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Are you a GFE guy, or an LAL guy?
1) I am a GFE guy, either always or usually. 58%  58%  [ 79 ]
2) I am an LAL guy, either always or usually 29%  29%  [ 40 ]
3) None of the above 13%  13%  [ 18 ]
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 1:19 pm 
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This is not about Cristal. Some of you are sick of her, and I am getting there. But I did notice something happening on that series of trip reports, and a number of earlier ones. There seems to be a definite trend for a monger to be in one of the two camps. There are the GFE guys, and the LAL guys. The GFE guys are into the girlfriend experience, and the LAL guys just want to "Love-em And Leave-em." Nothing wrong with either side, but I began developing a theory I wanted to trot out here. If I am wrong, I am sure I will be corrected.

What is a GFE guy?

A GFE guy is more into the "experience." He wants the illusion of a girl friend. He is into the more romantic aspects of the encounter. He likes DFK, and DATY (for a longer time). He prefers two hours. One hour is just not enough, and 30 minutes is over in a heart beat. He is more likely to bring gifts for the chicas. He is more willing to get personal and talk to her first. If a girl wins his heart, he is more likely to see them again later, take them shopping, or take them to dinner. He is more likely to take her number, and even have a little black book with lots of chica numbers and e-mails. He is more likely to stay in touch after he returns. He is more willing to discuss his feelings. He likes to get into the girls head. He finds out more info about their family, and is more likely to even meet them. He expresses concern for their poverty. He is generally seen as a good guy, and a sensitive guy. I am a GFE guy (although I don't know about that last sentence). A GFE guys trip report tends to be a bit longer, and include more detail NOT involving sex, although intimate details of sexual encounters are usually included. They are more likely to get to know the chicas and try to figure out what makes them tick.

What is an LAL guy?
He prefers to love em, and leave em. Once the deed is done, he is not into cuddling much. He wants to pay them to leave. He is less likely to do them a second time. Hey, this is a conquest. Why capture the hill twice? Their trip reports are more about sex, and less about emotional bonding. They will do DFK and DATY, but not for long. They are hard charging guys, usually sharing their encounters over a beer. They might even be called macho men, but that is not meant as a derogatory term. They are more likely to refer to the chica as a whore, or worse. They see them as sex providers, little more. Generally, they have had some negative experiences with girls in the past. They are less trusting of chicas and their motives. They usually don't bother with their phone numbers or e-mails, because they have no interest in calling them. They are more likely to see every comment from a chica as a lie. They pride themselves on not buying into their stories. They do NOT like to talk about their own emotions. In fact, just reading about it here probably makes some LAL guys have sweaty palms.

There is nothing wrong with either method. Both groups want hot young latina pu*sy, so we share something in common, and find ourselves here sharing a message board. It does seem to me that sometimes the LAL guys get frustrated when they read trip reports and posts by GFE guys. I saw one just the other day. An LAL guy said "lets stop all this serious talk and just go back to having fun." He did not understand that for a GFE guy, all this introspection and emotion IS fun. But it obviously made him uncomfortable.

I have been picking up on this for awhile, but it wasn't until some guys got furious with me over the Cristal saga that I realized what was probably going on. Some of you LAL guys can't even comprehend doing it the way I did. It gets you frustrated to think that I did all that. Again...this is not about Cristal. I have seen this before, and have had GFE guys tell me they would never file a trip report, for fear of getting flamed by the LAL guys. They did not say LAL, that is MY term. But I finally understood what they meant.

I would hope that both sides would respect the other. I would suggest to an LAL guy, if you read a GFE trip report, just move on. It will probably have way too much emotion in it, and you won't like it. But that does not mean the GFE guy is wrong. I admit I was wrong in some of my tactics, and I appreciated the advice, but the name calling went overboard. I have thick skin (just ask Cristal), but most GFE guys are sensitive to criticism. I would ask the LAL guys to cut us GFE guys a break.

An LAL guy will never understand a GFE guys true motivation. It is foreign to him. A GFE guy will never turn into an LAL guy. But we both share a common goal. To score as much as we can, and that goal is the bond that keeps us all together here, in one happy but dysfunctional family. I would appreciate sincere comments, knowing full well that this entire discussion makes SOME LAL guys uncomfortable. I have avoided coming up with other analogies to this theory in real life...but maybe you can think of some?

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Sorry, Astro, I don't mean to be difficult, but there should be a 4th option for those like myself who sometimes fall into both camps. Usually for me it is just or at least primarily sex (particularly when I pick a girl just based on sight at an MP). Thirty minutes may be too short but usually an hour is time enough. If I connect with the girl and I like her personality the GFFE is a very nice bonus which I will never turn down. However, once I've added a girl to my list of GFFE's, I am more likely to seek out another date with her (and spend more time dining, dancing, just hanging out, etc.) than chance a session with a new girl ... unless, I see one that is really hot or I'm just in the mood for something new. See, I'm definitely conflicted.

BTW, you say that an LAL guy will never understand you GFE guys, but it works both ways. You don't seem to understand the other side either and your post reflects your value judgements. For example, You portray the GFE guys, like you, as the "nice" guys and the LAL as cold and cynical and as must having been negatively affected by prior relationships. Maybe LAL guys are just more realistic. See it all depends on your viewpoint.


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(looks like Prolijo and I were typing at the same time)

Astro,
Nice first draft but it's not always a black and white (or GFE/LAL) issue.

I think there is much more to each situation to make either choice that clear cut. It can depend on the guy's circumstances (married, girlfriend, recently divorced, etc) and the girl he is spending time with.

Is she hardcore, semi-pro, massage girl, non-pro?

I see elements of myself in both of your descriptions above so I can go both ways on this issue.

I prefer a GFE but I don't live in the illusion of looking for a GF. I don't want or need one but if I spend my time and money on a girl I prefer it to be more than just an unemotional quickie.

I like to spend time with a girl, dinner, dancing then back to the room. More of a date than strictly a business deal. I don't necessarily have to ever go with them again but I do want that one time to be enjoyable and not just for the sex.

Yes, a dichotomy, but such is live, no?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 3:01 pm 
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as a GFE kinda guy, perhaps a LAL type could enlighten me on what you look for other than looks? BBBJ? energetic? positions? Do you prefer that she not be affectionate? Or is it just you want them to leave immediately after you are done? I am just curious, not passing judgement at all. It would seem to me that a LAL experience would be very easy to find around here. Am I wrong?

waiting for enlightenment...

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 3:06 pm 
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Astro---

You really have to put yourself in separate category entirely mi amigo.
I doubt that 1%of the guys on the board have even met any other member of a chicas family.

How about GFE Guy LAL Guy and Astroglide Clone. Actually, I am probably a hybrid between the two. I really don't believe half of crap these chicas hand out and I really don't like too involved with them.
Love the GFEs but keep them at a bit of a distance. Love the hunt.


How about GFE Guy LAL Guy Astroglide Clone King Costa Hybrid Guy?

I do respect the chicas understanding why they work and that in many cases they are supporting numerous people.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 3:28 pm 
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King Costa wrote:
How about GFE Guy LAL Guy Astroglide Clone King Costa Hybrid Guy?
:lol: :D

Yes, this poll could go way beyond just 2 choices, Astro can expand on them all in his book.. :wink:
Like there used to be just type A,B or C personalities, now there are dozens of tests for 7,9 or 16 different types.

Some of us will go back and forth in the middle- the LAL gets boring so I pursue the GFE, which can get complicated and emotional so I snap out of it by heading back towards the LAL, with hopefully a little GFE. (If that makes any sense :? ) This is why the unwritten rule of not doing a chica more than 3 times is a good idea to me.

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For example, You portray the GFE guys, like you, as the "nice" guys and the LAL as cold and cynical and as must having been negatively affected by prior relationships. Maybe LAL guys are just more realistic. See it all depends on your viewpoint.


I did not mean to imply that LAL guys are not nice guys. I think most of them are, but I actually added that line about the GFE guys based on what you said your perception of me is, from guys who have met me. I know and like lots of LAL guys. They are fun to hang out with and have a beer with. I do think in general they are a bit more cynical. King Costa and I shared several great discussions. I think he is a great guy, but a bit more on the cynical side. You say realistic, and I will give you that. A GFE guy suspends reality for a time. I know I do.

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How about GFE Guy LAL Guy Astroglide Clone King Costa Hybrid Guy?


I am afraid THAT guy would be one phucked up mother Phucker. You are probably right, there are NOT alot like me. I do identify more with the GFE guys. I see you as more of an LAL guy, with some GFE cross over. I thought about more options, maybe I should have included more, but if you really are neither, or you share qualities of both equally, then "none of the above" would work. Each guy is different.

I do try to understand the LAL guys as much as I can, knowing I would probably never turn into one. On the same token, I am sure that most LAL guys have no desire to ever turn into a GFE guy.

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Some of us will go back and forth in the middle- the LAL gets boring so I pursue the GFE, which can get complicated and emotional so I snap out of it by heading back towards the LAL, with hopefully a little GFE.


I do see you as a cross over guy. You definately understand both sides better than most. You also did a pretty damn good job psychoanalyzing ME and why I do some of my crazy shit. I still think most guys lean one way or the other, or prefer one method over the other. But you...maybe not.

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Ahhhh, the wonder of it all.:) Glide, good to see you back in old form. this is the kind of post of yours I used to enjoy reading. Introspective and insightful. I'm starting to forgive and forget the last dozen diatribal trip reports and actually look forward to more future posts such as this. I've always felt that your best talent was serving as kind of a moral compass for the board.

With that said, I don't fit into either one exclusively. It depends on the girl. Some I've fallen for in a very profound way and will relish a GFE for the remainder of my trip, but the horn dog in me always looks for a quickie (LAL) on the side. I've aquired many phone numbers and email addresses over my trips, but don't keep in touch. Its an avoidance of the potential chica crisis "de jour" that helps keep my sanity after returning home (once bitten twice shy).

Like you, I have a soft spot in my heart for many of the people I've met while in the gulch, but understand that my achillies heal is my desire to help others. Thats why I refuse to continue a relationship after leaving SJO. if I can sustain the illusion of a GF with a hot chica during my few days in CR, for me the trip was worth it.

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I must ditto what others have said, the dichotomy does not work that well, same with the personality and behavioral profiles. I relate to points in both categories.

I have had a couple of sure GFEs, but both were literally fresh on the scene, each in the business less than a week. I believed their reports. It showed. Both had no friends, both were not dressed sexy, both clearly did not want to be there. I have a disarming manner and appearance and they felt comfortable with me. I felt the same about them. True test, I slept soundly in the bed with them which would not have been the case with a seasoned hustler. These were real young women, who had taken a route they would have preferred to have avoided, in order to get much needed money. I bailed them out. They wanted out of the BM, and they each expressed their gratitude over a few days. They got special treatment. Each crosses my mind once in a while. I hope they are safe and happy. One developed into a pro. The other I quickly lost track off, probably is out of the biz. These sort of situations, when I spot them and we click, surely interest me, otherwise, LAL.

If you have a good eye for the kind I have described, it can be a great experience. But they are skittish at first and may not be the best in bed, at least not right off the bat. My one that turned pro, saw her later after her tramsformation, and she was much better in the sack. But hard, glued to the cell phone, clock watching. I much preferred her prior state...


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There's a lot of both types in me. I have never had a gfe in Costa Rica, I never seem to click with a Del Rey girl as it's not the right environment. Unless I found a semi-pro, I think it would be extremely difficult.

But in Rio, well that's different. I've a Namorada from the Termas. I hooked up with her last November spending session after session with her in a cabine, then I saw her again in January. We would also get out during the days. After I left, she quit the terma. You might think that was the end for us but no, when I was there in April, she wanted me to stay at her apartment. Which I mostly did but she did not know that I'd arrived a few days earlier to play around and introduce a friend to the scene. By June she was back at the terma but when I was down there at the start of July, she took a week off to spend all the time she could with me.


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Per Astroglides definition, I am in between both. I will enter into any short term GFE relationship and leave when things go negative. 3 strikes and I'm going for the next chica. Of course while having the GFE experience, I will wonder for a MP session or a DR Chica that really gets my attention.

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I am in both camps.If a Chica is very hot but has little else to offer,I let my reptillian brain take over.But if a Chica has depth,I try to get many things from the experience,along with the sex.My favorite is the GFE.


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4Reel. I enjoyed meeting you on my last trip, and I kinda saw you as an LAL guy. Your GFE tendencies may be there, but are short lived. Anybody with "Love Em and Leave Em" as his sig must be an LAL guy! Have you ever brought candles to the room? Do you play the magic CD to get them in the mood? Do you bring little gifts as a propina for excellent service? Just curious.

CrCreamin: If you find that Chica with depth and you try to get more than just sex....do you see her again the next day...and the next day? Or do you prefer to move on? Just curious.

Doundandup. Unfortunately it is harder to find a really good GFE at the Del Rey. King Costa is one of the best at spotting them. You might try his interview techniques. The trouble is, once they have worked at the Del Rey for any amount of time, they lose their GFE qualities. You must get them early, before they become jaded. I have never taken a Massage Parlor girl out for a GFE....but on my next trip I may try one. I think there is potential there, waiting to be tapped. Little Astro wants to be the one doing the tapping.

PapaNut: I think most GFE guys are like you. Sometimes, when you can't find the perfect GFE candidate, you just have to take up a nasty slut to get it out of your system. We've all had an LAL experience or two...but I keep going back for the GFE. What I love about Costa Rica is the ease in which you can turn one of them into a perfect GFE. It drives me back there over and over.

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Astroglide,that is a tough question.I have met the most interesting people in the lowest places and the most boreing people in the highest places.
If a chica is a sweetheart with no intellectual curosity about life,I enjoy becoming friends,paling around,lunch on occasion.If a chica is curious about a lot of things and is one of those "students for life" ,I try to make it last until it reaches its natural end.I tend to not get overly involved because I have been around the block too many times,plus I have a teriffic wife.I monger because it is hard wired into my genes.


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