boat/jet ski accident. Five years after that I sat at his wife's bedside when, at 35 years old and with a little daughter at home, took her last breath and let the breast cancer win. The next morning, the daughter explained to me that her mommy's cancer didn't win. "Mommy won. She died, and now the cancer is dead too." During all this my father had a severe stroke and it happened that he laid on the floor next to his bed until one of his K*ds caught up to him 3 days later. He clung to life (if you can describe it that way) for six more months unable to talk or do anything for himself.

After witnessing all that negativity along with all the positive in my life, I think I learned to let the little shit go. I want to live life to the fullest, and my wife wants the same for me, for her, and for us as a couple.

Maybe she will break her neck in a motorcycle accident; maybe I'll get the next new sexual transmitted disease for which there is no cure. Can we guarantee that we will stand by each other through these trials - I guess not. But as of now we committed to do so...

And think of this....if my wife were to be confined to a hospital bed and a little hottie chica came along and needed a good Phuck....well I guess I'd have to oblige her....and I would hope my wife would indulge in the same.

Your point about 20 years down the road is well taken, and I thank you for your input.


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once you decide that you truely love someone to the extent that you can let her (him) roam free with the confidence your partner will return to you....then you'll understand.


I think it is a little the opposite as far as in our case "her" letting you roam a little. Does she know you love her enough to return. But then again, the question arises with the "married" way of thinking that "if you loved me you wouldn't want to phuck another woman". So I guess it's kind of complicated.

I don't really think it is that complicated. I talk to women all the time who are married or not. They love to Phuck - period. But our society makes them keep those desires hidden. Behind every woman is a sex-crazed, teasing, exhibitionist, wanton slut yearning to breathe free. These ladies often check out other guys and fantasize. I don't think they are as different from men as most would have you think.
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What most people don't seem to get is that if you have a true high level of trust and commitment, then you begin to realize that flesh touching flesh is just that.


Yup, and in this environment or these situations if some girl tries to lure you into a relationship it's probably pretty easy to say "seriously, no thanks" and same for your wife. When you're really happy and don't want a relationship with anyone else a sinister attempt to cultivate a relationship or get you to actually cheat on each other is very difficult for the would-be home wrecker to accomplish.

Yeah - I have absolutely no desire for another relationship. This is how I know that neither my wife nor I would really stray. We are really happy being who we are, but we also recognize the thrill of conquering other territory. I am simply not open to a home-wrecker. I normally tire of other chicks after a few fucks anyway. I am not the least bit worried about losing track of my head.
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Unless your wife would just about let you Phuck her hot sister raw, you probably don't know what life is like in a relationship such as mine.


That would be awesome if her sister was hot! :)

One of the sisters has competed in various body-building and figure competitions for years. She is about 5'0", 100#, with the most natural-looking bolt-ons (yes I've seen them and they are NICE), a tight little body, cute face, and she's smart as a whip. The wife knows I want to Phuck her and sometimes teases me without mercy......I know where the line is, however, and will not cross it. I came close last summer. We were at the sister's house for the night. We had two card games going - one in the kitchen and one in the living room. The sister and I were partners, and we hung out exclusively in the living room together - away from the parents and the family elders, and we flirted and drank all night. Finally my wife decided to go to bed at the other sister's house next door. I walked her over there but then went right back to where I enjoyed the night so far. I found the sister-in-law standing outside in the back yard. She was there with her other sister and the other sister’s BF. I started to give the hot sister a neck and back massage, and she just melted. The other sister’s BF was a little jealous, I think, of the response I got and he started to rub his girl too, but she was clearly put off by me being so affectionate with her sister. I ended up going off for a walk by myself.

When I returned, everyone had gone inside. I knew all the K*ds were staying in the hot sister’s bedroom, so I invited myself in to…uh…check on them.. The wife was asleep or passed out or something but nowhere to be seen. When I entered the bedroom all of the K*ds and cousins were already asleep on the bed. The sister then emerged from her bathroom after just having taken a shower and was clad in bathrobe. We chatted for a minute before I encouraged her to lay on the bed, and I began to deliver a very focused back massage. I enjoyed feeling her tight body and nice muscle tone. She just moaned and told me that if the other sister found us, she’d freak. So I got up and locked the door. Not long after that I lost consciousness.

The next day on the way home, my wife casually asked me what the most memorable experience was that I had all weekend. I wondered if the sister confessed the backrub. I explained that I was really drunk the night before and didn’t know for sure if this happened or if it was a dream…she assured me that it happened. It turns out that the other sister tipped her off about the massage at the lake. I didn’t even tell my wife about that as I had completely forgotten it.

My wife asked me if I pushed my hard C*ck against her sister, and I explained to her that, while the sister is hot, there was nothing sexual about the event. She acknowledged that her sister is hot, that I’m a horny Phuck, and that she understands that I’d want to Phuck her but she is still off limits. Still a lot of alcohol and a little massage didn’t do any harm – although is was made clear to me that such an event should probably not happen again. I think it was more the alone in bed thing that she had a problem with.

And here's another thing about it, in this kind of relationship you each know the other could find someone that's a "better" phuck. You know what, when you're comfortable with it, it's "fantastic honey" and not "so are you gonna leave me now for him honey :( " or something equally insecure. It's certainly not for a better "phuck" that any half decent guy is going to leave a great woman.[/quote]

[i]My wife and I understand that there is good sex, and also different sex, and sometimes it is hard to compete with different sex – mainly because it is new and exciting.

Remember how much fun it was in high school when you were trying to steal that first kiss, or finger the girl under the prom dress? My wife and I recognize that there are powerful, fun, and satisfying emotions. We don’t feel that we need to give them up just because we got married.

We have a lot of fun, and that is about the best I can sum this up.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:49 pm 
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Mrs. Ciego and I have a somewhat different story that is not nearly as exciting as Crooked's.

In our case we've been married for nearly 20 years, and together as a couple for 26.

Life circumstances, including some health concerns have cooled our marriage. With my wife it's a matter of sacrifice. She doesn't request nor receive detailed trip reports from me; it's don't ask, don't tell. She knows why I go to C.R.

My situation is different too, because we have agreed on limits. I am free to touch, feel, get HJs and BJs. We've agreed that I won't Phuck anyone. Now, some of you might be saying...."what's the point if he can't Phuck 'em?"

The point is this: I get a 3-D replacement for the porn chicks I can no longer see. I can travel and enjoy other cultures. I can practice Spanish. I can dump load after load, as long as it stays out of vaginas and asses. When I return home, I don't have to sneak, hide, bullshit or lie. I come home to a lovely human being with whom I am and probably always will be comfortably, happily in love.

The main trick to all this, and I think that Dave, Skynnard, and Crooked would agree is honesty and communication. Many women will tolerate some sport play outside the marriage, but nobody enjoys being lied to. Marriages are based upon trust and respect... since my wife and I have both for each other, my yearly trips to C.R. are okay with her.

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