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There are two points here, both of which I think are important, but for different reasons.

First, hooking is a lot like gambling, and I'm convinced has the same allure (addiction). The payoffs can be huge, and any puta in the business very long has received them--the $500 or even $1000 nights, maybe even back to back. The problem is that these jackpots are extremely rare for 99.9%. However, as is well-documented in Psych 101, intermittent reinforcement schedules are the hardest to extinguish. The puta who made $3000 in a month six months ago and between $400 and $1000 the next five months still feels like she has a $3000 month ahead of her. It's a virtual disease (and if hooking were legal throughout the US the American Psychiatric Association would surely make it one, just as they have gambling). They therefore think in a lot bigger numbers than are real. A few enterprising ones with steady clients and idiots who send them money from the US no doubt do earn a consistent $1500 - $2000 a month (in very rare circumstances maybe more), but the garden variety independent puta is raking in around $500 - $1000 a month. Yes, that's a lot more than they can earn as a cashier, but it's nowhere near where their damn brains are. They THINK, in good gambler fashion, that they earn double or triple. The reality is they don't. This is why the smart ones getting up in age (mid 20s) agree to be novias for as little as $60 a week. Sure, they cheat a little bit when they can, but many realize that a solid $240 a month with moonlighting opportunities is a good deal. It's as if they've done their taxes a few years and realized what the real bottom line is. The more clueless and younger ones see the glitter, but it washes out very rapidly into a sea of low averages.

Although I hate to use anecdotes, let me relay one. A chica favorita of mine to whom I pay $40 or $50 called me from the Del Rey one Friday to invite herself over. Now, this was a Friday at the Del Rey when the sex tourists descend, and she's calling me for a lousy $40 or $50 (from which she has to subtract cab fare)? Plus, when she comes over she spends hours. Clearly she was willing and even eager to forgo the Friday gravy train for me (and I'm flattered), but this same chica later tells me that she's a $500 a night companion because that's what she earned from some guy last week. I tell her to get real. Most nights what she gets out of the DL is tired feet--and she complains about that. (It's not their love holes that get worn out but their trolling feet, really.) So here I have a chica willing to skip prime trolling time for $35 net who thinks of herself as a $500 girl yet has tired feet. You figure it out. I say she earns $250 a week, mas o menos, with periodic upward fluctuations--and nothing when she's on the rag. Plus, she has a huge clothes and not a small perfume and cell phone budget. How much is she really earning? More than she could as a cashier, but actually not a lot more.

The other point (and please don't cross-reference) is that I have found, or at least believe I have found, that Ticas see prostitution as part of a much broader lifestyle. A lot of it for them is visiting with their friends, showing off their clothes to each other, gossiping, and well just life. They are in short lousy business women. But I don't think they want to be good business women. For them being a whore is simply part of their lazy lifestyle. If they get a trick and are in the mood they'll take it, but after $300 - $700 a month they don't care. They just want to buy their clothes and pay their rent and buy "leche for my baby." The stark contrast is Colombianas, who are there to work. A Colombiana will be on you in a heartbeat if she detects any interest at all--and be back again for another trick with someone else if time permits. But a Tica? I've had some who have blown three nights and a half dozen phone calls to get my $50. From any kind of business perspective this is foolish, but I've realized that business is secondary to them. It's the lifestyle for them. When they're down to the last cup fulls of beans and rice (and their mother, who's actually raising their Babi*s, gets on their asses enough to demand some cash). they'll hook. Otherwise they just hang out with their friends and talk on their cell phones.

OneoftheGuys...one of the most honest and insightful posts I have read in a while. I have seen your observations as well.

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Shawn,

Great Post, I think you may have nailed the psyche and thought process better than any other attempt on this board.


BKTUNA
'I am never going home

Too bad we eliminated the "post of the Month" contest. This post clearly hits the nail on the head. Now if the poster could just explain to me why so many Gringos want these chicas as novias and esposas. These guys don't seem to understand that the chicas traits while hooking continue when they are in a relationship with the exception that they don't have to do ANY work if the jerk is giving them enough cash to sit,talk and eat in their new clothes, with their friends, while talking on their paid-for cellphone.

I concur, outstanding post. Couldn't be more dead on.

dapanz1

CRTers are quick to state that a relationship with a hooker (or former hooker) has such low odds of success that one might consider the probability of a decent relationship less than negligible.

I personally have not looked at hookers as potential girlfriends so I don’t have the perspective to argue that one way or the other, but what I don’t understand is that so many MONGERS will sit around and predict the failure of a relationship with a hooker as doomed from the start……you claim that ½ of the couple formerly hooking is a recipe for disaster but then you want to look at every other aspect of the relationship as if it should follow normal rules when in reality I would say that the odds of a chica having a long-term satisfying relationship of any depth with a MONGER are also so slim as to be negligible.

I have no reason to disrespect or criticize Prostoner but I do have to wonder if he has looked at this situation from the chica’s perspective…..Maybe she got caught up in the emotion of having life-long financial security from a nice guy but as time wore on she began to question his commitment – after all this is a guy who used to Phuck girls for money in CR because he wasn’t satisfied at home. He has gone to great lengths for new pu*sy before, what will he do when she hits 40??. And odds are he is quite a bit older than she is. And I’m going out on a limb here but did he swear off mongering for the rest of his life to be with this girl? Did he abandon his CRT membership and lose interest in keeping up with the latest on the chica scene in CR? In short, did he come to consider himelf a non-monger or simply a monger on hold?

In a recent thread (and maybe this one; I don’t recall) someone made the good observation that when putas reach 30-something they don’t just evaporate. Maybe Prostoners novia started to look at her future after she became secure in her present for the first time in her life. Maybe she started to wonder if he’d trade her in for a newer model once she started to show her age….maybe the whole situation confirmed in her head what she already thought of herself – that her best asset is her pu*sy. Maybe she had the need to hook once in awhile to keep that identity, to feel her independence.

In another recent post there was a story told about a therapist who counsels putas who says that they are all messed up chicas in the head…maybe this is true but to say that ALL putas are phucked up in the head because all of those who are seeking counseling are phucked up in the head is a lot like saying that every chica who shows up to the hospital emergency room is either sick or injured so all chicas are sick or injured. I’m not at all surprised that every chica puta who seeks counseling is phucked up in the head.

Personally I think that all of the generalizing that takes place on this novia topic is detrimental to figuring out the real issues….1. Most relationships are doomed to failure whether in CR or the USA. 2. Any long distance relationship or a relationship where one or both reocate to another country with a completely different culture is going to be hard. 3. Any relationship with a partner with low self-esteem will have its trials. I think we can all agree that many of these girls have low self-esteem. 4. A relationship where there is a significant age/state of life difference, combined with a big disparity in maturity is likely to fail…not to mention difference in overall wisdom and intelligence and motivation. I am assuming here (and I think safely) that most men who travel to CR are of above average intelligence, more successful than average, and more worldly than the norm…..and probably most Del Rey chicas are on the opposite end of the spectrum for those traits.

So why does it always come back around to the chica being the problem, rather than the monger?

On the one had you guys talk about gringas like the plague upon the earth and the chicas like god’s gift to the horny male…but then you turn on the chica if you can’t get along with her either. So girls in the USA are selfish, immature, bitchy, disloyal, demanding, and lazy and they will MILK as much from you as they can…..and on the other hand, the girls in CR are also selfish, immature, bitchy, disloyal, demanding and lazy and they will CON/STEAL as much from you as they can. The only real difference here is that lies and theft in CR are more culturally normal than in the US…and in the US we men have gotten pretty good about giving the gringas what they want most of the time.

I think that the very nature of us mongers is that we like variety and most of us want a series of chicas who will keep up the variety and suck our dicks when we want, clean our house, and shower us with sweetness and gratitude until we get tired of them and then we want them to slink away into the shadows gracefully so their younger sisters and step up with their firm little bodies to make us happy again.

I find it monumentally ironic and hypocritical for any monger to evaluate any chica for a long-term relationship and decide that her former hooker status is somehow more relevant that his mongering.

Face it, for the most part, neither WE nor THEY make likely good relationship partners.

My heart goes out to Prostoner and any fellow who sustains a broken heart over any girl but to take a situation as phucked up and challenged as a puta-monger union and try to make sense of it then blame its failure on “once a hooker always a hooker” is lacking a depth of analysis and asking the chica to shoulder all of the blame.

I for one really appreciate Berk’s post “Your novia is a hooker, wake up and smell the coffee.” I think there needs to be an equal and opposite position. “Your novio is a monger, wake up and smell the coffee.”

Very good post,

It says more eloquently what I have been getting at lately. I will add that we hear about the trainwrecks because the guys are back on the board. For the most part the succesful long term relationships I know are not still in the scene either live or through the board. As an old drunk in a funny hat told my good friend who told him his hat was ugly "You aint exactly a peach yourself son"

BKTUNA
I am never going home

I will post this once and only once. I will not comment any further. I have had the same "hooker/novia" for the last 3 years and 7 months. Has it always been a bed of roses? HELL NO. Could I call it a success? Depends on your definition of success. Are many of the stereotypes about hooker/gringo relationships true? HELL YES. Can we communicate properly in at least one of the 2 languages. YES, Spanish. Are all relationships between hookers and gringos doomed? NO. Does the hooker/novia still work in the HDR? NO. Will she ever again? Depends on me.

The only comment I will make is that it is EXTREMELY short sighted and ignorant to believe that any situation in life is "always the same." Nothing is "always the same." Secondly, and just as important. Getting relationship advice on this board of men who PAY for sex, who are single, divorced, never married or currently cheating on their spouse is absurd. I mean, we ourselves haven't got a great track record with relationships ourselves. How do we consider ourselves experts? Yes, we have our opinions. But, to seek advice here seems similar to me asking my car mechanic to perform open heart surgery on me. Just my 2 cents.

dapanz1

This is a sound bit of wisdom. I have a friendly relationship with a DR Tica who has let me in on some of the aspects of the life and her explanations are in-line with this post. She explained that some girls(like her) are very selective and might agree to go with a customer only once per night and sometimes less frequently than that…she guessed that in three trips to the DR she has two clients averaging cien each plus maybe a small tip. Sure that $500/week sounds like good money but consider her cost of doing business.

First, she lives about 30 minutes from the HDR and spends $20 each way for cab fare and usually splits that with a wingwoman. I challenged her about riding the bus and she gave me a good response #1 the bus isn’t running for her return trip home and #2 there are a lot of people who ride the bus and she doesn’t want someone from her small town recognizing her on the bus and wondering why she’s going to downtown SJ in the evenings. She also admitted that she’ll average about $10/night to buy herself drinks, etc. Judge her for that if you must but in her three days where she grosses $250 she nets an average of $160 in three days work or about $320 per week times THREE weeks per month (don’t forget about Aunt Flo). That is a little under $1,000/month.

This Chica sounds like she has her head on straight. She is picky about who she fucks. She told me she worked in the DR about 5-6 years ago and got married to a gringo, left town, but is now getting a divorce and is back at the DR while she gets things ironed out. She is buying a house and (she says) she is going to college next year with money she has been saving…YES SAVING.

She told me that there are plenty of chicas who make a lot more money than she does but often are either illegal immigrants or otherwise in CR from some other location and paying living expenses while there but have no family therefore they can hook a lot more and a lot more freely. The other big earners are girls with lower self esteem who go with whatever guy wants them. These girls might net $3,000/month but most of them tend to blow their money out partying with friends, buying clothes, jewelry, etc. and generally act foolishly and irresponsibly with no plan for tomorrow let alone next year.

On my last trip to CR this Tica met me at the airport – probably a $30 taxi ride for her. I asked her to meet me there and I half expected that she’d have the cab fare for her ride running a tab with the driver so I’d be put into the position of being assumed to pay the fare. When I met her at the airport she got her cellphone and called the driver she rode in with…I thought for SURE they would try to charge me more than just the fare to SJ. I didn’t bring it up; I just sat in the back of the cab and appreciated that she obviously spent a few dollars getting her hair done and a fresh manicure and pedicure. When we got to the hotel I got out of the cab and asked the driver how much and he said $18. I was surprised. So I checked the chica into my room at the Presidente and then we had a few drinks at the bar in the News Café, then took a taxi to an Italian restaurant on Paseo Colon for a $20 meal and a $50 bottle of wine, which I paid for. We went back to the room and fooled around before she left at about 6:00am, for which I paid her the tidy sum of $100. Granted I spent another $100 entertaining myself and the Chica with food/drinks/cab fare but she can’t by diapers with that money. Considering she probably dropped $50 on cab fare that day she walked away with only $50 net.

OK I’m rambling…sorry.

CrookedCR - concur with Bktuna - excellent post, and of course any guy who mongers should be the last to cast aspersions on a chica because she sells her body for sex.

But as you mention, with all the other challenges involved, if you are serious about having a relationship with a chica, why decrease the odds even further by selecting from the pool of chicas in the sex trade? Do guys simply lack the juevos or the initiative to aim for bigger and more eligible game?

For me it's a tradeoff. During my three years of traveling to CR, I've experienced both the pain and exhilaration of being truly in love with a non-pro chica, and I've had several "favorita" sorts of arrangements with various working girls. And these can be wonderful as well, but I don't delude myself into thinking that it can or should be any more than that. In any of my dealings with hookers, I make sure to check my heart at the door...

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For anyone who has been "in love" by whatever definition he uses, he understands what is feels like and how that feeling of excitement and anticpation is unrivaled and unlike any other feeling. To deny oneself this emotion out of fear is unhealthy, I think.

I am married to a hottie gringa who hired me when I was graduating college. After working together for about two years, we started dating (actually we started phucking and THEN started dating) and eventually got married. I can't think of one person who thought this relationship was a good idea but I now have a wife who supports my trips to CR and has even stayed with me at the HDR and visited ZB. Had I succombed to the advice of those around me I would have ditched this girl a long time ago which would have been the absolute biggest mistake of my life.

The nature of falling in love is to take a risk; perhaps that is where the excitement lies.

It sounds like GR has run his own course of emotions in CR. Love is an exciting thrill and I pity anyone who avoids it due to the risk of a broken heart. Enjoy the love, deal with the eventual heartache, and move on.

I have gotten some twinges here and there with CR girls. A good example is Cathy at ZB. She has really captured me in a little way. After our session in the suite in September she tried like hell to tell me something but I did not understand and she left the room as it was just after 9:00. She got dressed and came back and tried to talk to me again. I think she wanted to get together later or something. For those of you who have sessioned with her you know how she can melt your heart when she looks into your eyes and says nothing but has a far-off and contemplative look on her face. Her sweet innocent look is captivating and, yes, I have found my cold heart feeling just a little extra twinge for her. Am I at risk of falling in love with a 19-year-old who is probably in CR illegally, whom I can’t communicate with and who sells her pu*sy? No, but that doesn’t stop me from allowing myself to feel that little romatic twige when I see her pics on CRT or read about another member having a GFE with her.

So many thrill-seeking guys will jump out of airplanes, bet $1000 blackjack hands and engage in all manner of activities that give emotional highs but then they get all scared about love. Phuck it. Live and love …gringa, hooker, non-pro, whatever……and if you get beat up just move on – if you can’t live this way then sell your motorcycle, live off health-food, join a monestary, and alow your life to settle into a dull pattern. I guarantee it will safeguard your heart. For many I think the risk/reward equation of dating a (former?) hooker is very tempting. I say ‘go for it’ but keep your wallet safe. In the end you should ALWAYS be able to repair a broken heart.

I said I wouldn't comment anymore. But, I do not quite understand the statement? I do not know if I am reading it correctly so bare with me if I am not. My read is that hookers are bad? Lower class? Guys who date them do not have any self respect or courage? Did I read it correctly? Just curious.

dapanz1

Join the crowd......

YOUR NO ALONE.... :roll::roll:

Novia bullshit is just that BullShit....

Iggy...

I think this is a very interesting post. I think your new outlook is correct to keep you from being hurt. I do believe that these girls all suffer from a mind set. They always look for the easiest way get by in life. We lie to them they lie to us. The relationship could be real but they are still working a job and need to make money. If you are their sponsor they all believe at some point we will dump them so they cannot count on the money forever.

What does it mean? Every "relationship" with them needs to be entered with your eyes wide open.

Some can play the game and have a girl waiting for them when they return knowing full well how she has been working. Luckily I am in this category. Most people are not able to be "emotionally unavailable" and do end up putting there emotional cards on the table. This is when you get hurt.

I don't totally agree when guys say they are all the same. If they are talking they are lieing. They are working. They are providing the fantasy that I want and cannot find in the US. Do they use me and lie? Yes! Do I use them and lie? Some I guess. But being divorced and coming down 6 to 8 times a year I do not need to lie as much as some. But never forget they are used to being lied to. So they expect it and do the same to protect themselves.

I am not defending any of this or judging anything. But it is truely free enterprise where the final statement should always be buyer beware. I love the fantasy and always understand that it can end in a dose of a reality I do not like. I am not ready willing or able to send a girl money when I am not there for the reason stated above but if that is your thing if you think she is the one just always be ready for a dose of reality in the end. Then remember the good times and say thank you for the fantasy you gave me. Always remember she did not take your money you gave it to her.

And then...

Back to the bar for the next fantasy that keeps you coming back!