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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:30 am 
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This is a simple case where I know what it cost to maintain a lifestyle that approximates middle class in Costa Rica and I know what the wages are and for the life of me, I can not get them to add up.

To qualify myself, I do not live in Escazu or Santa Ana. To the contrary I live in a 30-year-old regular Tico house in a regular Tico community on the very fringe of the central valley about 50 minutes from down town San Jose. This is an inexpensive place to live. My local restaurant chares $2 for a chicken fajita dinner and $1 for an Imperial. Unlike most of the rest of you, I know first hand what a Tico lifestyle costs.

Realistically to maintain something approximating a middleclass Tico household for 3 moms and 5 K*ds, rent and utilities is going to be $500 too $900. You figure $150 per adult living expenses and $100 per Ch*ld. This is just getting by.



I get your point, although you seem to have a relatively emotional attachment to the subject matter.


Emotional? Naw, its just a BB.

As to D2864s point, I really don't know how anyone does it. Even those that have family support and free housing. For the life of me, I am trying to figure it out. It just doesn't add up no matter how you look at the numbers. I think those that have family wealth from landholdings are okay. Families without really struggle.

I would say that ugly ones are suck living in poverty. Maybe they get ugly Ticos to bang them for a few bucks. Bang Bang was telling me about this one tico bar that has nothing but fat ugly old ticas. I guess he took a group of CRTers in there. I was told it was pretty disgusting. I took a pass on seeing it myself.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:18 pm 
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Yep KC, just do not understand why you did not want to session at that bar :!: :roll: :? :lol: :twisted: Actually there is one 225 lb, bleached blonde with about 10 lbs of make up and atleast 50-55 years old. I remember seeing her setting in that bar the first time I stuck my head in there about 10 years ago. Could not believe it then and sure can't now. Hell she looked so bad then, it nearly made me sick just thinking about any guy being able to pluck her; now it really does :shock: :? :o :o Come to think about it, I can not remember ever looking in there that she was not setting in the same chair; HELL MAYBE SHE IS DEAD, AND NO ONE HAS NOTICED :roll: :twisted: :P :lol:

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No offense taken. I live in a small viillage in Heredia, Costa Rica


You live in Heredia but don't think a woman can survive on $300/mo? By your earlier posts I assumed you lived in the USA...

Come on, I live in Heredia too and know several families doing just fine on an income of $300/mo... You should know they just live simple lives and don't waste money. Shrug.

As for the housing costs listed in this thread, try checking La Nacion classifieds instead of the Tico times :) I've rented a 3 bdr apartment in downtown Heredia for $230 and a decent 4 bdr house in the same area for $300. Very easy for roommates outside of SJ, and it just gets cheaper the farther you go out.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:14 pm 
So tell me then, if it costs $230 a month for an apartment, then how can a family live on $300 a month? I am not being sarcastic, I honestly don't know how that would work. And I would submit that $230 a month apartment is not anything close to a CR middle class lifestyle. Those are poverty apartments and of course that $230 does not include utilities.

I think a single mom could possibly make it on $300 a month if she had free housing on a family owned property. Otherwise how is it possible? Show me a budget.

You are right, it does get cheaper the further out you go. I live in a 3 bedroom house, I pay $480 plus about 30 per month for utilities. I am about 50 minutes out of the city. Two single moms with 3 K*ds would be tight fit here, but do able here. 3 single moms with 8 K*ds, this house would not really be adequate. The $500 per month would be more than most poorly educated women would earn in a month.

I do know of women that come in from WAY out, places like Cartago. I really don't know what the cost of living is out there, but I do know that it is a really long way to commute for a $200 a month job.


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KC I agree it looks like they could not live on $300 a month, but I do not believe you have seen first hand (maybe I am wrong) how many of these chicas and other people live.

4 K*ds; both boys and girls, sleeping on one 3 inch thick and old, foam mattress on the floor. wearing hand me down cloths or clothes obtained from the church, eating nothing but rice and beans at least 6 days a week, and, worst of all, LEARNING TO STEAL AT A VERY YOUNG AGE, just to have the necessities.

I have spent a lot of time in 15 de Septembre de Hatillo where a lot of these chicas live. Almost every chica 14 to 50 has, or is working as a puta; I have probably been it atleast 35-40 different houses in a 8/9 square block area, and almost every home is just as I described. These women are very devoted to there K*ds (in most cases) and do not like what they do to make money, but see no other choise. My ex novia is a DR/KL chica, and her house is not the exception, but the norm. She, 4 K*ds, her 1/2 brother, another women and her 2 K*ds, all living in a 3 bedroom, 1 bath, and livingroom/kitchen/ diningroom combination place that most americans would not even want to walk into. They pay about $175 a month for rent and utilities.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:04 pm 
Okay, fair enough. But this brings the discussion back to what are the woman’s options.

If you go all the way back in this thread, the question is what are the viable options for these women?

From everything that we have discussed in this thread, it comes down to a choice of either A) raising your Ch*ldren in poverty or B) selling their ass to maintain something close to a CR middle class lifestyle.

My only point is that there are noble characteristics of a woman that is willing to sell her ass to provide a better life for their Ch*ldren and that they do not have any other real options besides living in squalor. Some would say that these women are entirely self-centered, materialist and selfish. My point is that for a lot of them, it is a huge sacrifice that they are making for their Ch*ldren.


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KC, I agree with you 100% in that they see no other choise. And even thou I am one of the most outspoken guys when it comes to NOT PAYING CIEN, I wish most of these chicas made as much money as most of our membership and others think they make; it simply is NOT THE CASE!!

I know many, many of these chicas and I do not mean as a costomer, but as friends, and I can tell you that the vast majority (except for a small handfull of the hottest and the most outgoing) of these chicas average about 1 negocio ever 3 days. AND THEY HAVE NO CONCEPT OF HOW TO SAVE OR MANAGE THEIR MONEY when they do have a little.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:48 pm 
The ones that I have the most respect and admiration for are the ones that sell their ass at night then go to school during the day so that they can have a better future for their Ch*ldren. It really takes a lot of dedication for those that are doing this.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:53 pm 
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I know many, many of these chicas and I do not mean as a costomer, but as friends, and I can tell you that the vast majority (except for a small handfull of the hottest and the most outgoing) of these chicas average about 1 negocio ever 3 days. AND THEY HAVE NO CONCEPT OF HOW TO SAVE OR MANAGE THEIR MONEY when they do have a little.


Funny, I remember a day not so long ago when some outspoken soul (not you BB) insinuated that Chicas were saving so to provide a better education for their Ch*ldren. Basically implying that the cash from her hooking career was going to last until her Ch*ldren graduated.

I'm not sure about the 1 every 3 day thing, but I agree that they spend it as fast as they get it.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:38 pm 
Actually there are some that are saving.

Vanessa at ZB for one. She put away a lot of cash. I saw her driving around in a brand new SUV the other day. I know many that banked cash.

I know many that have purchased real estate.

These are certainly the minority, but there is a significant group of them.

Just as a there is a group of them that have big time Cocaine problems.

Others are lazy and just work a bear minimum to get buy because the hate doing it.

There are many that the money burns a whole in their pocket and they throw it away on stupid things as fast as they can get it.

I don't think you can over generalize. Many are good women, many are just trash. The game it figure out which are which. Good luck.

I am happy with my friend. She has not given me one second of grief. She has not asked me for anything (except a stupid stuff doll that I declined to pay for). I paid her only once. She treats as well as I could expect from a woman.


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If you go all the way back in this thread, the question is what are the viable options for these women?

From everything that we have discussed in this thread, it comes down to a choice of either A) raising your Ch*ldren in poverty or B) selling their ass to maintain something close to a CR middle class lifestyle.


Hate to call BS on your post a second time, but your emotional attachment to the subject matter and your need to keep herding the conversation back to the same tired argument is very telling. I have heard the same BS from so many mongers who seem to have the need to have some self effacing explanation as to why these seemingly nice girls need to sell their bodies. Same old song and dance.

To address once again your question as to what are the options for these women,; I laid out several viable options for them, that you completely disregarded as if I was writing in Latin. So, the truth gets written and you ignore it because it doesn’t tie into your line of reasoning.

A lot of the girls that work in the Del Ray have behavioral problems that would severally limit their ability to thrive in an office environment such as working as a secretary in a law office or some similar position.

IMHO, there are many other very viable options than being a hooker and selling your ass in the Del Ray to get you to the Costa Rican Middle Class, Enough already. :roll: :roll: :roll:


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If you go all the way back in this thread, the question is what are the viable options for these women?

From everything that we have discussed in this thread, it comes down to a choice of either A) raising your Ch*ldren in poverty or B) selling their ass to maintain something close to a CR middle class lifestyle.


Hate to call BS on your post a second time, but your emotional attachment to the subject matter and your need to keep herding the conversation back to the same tired argument is very telling. I have heard the same BS from so many mongers who seem to have the need to have some self effacing explanation as to why these seemingly nice girls need to sell their bodies. Same old song and dance.

To address once again your question as to what are the options for these women,; I laid out several viable options for them, that you completely disregarded as if I was writing in Latin. So, the truth gets written and you ignore it because it doesn’t tie into your line of reasoning.

A lot of the girls that work in the Del Ray have behavioral problems that would severally limit their ability to thrive in an office environment such as working as a secretary in a law office or some similar position.

IMHO, there are many other very viable options than being a hooker and selling your ass in the Del Ray to get you to the Costa Rican Middle Class, Enough already. :roll: :roll: :roll:


Yeap, agree again.

I still have no answer as to what the uglies are doing. I guess some mongers want to pretend the uglies don't exist and that many uglies are in the same situation as the pretties. The uglies are making it so the pretties can do the same.

Actually, the pretties have a bigger advantage. They are more likely to be hired in a normal job than an ugly. CR is still dominated by men in business so they would love for a nice ass and face to be walking about the business.

The numbers don't support the notion that they have to be hookers either. If hooking were their only option, the HDR would have a line around the building 5 times.... around the block, I mean.


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I guess this was from the Tico Times Daily on the net. Seemed to fit in here, what does it tell ya about how they think?


Scantily Clad Woman Distributing Flyers Cause Traffic Congestion in La Uruca
With short skirts, tight shorts, exposed cleavages and with suggestive poses, a group of young women distributing promotional material are causing traffic problems at the radial La Uruca.

The women are hired to distribute flyers to motorists stopped at the traffic lights, who are easily distracted by the suggestive movements.

Using pretty, scantily clad women to distribute flyers, sell lottery tickets and merchandise by the roadside is nothing new.

The La Uruca location is the same location where some years back young women would expose their breasts to motorists for ¢1.000 colones. In that situation authorities were able to stop the young women from exposing themselves.

The girls place themselves in mid traffic, attracting the attention of drivers who slow down to get a closer look, causing traffic backlogs at the intersection that is already congested with the amount of daily traffic.

The girls are out early in the morning and are still in action by noon.

The viceministra de Transportes, Viviana Martín, says there is nothing they can do to stop the practice as there is no law that can obligate their withdrawl or even be fine notwithstanding that the young women expose themselves to being hit by a vehicle or can cause a traffic accident.

Although officially she cannot do anything, Martín said that she will co-ordinate efforts with other authorities to dialogue with the women and persuade them to not expose themselves to the danger.

Martín added that in the event that a driver were to hit one of the women, the driver could possibly not be faulted or held responsible as it would be the fault of the pedestrian crossing the highway.

In one of the cases the young woman is 17 years of age and Martín is asking the Patronato Nacional de la Infancia (PANI) - Ch*ld welfare agency - to intervene in that case. Martín assured that the Fuerza Pública (police) and the Policía Municipal de San José will be asked to intervene.

Although the La Uruca radial is the focus of attention of the authorities, other locations around San José have also been a target by marketers who use sexy women to get the attention of drivers to promote their merchandise or service.

The defunct lottery 21 de la suerte was one promoter who used loud music and scantily clad women at major intersections all over San José to sell lottery tickets. Along Avenida Central and the other pedestrian walkways in the downtown core, scantily clad women walk up and down the Avenidas distributing flyers, as well as retailers who post sexy female employees at the front door to attract customers.

Elsa Garabito, who identified herself in charge of Multiservicios La Macha, the company that hired the women at the La Uruca location, says the form is very effective and defended that the traffic jams in the area are the fault of her girls.

The woman said that her own daughter works distributing flyers and of the und***ge girl, Garabito said that the young girl has the permission of the parents to be there.

"They do not always stand in the middle of the road, what I tell them is to stand at the side of the road", said Garabito.


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Hate to call BS on your post a second time, but your emotional attachment to the subject matter and your need to keep herding the conversation back to the same tired argument is very telling. I have heard the same BS from so many mongers who seem to have the need to have some self effacing explanation as to why these seemingly nice girls need to sell their bodies. Same old song and dance.


Brother, you can call BS as much and as often as you like.

As far as my emotional investment in this BB, anyone that knows me knows that I have ZERO emotional investment in the ideas discussed on this board. My emotional investment in this BB is on par with and episode of Sex in the City. It would really be impossible for me to care less what you or anyone thinks or expresses on this board. It is just a BB for heaven sakes. This is a place to exchange ideas, nothing more. I really can not imagine why anyone would care what anyone else thinks here. If some one find value in my ideas fine, if you don't, I don't know you, I don't care.

Like I said before, it is all about the math for me. I simply do not see how a single mom, that is not bi-lingual, that does not have a college education, and does not have computer skills can raise their Ch*ldren above a poverty level existence.


My mind is totally open. If you have presented viable options that I miss, my apologies.

Please enlighten me. Show me the MATH!!!! I am waiting and I am looking forward to it. Thanks!!!!


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My only point is that there are noble characteristics of a woman that is willing to sell her ass to provide a better life for their Ch*ldren and that they do not have any other real options besides living in squalor. Some would say that these women are entirely self-centered, materialist and selfish. My point is that for a lot of them, it is a huge sacrifice that they are making for their Ch*ldren.
I have to agree with this. Many selling themselves are not classless women that I have met but are flat up against it. Are there other alternatives sure but not real good ones. I don't think it is fair for us to judge them from our shoes & all our options we all have. We are not in their shoes! :wink:

The example Timbones is using are men that hustle. They do have more options than the women do there. The men can dump the women & K*ds to go out & hustle much easier then a woman that loves her Ch*ld. I have seen some women that are divorced from good Ticos that do help them with supporting the little ones which obviously helps a lot. The Ticas I have seen do ok for themselves where also hustlers & had their own business. Believe me they work their ass off at it to just keep up a decent life style. Many Ticos simply have to live together with extended family to exist & they are even married to a decent Tico. They have to pool their money to do this.

If a Tica marries a Tico that doesn't help if they split up (more the norm there IMHO) & they are not business minded they are in deep trouble to say the least. Put yourself in these ticas positions where they have a Ch*ld & NO help at all & no money to start a business. It would be very, very difficult. I do have respect for Ticas that make tough choices & survive with it all. Imagine having to deal with what we see down there. The ugly ones better have some brains or it is a long life!

Sad to say but this is exactly why P4P is worth it for me because if you can truly communicate with them it is easy to cull out the different types of cases & find very normal types to have a great time with. They are smart enough & good looking enough to be somewhat selective in the men they rather be with. This gives a man a lot of room to work some nice deals out with.

There are always exceptions to the norm but if a Tica works for someone else she just isn't going to ever have much. They have to have their own business & this is very hard for them to do. This is what brings what I consider some real quality players out to the gulch. If it was easy for them to do other wise we would never see many of these out & about.

One that knows this culture well should realize that women are basically left out of many circles. Many have been brought up to please their man & not raised to be independent like Gringas. Like anything everything has its good & bad points. I like the way these women try to keep their man happy above all else otherwise they would be just like so many Gringas but it is hard to watch men abuse their privileges with this. I know I am guilty of a little of this myself but what I feel is not in an ugly way.

I still don't see the need to date a Puta since one doesn't have to look far to find something better. Why put yourself thru this? Making some cool deals without any responsibility I can totally understand.

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