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CIEN OR NOT

Here we go again-- A subject that will never ever be agreed on by all CRT members to say nothing of the mass of other gringos that have never even heard about the concept of negotiating for less. I think I am probable the one Jadcujo was refering to about "if we all quit paying cien". When I made that remark, I was not refering just to VIPs, but ALL gringos; and I would never expect it to happen: toooo many guys with no concept of reality here, no ability to think with anything but their little head, or, are only interested in satisfying their ego.

And Jadcujo, no you are not out of line in saying the difference in $80 and $100 is nothing.. THEY ARE (IMHO) both out of line!! As for negotiating the "experience", I and most of the guys I know ALWAYS make it very clear what "experience" not only is expected, but is necessary. I and many others withmy mindset on this subject have no problem with cien if it is for multiple leches, 2+ hours, GFE, etc. all inclusive. What I have a problem with is 1 hour (which many times only lasts 20 minutes) of unemocional, no GFE sex (como en las estatas) for cien. Chicas whose game is to get the guy off ASAP, if possible with just a covered bj, and get the hell out and back to look for the "next cien"

As for learning espanol, I am a certifyed translator and many of the guys I know speak at least passable espanol. And we are getting the same "experience" from the same chicas you are paying cien, but we are only paying maybe half of that cien. And cien will NEVER be standard in my mind!!!

I totally agree that the chicas should be rewarded for a great session, but you are buying her "love" for short term; NOT buying her for a week or 2! Would you pay a hooker in the states $2/3000??? I think not!! But that is the equivilant to paying cien to a chica here. This is a 3rd world country with a totally different economy, average income, costs, expectations, etc. IMHO toooo many guys can't disassociate themselves from what is the norm and expected in the states. Would you go into a Burger King in a neighboring town and offer to pay $10 for a hamburger just because in your home town there is a resturant that charges $10 for a hamburger?? Sure you may think the Burger King is much better, but you still would not pay $10 for it. Another anology: Let's say you are a TV repairman and you fee is $100/hour. You have a Tica novia here who needs her TV repaired ASAP but you will not be here for another month . The rate for a repairman here is $20/hr. Now would you insist on or even offer to pay hin $100/hr?? I THINK MOT

I can only assume that a lot of guys who come here have more $s than brains (certainly more $s than I have) or they think they are impressing the "poor chica"; And, Jadcujo, if the premise of this thread is to ask why we are worried about it; I am because I can remember just a few years ago when even the hottest chicas in CR would never dream of asking more than $50 ( and happy to go for $30). Then guys started giving more, saying "Ah, babe you are worth it". Worth it compared to what A puta in the states?? Again that is comparing apples to oranges!! Also, its the same with the propina and or the "Baby dar me $5 for the taxi, por favor" And she is only going down the elevator to chase down the "next cien quickie" If we (gringos) continue to throw our $s away, in a few years the chicas will be demanding $200 (hell I am already hearing $150). Then it will be $300, then ???? OH yeal!!!! I KNOW!! Then the gringos will quit coming here and the price will go back down to what it should be. AND I WILL STILL BE HAPPILY LIVING HERE AND ENJOYING THE LUSHIOUS, HOT, SEXI LATINAS

AND any chica that won't come off cien--more power to her!! There is always some other guy willing to pay it and with 1000s of chicas to choose from here, I am sure, actually I know, that there will be 10 other equally hot and sexi chicas more than willing to try to give me the best, most over the top "experience" of a life time; and not for cien even for multiple leches and multiply hours.

And finally, I agree 100% with Mrlasvegas, Express32, and ElCiego's posts on this thread

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The answer has been posted all over the board. Its not what you pay but what you get. Two horas? Two leches? Two amantes? A guy pays cien and that lady will let all her friends know she got cien because its says see what I can get from the stupid gringo. As has been said many times and worth repeating............let the market work...this is all about business. Not a relationship...not love...its work for them. Works the same in CR as In Middle East, Asia, and the US. If a guy wants to pay 80 and give a propina of 20 to shut her the hell up and just rock his world and make him feel like a stud........fine with me. Work the deal up front. No mechanical "just lay there" phucks. 230 positions and 12 leches....what ever you want as a service. Buyer beware, You get what you negotiate for...not what you want.

I really don't see what everyone is getting so worked up about.

It is not like someone is being accused of committing a crime here.

For God's sakes, everyone’s situation is different. Every Chica is different. A guy that is GQ, buff, fluent in Spanish and hip to Latin culture is not going to get the same deal as a fat ugly Gringo slob. Everyone else is somewhere in between.

In the big scheme of things who really cares what anyone else does? We all do what we need to do to have the experience we want. That should not be contingent on what works for someone else or on someone else's theory about what they should pay or not pay or what ever the hell somebody else thinks it should be.

The bottom line it is a simple negotiation between a man and a woman. Either they come to an agreement or they don't. Everything else is just bunk really.

That`s true. The fat ugly gringo may get the lay for 50 while Mr. GQ pays 120, only because the former cared to negotiate.... They`ll take the asking price from anyone if they can get it, irregardless of looks.

You can lead a horse to water, but once you drown the son of a bitch he gets real hard to move.

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 Whoa. Thanks BangBang, Mr. Pato et al.

I want a cien eye dog. Cien is believin'.

I buy all my hookers sight un-cien.

What actor played James Bond, the only secret agent to ever pay a hundred for a hooker? Could it have been Cien Connery???


Whew. Okay. I'll stop now.

I guess it boils down to this for me: The del Rey will always be the del Rey in terms of price variability, and nothing any one of us might do will individually
or collectively keep prices down, because there's always three ignorant overspenders for each one of us. And note that I'm not calling someone who gets
top value/TLN/multiple pops/great beauty for their hundred "ignorant." I'm talking about the college boys on spring break who will do a 6 for 20 minutes
for the hondo and think he's in heaven, and to a degree the expense-account boys who throw out cash with more than a little smugness and ostentation.

I've paid a hundred well, a hundred stupidly, a hundred for in-between. In the end, the experience turns out poorly or well depending on my negotiating,
communication and even love skills, not to mention chemistry and other less tangible things.

I've also had $40.00 hours in MPs that have rocked my freaking world. Our mileage will vary.

Why should I care whether it's a hundred or eighty or sixty? Because I have farily limited money remaining after all taxes and expenses at home are
paid. My trip budgets aren't ridiculously poor, but neither am I rich. The twenty or thirty I save in the HDR will allow me to treat myself to an MP
session, nightclub visit, souvenirs or...food.

Sometimes the chica is in high demand, our time is limited and hell...you gotta go for it! In this situation I don't feel at all guilty about tossing out a higher fee, because
unlike BB57, I don't live in town and don't have the luxury of waiting for a forty-dollar Ms. Right.

Oh BTW, BB57, I may be calling on you to share your little black book with me. I'll try not to shame you with your local girl-toys.

I've gone far enough down the River Cien. I'm out.

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While i try to pay $60-$80 whenever possible,i have in the past and will in the future pay$100.I never go to CR/DR with the mindset to only pay a certain amount. I also don't care if its only for an hour as long as i had a good time.

In the States (At least in Austin, Tx.), everything is so easy. You do your research. Select the woman. Pay a non-negotiable price (a minimum of $150 an hour to usually a max of $300 an hour). Review the woman on a website (which can destroy the woman's reputation if too negative). Start over.

While I have been to the DR, I was there with my GF and did not partake in any activities (other than gambling). But to a newbie who is used to the U.S. scene, CR offers unforeseen challenges -- little knowledge of the women in the DR (even with the help of CRT), more than likely little knowledge of the language, and little knowledge of the protocol to follow, such as negotiating.

I don't consider cien an outrageous figure, even for a less than ideal hour. I must lose that mindset before I get back to CR (3 weeks from today!!). I am also a poor negotiator, being very laid-back. Guess I have to remove the "sucker" sign from my back and take the advice of the veterans. However, like several others have stated -- if I walk away from a session with a big smile on my face, that will be worth cien!!

BB57

My sentiments exactly . The perspective I am trying to bring is if cien is deemed standard then as opposed to negotiating $20 or $30, get those multiple leches, hours, and PSE/GFE.

I was stating the effort is misplaced. The effort seems to be on the bottom dollar as opposed to the experience. OBVIOUSLY I agree that cien for an hour is ridiculous, however it looks like we both agree that it’s reasonable for the aforementioned session.

So if we collectively relented on the cien but now multiple pops etc.. was the standard; I would consider it a win/win.

Was that certifyed translator? I see.

I think it might be quite an assumption to say you get the same experience as I do from these chicas for half the price. In fact, I’m going to leave that one alone.


(Now I understand I say this at the expense of sounding arrogant) but when it comes to P4P in the states, this is a non-issue for me.
So I can’t speak intelligently on the standard pick up the phone escort deal which I already assume is a joke (monetarily speaking).

I’m lucky enough to be in south Florida in my early 30’s and the availability of hook ups is almost non-stop. And before I get one of those “then why do you come to CR” lines, I come because it’s a great time all away around. Hooking up with theses chicas is a distant second. I’m well apprised that CR is a third world country. These examples with Burger King and TV repairmen although true, are off the mark. A Whopper is a whopper, and once the TV is fixed; it’s fixed. There’s nothing “extra” I will get from that $10 whopper.


But I must concede you made a great point, one that I constantly over look. I do not live in CR, I think those who do (and rightfully so) are more concerned with the prices. It’s easier for us who don’t live in CR to “not sweat it”. I guess one difference I feel is no matter if every gringo paid retarded prices, it wouldn’t effect what experiences I had. I’m not paying for her “love” brother; I’m paying to take her to her limits and a good time…




Cujo

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Costa Rica is NOT a third world country. It is categorized as a second world, "Developing Nation". It has been for more than a decade. It has a 94% literacy rate and and 95% employment.

(Sorry, pet peeve, continue)

No worries, I stand corrected..


Cujo

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KC, Sorry, I meant to say 2nd world in my post, just trying to type fast before I ran out of time

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I agree with this....On my recent trip I never even talked price to the Chicas. We just talked & laughed about life over a drink or 2. I let them do all the talking about wanting company , price etc. I would act with so-so interest in it all. They must have been interested enough because they sure dropped the prices below cien. I was shocked that one went for $40 out of HDR. Several told me you pay me what you think. Out of I would say 25 different Latinas only one ask for money up front & she was Colombiana. I was surprised by this also. Most seem to know what kind of guy you are from their non stop lip flappings with the other Latinas.

I also had several firsts on this trip in other ways. One Tica was washing her pu$$y in the shower with one hand & the other hand was busy with the cel-phone. It is quite obvious to me that if one knows their culture well, can joke & laugh with them in their native language, keep yourself attractive to them you can get some damn good pricing but better yet their is no time restrictions plus the performance is much more natural.

On more than several occasions I had to finally run some off since I wanted to get back to the action. Making them too comfortable in your room with games & entertainment & they don't want to leave . Several said it was late & asked if they could spend the night which again was a surprise. I only let them stay if I was done with friends & the Casino. I also let them know that I would not not pay them any extra & they said NO problem. This was with the non hardcore types.

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