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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:03 am 
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This drives me nuts. :? Everywhere you go they tell you not to wear shorts. So I constantly try to steer towards long pants.

And I'm hot and miserable. And I look around and everyone else is wearing shorts!

I get sick of being lectured to about how to blend in. I'm significantly larger than any of them (Asians or Ticos). I'm really light skinned. I'm wearing a damned camera around my neck. I'm holding a map. And I could care less what any of them think.

A few years ago I was going to one of my closest friend's wedding. She was living in Europe and marrying one. She's awesome, but she's totally gone native (Eurosnob) and knows how blunt and "American" I can be (usually in equal and opposite reaction to the perceived European superiority of my surroundings). She was trying to engage in "scene control" and warned me that "no one here wears shorts" in her "cough, cough, nudge nudge, hey listen to me you obnoxious bastard" voice.

So while packing, I took all the shorts out of my luggage. I had packed almost exclusively shorts, but then backed down and decided it was her wedding, and I'd let her have her way. So I took them all out and only packed slacks and some jeans. I get there, and we're all hanging out and going around town and taking boat trips etc etc etc and it's phucking HOT. I'm miserable. And through the whole thing she, and half of her friends, are wearing SHORTS. I chastise her, "You Bucking Fitch!" And she comes back with "Well, It's HOT out!".

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So my advice: F it and wear what you want. Just don't be a total slob (like Australians and English Yobs....sorry Mates). You'll find yourself sitting there and thinking "I'm hanging out with these people, and I was worried about how I'm dressing?" :wink: IMNSHO blending in is a little over-rated. Of course, that may be because I don't have that option. :)


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And you look sexy in your cargo shorts RBC :D Not sexy in a Spanky-way (thank God) but sexy in a seasoned adventurer-traveler way. I look like goofy-gringo so don't wear them anymore unless at la playa.


I like to thank RBC for coming out as a short supporter. I know I can't blend down there because of the tattoos on my legs. I know I just turned you off Paco because I'm tatted up. I even got me a tramp stamp that says Mucho Gusto :oops: .

I wore jeans a lot in November because it was on the chilly side. When it's the high season, screw it, I'm in shorts.

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...I even got me a tramp stamp that says Mucho Gusto :oops: .

...and it's the PERFECT target!!! :oops:

Personally, I dress for comfort. If it's hot and sunny in the gulch, I wear shorts. If it's cool or rainy, I'll wear pants. I don't try to hide the fact that I'm a gringo. If I wanted to dress the part, I think that I could pass for a Tico. But why? Plus, most of my trips are split between the gulch and the beach, so I always pack both.

I go to CR to enjoy myself, and I want to be comfortable doing it. If wearing shorts is "feau-paux" (sp), then so be it. But regardless of what I'm wearing, I will always show respect for the locals.

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I will always show respect for the locals.


So, since this is my first trip to CR I guess I should not bring the $2 Pancho and Sombrero that I bought at the flea market? I guess they don't all dress like Juan Valdez? I was going to try to fit in. :wink: 8)


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It doesn't matter if you are in CR, or the US. Shorts should NOT be worn at night. Even here in Miami, in the summer, shorts are not allowed. If you want to look the fool, wear shorts. If you want to be stylish, pants only. To each their own. But the nice thing about CR, like someone said in a previous post, they don't care about the pants/shorts, they only care if you have some cash in you shorts/pants.


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But I say screw 'em, we're the ones with the money. 8)

I think you just provided the perfect definition of the term "ugly-American".


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I don't wear shorts in the city simply because I'm more likely to scuff my knee, rub up against something greasy etc. It's faster for me to change into a fresh pair of jeans than to shower or do extensive first aid. For me pants are just armor.

No, the locals won't mistake most of us for ticos, long pants or short. What is in doubt if we wear pants is our business. If we're wearing shorts, the locals might perceive that we're on vacation, thus more likely to be easy to separate from our money.

Pants, particularly slacks or Dockers send a different message. Maybe gringo is here on business and won't stand for any tomfoolery....

Furthermore, Americanos seem to be the only national group bent on wearing shorts in the city. Could be wrong on that; this is hardly an eye-witness account. :D

Berlitz types and other professional language/culture teachers have consistently suggested that travelers wear long trousers in the evenings in C.R., and during the day in non-resort areas. I guess this means that shorts are okay in the Gulch during the day.

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It doesn't matter if you are in CR, or the US. Shorts should NOT be worn at night. Even here in Miami, in the summer, shorts are not allowed. If you want to look the fool, wear shorts. If you want to be stylish, pants only. To each their own.


Rather bold statement. Really depends on the city, either US or outside the US. In Austin, Tx. the cool people wear shorts YEAR-ROUND. This is a college city and a high-tech city. There are only a handful of places where you will not be allowed entrance if you have shorts on.

Americans tend to dress for comfort. I have been to very few places outside the U.S. where the Nationals wear shorts in great numbers. Even in Mexico or other places with hot climes. Strange to me but, as you said, to each their own. I will be in SJO in 2+ weeks and I will be in shorts unless a cold front comes through.


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But I say screw 'em, we're the ones with the money. 8)

I think you just provided the perfect definition of the term "ugly-American".


I don't believe there's a dash in that term.

And you know what, I really don't care. Unless I am moving to a different country and attempting to assimilate into their culture, I'm not going to pretend I'm not American. That doesn't mean I don't respect the local cultures and I do attempt to converse with them in their language rather than expect them to cater to English.

In the end, all that matters is that you have an enjoyable time and that no one gets hurt in the process. If you're not comfortable wearing long pants when it's hot, screw the people who tell you not to wear shorts. Go with your heart and your internal thermometer.

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There is middle ground between being an UglyAmerican and trying to conform to every ASSUMED local custom in a given locale. Some people go overboard when they get overseas (from the USA) and try to say if you don't follow every presumed custom (many customs are not even followed 100 percent by a population anyway) you are somehow going to be looked at as a "fool" or some other such negative. Find the balance you will be alright.

Just like in the USA some gringos like to "boss you around" in foreign countries too. Learn from the people who offer their well earned lessons of experience and tell the others to take a hike.


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There is middle ground between being an UglyAmerican and trying to conform to every ASSUMED local custom in a given locale.


Excellent statement.... I agree! However...

Last spring I was wearing long pants...nice black slacks... in the afternoon around the gultch. The shirt I was wearing was a short sleeved tommy bahama type shirt with just the faintest flower type design.....I was a gringo standout!!

Who is the member with the madgringo emblem here? Hey buddy where ever you are, I was the standout that day!

Needless to say, walking around in the afternoon in that part of town, all the panhandlers got real happy and tended to follow me. Some for 2 blocks!! I was even offered cocaine quite blantantly...

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IMHO the custombres here are beginning to change somewhat with the Ticos; especially the younger ones. Maybe not correct, but is seems like everyday I see more guys in shorts

I personally do not wear shorts in SJ mainly because I do a LOT of walking in very bad areas, and do not want to stand out anymore than necessary. And I personally believe in the old saying "When in ----- do as the natives do" as much as possible. We gringos get laughed at and made fun of enough as it is without much effort on our part.

But I also agree that guys here on "vacation" are just that, "on vacation" and should do what is best for each individual in order to enjoy the vacation. If standing out in a croud, being laughed at, and becoming a "MARK" are no problem; go for it!!

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I'm going to rant, feel free to ignore me. I just have to get it off my chest. Disclaimer: I'm going to rag on Europeans. I love Europe and Europeans, but I apologize now. I love you, but you deserve it.

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I think you just provided the perfect definition of the term "ugly-American".


I don't take exception to what you've written Sandino. I think you're pretty well justified in your comment. But is it me, or is this a completely unfair and outdated notion worldwide (yet still universally used)?

The term "Ugly American" is ubiquitous. We all know what it means, and we all would probably agree that it's a universally accepted stereotype. But it seems to me that it's usually completely false. And like many stereotypes of Americans it often applies much more readily to Europeans than to Americans. In the past, I was particularly aware of this stereotype, and tried vigorously not to live up to it. But in doing so, I found myself occasionally embarrassed by the behavior of fellow Americans, but most often horrified by the behavior of other nationalities.

Loud: Is there anyone on this planet louder than Australians? Yes, Italians.

Rude: Does anyone believe the French aren't worse than Americans? And as for being surly, let's not address the entire Middle East.

Drunk: OK, I don't know where to start.

Boorish: Germans, enough said. My god, I've been horrified by the outright crude obnoxious disregard for everyone else around them lately.

Fat: OK, we still win. I'm 265lbs, but carry it "somewhat" well. As well as you can carry 265lbs, which isn't that well. But I'm usually the biggest guy in a restaurant (appropriate place to discuss this). But recently I've been on a few trips where I took an excursion (which puts you in close proximity to other tourists of all nationalities) and found myself to not only NOT be the largest person, but to place third, or even fourth. Usually I surrender the girth title to a German. But I've been noticing lately that the whole world is catching up to us. I think we can take credit (fast food). But if we're going to keep our title it's going to take a lot of hours at the Krispy Kreme (which they have in Harrod's now !?!).

Human Cringe-Generating machines: The English. They're walking all-around train-wrecks. I used to live in London and loved it (and them), but good grief people.

Cheap: Germany wins again, hands down. You will occasionally get stiffed by an American, but you're virtually guaranteed to get stiffed by a German. Something has changed fundamentally in their mindset over the last 10 years. I’ve affirmed this with several other people who have regular contact with them. It’s bizarre.

Complaining: I don’t know. I still think this applies to so many American tourists. But I could make an argument for others as well.

Oblivious to the culture they’re visiting: Americans can be clueless to the outside world, but they’re far more interested in actually embracing it than any other nation. What other nation adopts other cultures’ practices, foods, traditions, and clothing like Americans? When we find stuff we like, we incorporate it into our lives. Who else does that (other than people doing it with the US in return)? Do the French adopt and tweak French-Mex? Do the Germans blare Latino music at their dance clubs? I could go into a far more cutting criticism of the homogenous and closed nature of all European society, particularly regarding the permanent second class nature of their immigrants compared to the US, but that’s another discussion.

Anyway, I’m tired of whining now. But I do get sick of the stereotype that we’re all bad and everyone else in the world is so considerate when that’s total crap.

If anything can be said about Americans, it’s that we’re patsies. We’re too worried about being nice and considerate and not offending anyone with our wealth, that we get taken advantage of, and ripped off by everyone. We’re suckers. But we’re polite, and we treat people better than any other nationality. The girls have said this over and over. Being an American you won’t get mistaken for an Indian or a Middle Easterner, but they may mistake you for a German or an Englishman. You have to make sure they know you’re not. Why? Because, in general, they have lower reputations with the girls. They’re rude and disrespectful. Americans are polite and pay too much. Japanese men are the only ones who outrank us, and that’s because their pockets are deeper, and they’re quicker.

But I'd rather be a patsy, than an A$$hole. Knowing all this hasn't really led me to say "screw them, we're the ones with the money", but it has lead me to blow off the concerns a little more and not care what people think so much. If they're going to continue to insist on thinking of us as the embodiment of all these bad things, when so many people in the world outdo us in these transgressions, then I'm going to turn the other cheek and disregard their opinions and live my life the way I want and not give a rat's ass. The Ugly American hasn't caused me to lose respect for my fellow Americans, it's caused me to lose a little respect for the rest of the world.


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Sandino wrote:
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But I say screw 'em, we're the ones with the money. 8)

I think you just provided the perfect definition of the term "ugly-American".


By the way, I wasn't stating that we should do anything we want to and to hell with the local culture. I just get so tired of people telling others not to wear shorts or you'll look American or be thought of as a juvenile. As long as you show respect and understanding of local cultures, it doesn't matter how you dress or what local rules you follow. You'll find people to be more welcoming and understanding if you do that. In shorts, your American-ness may shine through and attract beggars and crime, but you can make America look better by being kind and polite.

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HTP - I can't speak for others but the reason that I say you should avoid shorts at night is that you will attract the criminal element on the streets, IMHO. Wear whatever you want whenever you want. Your safety is really none of my business. However, there are a lot of guys who read this board who have never been to CR and the advice may keep one of them from making a big mistake. To me, that makes it worth repeating.

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