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Rainfall Shortages Threaten Costa Rica Power
by Jon Hamilton
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"Morning Edition, February 11, 2008 · Costa Rica ranks among the greenest countries on earth. It promotes eco-tourism, operates vast national parks, and is working to become the first carbon-neutral country.

Perhaps most impressive, the nation produces more than 80 percent of its electricity in hydroelectric plants, which emit no greenhouse gases.

But Costa Rica's efforts to minimize its own contributions to global warming have made it especially vulnerable to climate changes caused by other countries.

The reason is rain. Even a tiny shift in rainfall patterns could leave the country without enough water to meet its growing demand for electricity. And scientists say climate change is likely to have a significant effect on rainfall.

The lush, green mountains of central Costa Rica are where most of the rain falls and most of the country's electricity is generated.

Mario Montero, an environmental planner from the government corporation responsible for making and distributing electricity, is inspecting the reservoir that supplies Angostura, the nation's largest hydroelectric plant.

He points toward a distant peak. "One of our rain gauges up there records around 8,000 millimeters of rain a year," he says. That's about 26 feet, or nearly one inch a day, on average.

The rain collects in this reservoir before disappearing into a tunnel that leads to the Angostura power plant. Water under tremendous pressure spins massive turbines that turn the generators that supply 10 percent of the nation's electricity.

A Growing Demand for Electricity

Hydroelectric plants like this one have allowed Costa Rica to bring electricity to nearly every home, and to support a burgeoning economy built on tourism and high-tech industries.

Montero says government projections show a huge increase in power consumption over the next couple of decades.

"It's going to continue to grow at about 5 to 6 percent yearly, which means we have to double our installed capacity every 13 years," he says.

A lot of the power is being consumed by new businesses like TechShop. It's a precision machining operation in the capital city of San Jose that makes custom parts for the aerospace industry.

The main shop floor is big enough to hold several basketball courts. It's filled with lathes, drills, and grinding equipment accurate enough to make parts for the space shuttle.

"These machines are so sophisticated that in order to bring them to Costa Rica, we need an export license from the Japanese government and the Department of State," says Alan Guzowski, the general manager.

The machines, and the computers that control them, are completely dependent on a large and steady supply of electricity, he says. That wasn't a problem, though, until the end of the dry season in 2007.

'We Just Lost Power'

"We just lost power and on this occasion, it didn't come back on," Guzowski says. The government initially said it didn't know the cause of the outage, he says, "and then after that, they said it was that the levels of water in the main dams were very, very low."

The rainy season had come a couple of weeks late. That was all it took. Reservoirs dried up. The whole country pretty much shut down.

Intel stopped making computer chips at its plant down the road. San Jose went dark. Tourist resorts endured rolling blackouts.

The power company says it has taken steps since then to prevent a recurrence.

But Guzowski has his doubts, partly because he thinks climate change is already affecting Costa Rica.

"The weather is not what it used to be," he says.

Climate experts agree. They say it's one thing to know climate change is coming, and quite another to know precisely how things will change.

Max Campos is a meteorologist who helps Central American countries assess their water resources. He says Costa Rica's dependence on rain, rather than petroleum or coal, means people here will be among the first to feel the effects of climate change.

"This is something that people must understand," he says. "Any small deviation from what we consider normal, it is going to be very, very difficult to adjust."

Campos says the power outage should serve as a warning "that we must learn to live in a wider range, dominated by the extremes."

Adapting to Change

Montero says that will be tough for the electricity business. Sometimes it will have to cope with less rain, which means less water to make power. Other times there will be so much rain that the reservoirs overflow.

To adapt to these changes, the country would need bigger reservoirs and more hydroelectric plants like the one at Angostura.

But building future dams and power plants will be increasingly difficult. Costa Rica has already put facilities in most of the easy places.

Now it's having to consider projects in national parks, or on lands controlled by indigenous people — areas that have been off-limits so far.

Montero says these efforts should keep the power flowing for a while, even if the climate changes a bit.

"According to our projections, it should last for the next 20 years," he says. "After that, we would have to figure out some major source to serve as a backbone for our system."

That could include more power from volcanic heat, which already provides some electricity, and from the winds that blow through some inland valleys.

But if climate change greatly decreases hydroelectric power, Costa Rica will have little choice but to generate electricity using the same fossil fuels that are causing global warming."

Later I'll try to post their story from today on Costa Rica's efforts to become the world's first carbon neutral country.


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Phuck, not again :cry:

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Phuck, not again :cry:

Last year really sucked. Maybe I'll go somewhere else for April/May.


The article was about the long term, not the short term, possibilty of Costa Rica having insufficient amounts of water to power the hydroelectric generators that will be necessary to meet the power demand at that time.

Without getting into a lengthy discussion, on a mongering board, this situation has been discussed in the local press previously so it should not be a complete surprise to most.

In the more immediate term the record rainfall of last summer has led ICE to announce that the power shortage of 2007 will not be repeated in 2008. Hopefully they are correct.

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I realized this was not a mongering story. So what!?!? After all. half the website name IS Costa Rica and a LOT of what we discuss on this board is not strictly about Ticas. We have whole sections on Restaurants, Non-Gulch Activities, Gambling, Retiring & Investing, etc. Even an around the world section that covers mongering but has nothing at all to do with CR. And there are lots of posts that have absolutely nothing at all to do with EITHER mongering OR CR that slip in everywhere else. At least this is about CR and is probably as interesting to some others as it was to me, so why not post it?

I'm also sure that you guys who live in CR were already painfully aware of the power shortages this past fall. However there are many guys on this board who DON'T live in CR, who weren't down there for the power outages or even there while it was being discussed locally. This might surprise you but not all of us get to read the local press or at least not everyday. There are also many guys on THIS board who are thinking (or dreaming) about relocating to CR who may not heard about this or at least all the details that were in the full story and who might thus find it very interesting. And even those, like yourself, who are ho-hum about this must find it at least partially interesting that this issue is starting to get coverage even in the US media. So EXCUUUSSSE ME. I just figured some others of you might find the story interesting.

If that one didn't float your boat, maybe this next one will:
http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=19141333&m=19141278

Costa Rica Aims to Be a Carbon-Neutral Nation
by John Burnett

Morning Edition, February 18, 2008 · One of the smallest countries in the world has a big goal. Costa Rica says it wants to be the first developing country to become carbon neutral — that is, to have zero output of carbon dioxide by 2021. But huge challenges lie ahead.


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I realized this was not a mongering story. So what!?!?



Calm down Pro. :roll: Forget to take your midol today :shock:

I pointed out this was not a mongering story so I was not going to go into a lengthy dissertation about the plans ICE has on the drawing board to ensure that the country has adequate power to meet it's need in the foreseeable future. In fact opponents of the plans point out that ICE will be generating more power than it can possibly need and accuse of them of having a plan to export the excess to other Central American counties.

The very headline of the article you quoted was, as many news headlines are, sensationalism and doom and gloom prophecy that the article failed to back up. All I pointed out was that the article was about the long term situation not the short term. You want to spread fear and gloom that guys who visit in 2008 and 2009 are in serious danger of dying of thirst go right ahead.

Now go relax, breath in and out slowly, put a cold cloth on your forehead and all will be well in your world tomorrow. Now at this time next month...who can tell.

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Forget the supply side of this equation for a moment.

More hotels. More expats who insist on living a U.S.-level lifestyle. More tourism.

Demand is on the rapid rise. So, what's to be done?

Ah, I can see it now. How romantic! The del Rey illuminated by candlelight. :lol: Well, at least some of the 3's and 4's will get more business. :P :D

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I find it extremely ironic that you of all people should suggest I take a Midol when you're the one who always seems to have a bug up his ass all the time about things other people post, everything from minor spelling mistakes right up the ladder. I just never said anything about it before. Forget even about what you wrote here, IMHO, you really need to take a hard look at the tone that runs through a lot of what you post in response to others.

BTW, the only sensationalism on this page is your comment saying that I "want to spread fear and gloom that guys who visit in 2008 and 2009 are in serious danger of dying of thirst" and that only backs up my charges in the paragraph above. First of all, the article wasn't even about the availability of sufficient drinking water. Secondly, the article wasn't even about what was going to happen over the next couple of year. Thirdly, my post made no evaluation on the article one way or the other but merely was passing on what, if you actually read the article, was pretty fair and balanced. But, even if it wasn't, certainly each reader can make their own evaluation.

As for the headline, it didn't specify whether the shortages were over the short term or were long term in nature, but they weren't implying one way or the other either. Headlines by their very nature have to be short and concise (unlike a prolijo article). They should be indicative about what is contained in the article but it is naturally assumed that the reader has to read the full article to find out. The fact that fuzebox had a foolish kneejerk reaction to what I posted, only shows that he failed to read the article. You seemed to have at least read the article but you also preferred to draw your own inference about the author's intent. The article did not fail to back up the headline because the headline never meant to suggest that CR was going to run out of power tomorrow. In fact, the article itself concluded by saying that there was enough hydro potential to last another 20 years and pointed to geothermal and wind power as possible successors to take the country beyond that. The article never said CR would fail to meet its future energy needs only that there would be many challenges down the road due to climate change and growing demand (which there will be). Is that gloom and doom or is that realism?

Finally, apparently, in your follow-up spin to your initial post, you also failed to notice the follow-up article that I posted which is FAR from gloom and doom but actually quite positive about CR and what it is trying to do on this front. I'd suggest to you that you read more carefullyin the future before you attack.

Any way, I wasn't even responding back to you on any of that but rather on what seemed to me you're questioning of the propriety of even posting the article for others to read.


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Prolijo wrote:
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I find it extremely ironic that you of all people should suggest I take a Midol when you're the one who always seems to have a bug up his ass all the time about things other people post, everything from minor spelling mistakes right up the ladder. I just never said anything about it before. Forget even about what you wrote here, IMHO, you really need to take a hard look at the tone that runs through a lot of what you post in response to others.


Very good Pro. Ignore the subject and the debate and attack the debater. However congratulations are in order you did manage to keep it to less than 5000 words :shock:

Oh just as an aside please show where I have ever taken anyone to task about their spelling, grammar, punctuation, syntax, etc. Not my thing amigo. :lol:

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I just listened to the installment on NPR Evening News on MonteVerde, very interesting how the climate is changing. I am a big fan of NPR btw, I listen daily and support it.

Sad, the posts here concerning CR that get all kind of feedback are about: Grrls wanting tips for phucking fat old asses; taking money back that wasn’t well spent; the music is too loud etc. etc. I realize that this is a monger board and I pay as much attention to CRT as I do to National Public Radio – but dudes…

Even some of the elder among us might live long enough to say goodbye to the Last Polar Bear or the last Wild Pacific Salmon. Shit I bet: that as a result of global warming the transvestites started proliferating, THEN you’d get some serious dialogue going…

Broaden your minds, men.

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Thanks, Novice. That goes to show that such posts are of interest to at least some of us. Those with bugs up their asses or who otherwise aren't interested in such things don't have to read it. After all the thread title certainly wasn't suggesting another post on some aspect of mongering.

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That was just my initial response to your post. You missed my follow-up which did debate the merits of your argument. Anyway, wasn't it you that said you didn't want to get into a "lengthy discussion" on this topic? As for my initial response, it was right on target. I have no problem at all about your different evaluation of the article itself. In fact, I welcome that discussion and was hoping that others would post their various points of view. What I had a problem with had nothing at all to do with that but rather your suggestion that my post was somehow off topic on a "mongering" board.

As for your persistent negativity, I won't get into digging up the hundreds of examples. Any one that reads your posts can see it for themselves. BTW, didn't someone else just recently call you the "self appointed CostaRicaTicas.Com Information COP" or am I just making this all up myself? Of course, in fairness, many of the objects of your scorn are people who really deserve it (like our pal GreenGo up above with his completely inane posts), but why are you always the one focusing on such things? I don't want to get any further into a pissing match with you. I'm sure you don't care, but I think a lot of the time you can act like a real dickhead. As for what you think of me, I could really care less. End of discussion for me. You can post whatever you want.


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Prolijo wrote:
I'm sure you don't care, but I think a lot of the time you can act like a real dickhead. As for what you think of me, I could really care less. End of discussion for me. You can post whatever you want.


Finally we have reached a satisfactory conclusion :shock:

We both think the other acts like a real dickhead :lol:

We both don't give a dam what the other thinks of us :lol:

We both could care less :lol:

We both want to end the discussion :lol:

We both can post whatever we want :lol:

See how easy that was :roll:

only difference between us is I can do it in about 1/10 the verbiage you need. :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

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I have never met either one of you but both have given me valuable advice in the past via PM. Have you guys ever met each other? I may be wrong but if you haven't, you may actually get along if you sat down and had a real conversation face to face... :?


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As coincidence would have it there was an article this morning concerning the new reservoir and dam that ICE is going to build to allow a new hydro electric plant to be built. Yes demand for electricity is increasing substantially as the country grows and there is and will be a need for more energy. ICE is well aware of that is taking the steps necessary to meet that demand. The situation is very analogous to the situation faced by power companies in fast growing regions of the United States. They see the growth patterns and make the investment necessary in the infrastructure to meet that demand.

From AM Costa Rica this morning.

"Little action toward archaeological work at El Diquís
By José Pablo Ramírez Vindas
and the A.M. Costa Rica staff

A rich archaeological area of southern Costa Rica will be under water in a few years, and nothing concrete has been done about surveying the prehistoric sites or saving them.

The project is now called El Diquís, and the Instituto Costarricense de Electricidad hopes to begin construction on a dam and related facilities by 2009. Feb. 6 President Óscar Arias Sánchez signed a decree saying that the $1.8 billion project was in the national interest, a technical term meaning that nothing will stand in the way.

Francisco Corrales, director of the Museo Nacional and an archaeologist by training, said that the area to be flooded by the Los Diquís project contains much of the land that was in the original Boruca project. A survey connected with that project found walls, structures and cemeteries, said Corrales. He suspects that similar sites would be found on the new lands included in the current project. The national museum's role would be to supervise the work of private archaeologists if they are eventually hired to survey the land.

The area also is rich in petroglyphs.

The archaeologists have little time. A similar project, the McPhee Dam and Reservoir in southwestern Colorado, generated the largest archaeological project in U.S. history. The work took six years from 1978 to 1984, and scientists mapped 1,600 prehistoric sites. The result was the Anasazi Heritage Center Museum, a major tourist attraction constructed to house the 1 million archaeological pieces recovered in the work.

The McPhee reservoir covers 4,470 surface acres. The Instituto Costarricense de Electricidad said that the reservoir created by the El Diquís project would be larger.

The Consejo Nacional Indígena, an Indian development organization, reported that there are many artifacts in the area that are the heritage of the various cultures that lived and now live in the area. Odir Blanco said that the Asociatión de Desarrollo de Térraba is in discussions with the Instituto de Electricidad on ways to save much of the archaeological artifacts and sites. In addition to the Térraba, the Boruca, Bribri, Cabécar, Térraba and Guaymí live in the area.
Blanco said that some Indians in the area approve of the project while others do not. But he pointed out that with the presidential decree there is not much that could interfere with the progress of the work.

The irony is that much of the 630 megawatts generated by the completed project will go north to the United States. The U.S. Trade Development Agency has invested $500,000 in initial studies.

The money was for technical, social, environmental, financial and inter-institutional studies to complement those feasibility studies already conducted for the project, the agency said. No mention was made of archaeological work in a summary.

After meeting Costa Rica’s national electricity demands, the government company known as ICE will contribute excess power generation to the regional electricity market via the Central American Electric Interconnection System transmission line, which is currently under construction, said the agency, which added that its financing was part of the Central American Free Trade Agreement.

Elbert Durán, spokesperson for the Instituto Costarricense de Electricidad, said Tuesday that the electrical and telecommunications monopoly was
working toward an eventual agreement with independent professionals, such as archaeologists and sociologists.

Although the project has been described as being on the Río Grande de Térraba, the dam would be well up the river from the coast. The reservoir would be entirely within the canton of Buenos Aires. From a map release by the institute, the bulk of the flooding would seem to extend northwest from the communities of Térraba, Florida and Brujo along the channel of the Río General. Rey Curré, a population center, would have been whiped out by the previous Boruca project, but now it appears to have been spared.

The proposed dam would be very close to the point where the Interamerican highway crosses the General. The proposed lake also would seem to be outside the existing Indian reserves, the Reserva Boruca and the Reserva Curré.

The Río Térraba is the source of the stone that ancient residents turned into the enigmatic stone spheres that are unique to southwestern Costa Rica."

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