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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:04 pm 
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The idea that they are "damaged goods" because they are sex workers is no more true or false than the notion that we are "damaged goods" because we are mongers.

I disagree with this statement. I don't think they are broke beyond repair but damaged for sure. P4P girls, particularly the long term pros have a jaded and distorted view of the world and men. Not much to elaborate on, just my opinion.

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The idea that they are "damaged goods" because they are sex workers is no more true or false than the notion that we are "damaged goods" because we are mongers.

I disagree with this statement. I don't think they are broke beyond repair but damaged for sure. P4P girls, particularly the long term pros have a jaded and distorted view of the world and men. Not much to elaborate on, just my opinion.

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My point is that you cannot make blanket generalizations about either group. There are members of both groups that are damaged beyond repair, their are member of both groups that have the ability to be good partners.

Beyond that, I don't disagree with a word you said!


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I have some nice relationships with some of these women that are no longer business relationships. I enjoy them, they are nice to me. My wingman is dating a former ZB girl and was dating another. Both were nice girlfriends for him. He is very happy with how these relationships went.


Kccostarica:

You have a very valid point the only problem is the discussion is about having a domestic relationship with one of these girls. I gave an extreme interpretation of my feelings so as to make the point that I have a very negative opinion of having are trying to have domestic relationships with these girls. The point being that even someone with my position thanks Pacifica55 is underrating the girl's level of sophistication when dealing with her life.

As far as having one of the ladies for a friend or to date that's far different than bringing them into your home, making them a significant part of your life and supporting them. I actually have a very high opinion of many of the ladies I have met their. And to a degree I feel sorry that their social environment require them to pursue this as a means of support. The difference in social environment and imprinting that made on their behavioral patterns is as significant a factor in my opinion that attempting to turn one into a wife is foolish as it is their choice of occupation.

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Obviously SOME of these girls retain their sanity and perspective...just like SOME of us mongers give up mongering. I think as usual we are trying to come to general traits of this dance of life called sex.

I think it is true on both sides of this equation that GENERALLY...once a girl hooks for money...it changed many perspectives for her. Just like when we monger, we GENERALLY will always be a candidate for a quicky now and then :twisted: . Its just the human nature.

What we have been trying to control here is some peoples perceptions that they are going to "rescue" a working girl and turn her into a long term wife or significant other. This GENERALLY doesnt work.

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[quote="Lee"]Pacifica55:

my disclaimer: just so the rest of you will be aware of the filter that my thought process flows through. Anyone who tries to have anything other than a short-term business relationship with one of these girls is insane.

Pacifica,

I am ion total agreement w/ Lee. Why anyone would try to move beyond a purely buissness relatioship w/ a gulch chica is nucking futs.

I have spent time w/ regular chicas and putas and your regular good girl who does not sell ass is much more rewarding for any type of long term relationship. You have to get your ass out of the Gulch to find it however and you are going to have to learn some degree of Spanish that goes beyond "cuanto". I had to go to Colombia to find out just how much better things were with a sweet El Centro Paisa as opposed to the HDR Colombianas.

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i wonder what's women opinion about all of this.


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The idea that they are "damaged goods" because they are sex workers is no more true or false than the notion that we are "damaged goods" because we are mongers.

I disagree with this statement. I don't think they are broke beyond repair but damaged for sure. P4P girls, particularly the long term pros have a jaded and distorted view of the world and men. Not much to elaborate on, just my opinion.

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Trophy wives , spoiled daughters , hot strippers and just about any gringa that lives a wealthy lifestyle can be put in this category. They too , have a jaded and distorted view of the world and men. The more I think about it... I realize that the majority of females that I have ever known are like this.

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I agree with alot of what Pac said here. I do want to point something out though. This is definately a YMMV thing. Some guys simply have little or nothing in common with any of these girls. For this type of relationship to stand any chance at all you would need to have some common interests. On the physical side , she would need to find you somewhat attractive or atleast acceptable. So many of the gentlemen on this board seem to have a negative attitude concerning any type of relationship with these chicas that goes past p4p. While I believe most are speaking from experience , in many cases they are the experiences of men that are 30 or 40 years older than the girls they are dealing with. Nothing in common between them and a one-way physical attraction. The bigger the gap in those two areas , the harder it will be.

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It really is so true... I liked your post a lot PAC...


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Old Chinese proverb.... "man who thinks he has women figured out has head up ass". Don't blame me.... I just report the news. I don't write it. :)

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:51 pm 
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OMG: ( oh my god ) :shock:

So the reason the vast majority of these relationships do not work out is that the man is not young and good looking enough to keep her interested. Now there is a young man that will be dumped and have his bank account cleaned out before he makes 35. Well you can always declare bankruptcy and stored over. :roll:

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