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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:26 pm 
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Prostoner,

We have met on several times in SJ. I'm truly sorry. However, consider yourself lucky. Also, remember, she is the one with the problem, not you. At least, it ended quickly and she didn't take you for all of your money. To add perspective - I have a friend who is a shrink at the CIMA. He has many clients that are gringos who have fallen to hookers. You should hear his stories about guys that arrive in his office with heavy depression and anxiety over their ex-novia hookers. The story is always the same. Some of these guys come in to his office totally broke, financially and mentally. So, if you are not either of these, consider yourself fortunate.

I live in Escazu and can introduce you to plenty of non-hookers. Gals who have regular jobs and lives. It is NO GUARANTEE that you will find a princess. However, your chances are about 100% better. The second I hear stories of woes from a gringo, who has taken a prostitute to a level beyond business and P4P, I simply stop him. And, tell him that he is missing his first problem. Your girlfriend is a hooker and will never change. Maybe less than 2% of the working girls are capable of positive change. Once they are in the game, they are ruined. This is a psychological fact. The easy money. The drinking, drugs and booze. It is an addiction for them. Add to that all of their other issues and you wouldn't want to date them, beyond hourly, to save your life.

My doctor friend tells me that he has a few clients that are Del Rey hookers. Sometimes they come to him on their own volition. Sometimes their desperate parents drag them to the hospital, kicking and screaming, in hopes of finding a cure. He said they are all very messed up chicas. Sometimes they have been raped or molested. Usually they have problems with drinking, drugs and many are kleptomaniacs. We all know about that little problem. He has also diagnosed several as sociopaths. Wow - google that one. Despite all their various problems, he says the one thing they all have in common is that they ALL have zero respect for themselves and their bodies. Ever hear them say - Quiere sexo sin condom? He also said they ALL despise men, which is why they are in the business. Their boyfriends or husbands have knocked them up, ditched them, and forced them to work in the game. It is almost like their revenge. I know a chica who works in the DR solely because she hates her husband. She hopes he will find out. Granted this is a generalization and not all chicas are this bad. However, you can bet that this is the norm, not the exception.

Sorry to be so negative, but this is reality. I don't even like "renting" DR chicas anymore. There are a few ladies who work in strip bars, that are on my list. At least those girls are dancers and train for their jobs. And, there is no confusion that it is strictly theurapeutic pay for play.

Given all that - I feel sorry for the guys that fall for these girls. I hope that they get out quickly, safely and move on with their lives. Prostoner - it sounds like you dabbled in their game and came-out okay.

FYI... if she ever had a copy of your keys, you'll want to change your locks and notify security to not let the girl anywhere near your place. I know this sounds blunt, but that is absolutely necessary.

Send me a PM if you ever want to chat.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:42 pm 
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It just goes to show, there were NEVER any feelings for me on her part or she wouldn't have taken the risk for a measly $2
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Now you really are being too hard on yourself. In my experience the feelings are genuine AND evaporate manana. This is not an inconsistency in CR, where a lot of pura vida involves living for the moment. Please, don't beat yourself up with this "she never loved me" stuff. Odds are she did, but simply didn't follow through. It's less outright lying than it is "tomorrow is another day."


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:19 pm 
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Heck, Florida is out celebrating right now I'd bet. Alicia was (and will probably be again) one of his favs...
Amazing thing about the girl, I KNOW for a fact she was at the beach with another guy and yet she still won't admit it. And things are NEVER her fault. Guess that's another Latina lesson to learn.


More like a woman lesson. The vast majority of women I have ever been involved with are not accountable for shit. It is in their DNA


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:20 pm 
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Sorry about your situaion. Mine was similar. She wasn't a pro and had only been working 6 months when I met her. She quit for the year and a half that we were together and I was paying most of the expenses and worked part time at her brother in law's clothing store downtown.

Now that we are done I have found her on the G y G Site. This coming trip I will be mongering and have already reviewed Chicas 101 just as a refresher.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:24 am 
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Pacifica55 wrote:
...The only way to take a working girl away from her "craft" is to wait until she wants to get out more than anything. ...

The problem is that a chica may say she REALLY wants to stop hooking more than anything, but eventually she is lured back to the dollar.

I've seen girls tell gringos how much they REALLY REALLY want to stop hooking and they mean it. Many tell stories of their Ch*ldren getting older and starting to ask questions. After a few weeks washing toliets as some hotel housekeeeper, they usually go back to sucking C*ck for cash. At least the first few times they TRY to quit.

If you must date a hooker, you are better off finding one that has quit a while ago, and has gotten into the swing of living a civilian life with a civilian job and a civilian budget. She needs to experience dealing with financial emergencies WITHOUT selling her ass to make some extra cash. She needs to reach a point where the standard 60 hour tico work week for very little money is normal to her. She needs to learn how to deal with her family, now that she no longer can send them as much money as before.

Most of the offers gringos are REALLY making to their "novias" isn't necessarily to stop hooking, but rather to hook for only one client (them). She is still selling her ass, she just has an exclusivity contract with you.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:55 am 
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It just goes to show, there were NEVER any feelings for me on her part or she wouldn't have taken the risk for a measly $2
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There you go thinking like a dufus gringo again. Working girls have the ability to separate phucking for cash from phucking their honey. Just because she uses her tailfeathers to make some extra cash does not mean she does not have legitimate feelings for you.



That is how it is. It is just work for them. Like a photographer on an assignment. Regardless if you agree or not, that is how they all look at it. In her mind she was not cheating, she was just doing what she does. Like a plumber or a lawyer or an accountant.

Counte, I am with you too ....... it is tough for these girls to adjust to living on a civilian budget. It is a big adjustment for them. That is why I think that it is so important not to go too far too fast with the monogamy thing with these girls. I think good relationships with them are possible, a lot of them a good women. But expecting them not to do what they do is not very realistic. It takes them time to get it figured out, and to tell the truth, most won't quit until their boobs start to sag and their asses get fat and it is damn near impossible for them to turn the trick.


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Damn Pacifica...how is it you always make things so clear to me. Thanks again me amigo!
I'm taking that advice to heart and gonna try to expand the options despite the recent developments. Talked to quite a few different chicas tonight at the SL Halloween Party and DR, that is after I got up off the floor from the lashing VB gave me :oops:
A lot of us were missing you tonight...hurry up and get your ass back down here.

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Counte Dante wrote:
Pacifica55 wrote:
...The only way to take a working girl away from her "craft" is to wait until she wants to get out more than anything. ...

The problem is that a chica may say she REALLY wants to stop hooking more than anything, but eventually she is lured back to the dollar.

I've seen girls tell gringos how much they REALLY REALLY want to stop hooking and they mean it. Many tell stories of their Ch*ldren getting older and starting to ask questions. After a few weeks washing toliets as some hotel housekeeeper, they usually go back to sucking C*ck for cash. At least the first few times they TRY to quit.

I tend to disagree. Everyone seems to think that the economy in CR revolves around the Gulch. There are plenty of jobs in CR beyond scrubbing toilets. In fact, it is very easy to find a job, providing you have a cedula. If you are a chica with K*ds, no husband for support, and no residency, then I agree, your options are limited.

Chicas enter the business for various reasons. However, to say that generally their only other option is a shit job in a hotel or restaurant, is wrong for most.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:09 pm 
Chi, those are good points, but finding a job that pays more than $500 a month is not so easy. That is the rub, if you are talking about a single mom that is NOT living with her family it is just about impossible to make ends meet.

Some of the ZB girls are pulling upto $300 a day, and averaging close to $200. By Costa Rica standards, that is an affluent standard of living. When some of these women that have 2 or 3 mouths to feed, they look at it as a sacrafice that is worth making. They take care of their Ch*ldren by day, and work by night.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:22 am 
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I was mentioning the housekeeper job soley as an example, although I do find a lot of chicas that wind up doing that.

Like KC said, while finding a job in CR for those with a cedula may be easy, finding a job that pays anywhere near what they were making before is rather difficult.

I have met chicas at the Del Ray and other places who were doctors, lawyers, teachers, students and some who spoke 3+ languages well. However the VAST majority have very few marketable job skills. Many don't have a high school diploma. They have enough basic skills to land a job outside of the gulch, but the average tico salary is $3000, which brakes down to $250 per month. Lets give them the benefit of the doubt and say with their English skills, they are making $500 per month or about $6000 per year.

Now lets compare that with their previous puta salary. Let's say that they are not one of the Del Ray Moneymakers who is pulling in $300 a day. In this example, I'll use a tica I know who ONLY works at the garden's bar and grill next to the Castillo. She is there usually every day for about 5-6 hours. Lets say she gets one customer most days and maybe 1 or 2 days a week she goes away emtyhanded. She can be had for $40 although sometimes guys over pay (but rarely cien). My bet is she brings in MINIMUM $250 a week, which is $1000 per month and $12000 per year.

This is a tica who has been hooking since she was 14 and has virtually no other job skills. But for 35 hours per week, of which she is sitting at the bar talking and drinking cofee for 30 an actually phucking for maybe 5, she brings in a fairly high tico salary. She is making a little over $7 per hour.

Here is a brakedown of the minimum hourly wages here as of 2006 for various skill levels:
Non-Qualified Worker: US$ 1.81
Semi-Qualified Worker: 1.96
Qualified Worker: 2.11
High School level technicians 2.27
Specialised Worker 2.43
College technicians 2.80
Bachelor Degree 3.43
“Licenciatura” Degree 4.11
http://www.justlanded.com/english/costa_rica/tools/just_landed_guide/jobs/working_in_costa_rica

The avarage computer programmer salary in this country is between $10,000-15,000. So this chica is making about as much as a guy who went to university for a computer science degree. My bet is that this chica's salary is more in line with girls working the morning shift at the del ray, second and third tier girls during the evening shift, and girls who work the smaller bars. Other than bartending, I really cannot think of any job the majority of those ticas can get that will pay them anywhere near what they were making before.

Now we could argue that regular jobs are a better deal in the long run, especially as she gains additional job skills, since her income will only declne the longer she is hooking. But most aren't looking long term anyway.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:05 pm 
Counte ...... EXACTLY

That is why it is so stupid to fall into the "Save a Hooker" trap. They make more money than practically anyone in Costa Rica. They don't need saving. If they want to get "saved" they need to "Save" their own money and do something smart with it. There is hope for those that save their money to make for a better life for themselves and their family.

Yirla at ZB is a good example. She is working very hard to get a good education so that she can make a better future for herself, something better than what she is doing now. She is focused on getting a good education and to have something to show for the sacrafices that she is making working at ZB. In my mind, she would be a great catch for any guy. She is an awesome chick that is wants a good life and is willing to make sacrafices and to work hard for a future. Whoever catches her is a lucky bastard in my book.

The vast majority are just pissing their money away and looking for a Gringo to bail them out. Those are pretty much hopeless in my book.


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KC, excellent insights. Some (very few) working girls can use their hard on earned money to better their situation after their bloom fades. Most will not though. Pity,

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I think the HDR girls make alot more than that. A morning or afternoon chick that comes in 5 days a week and does 1 guy for 70 to 100 bucks is going to average more than $400 a week. I know several of them that are average in looks , don't pressure the guys and still do a session with some dude every time they come there. With a little effort they could do atleast 2 a day. These girls barely even try and still make around $20k a year.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:39 am 
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I think the HDR girls make alot more than that. A morning or afternoon chick that comes in 5 days a week and does 1 guy for 70 to 100 bucks is going to average more than $400 a week. I know several of them that are average in looks , don't pressure the guys and still do a session with some dude every time they come there. With a little effort they could do atleast 2 a day. These girls barely even try and still make around $20k a year.


You are right! The point is, even the bottom fish are making a good living by Costa Rican standards.

There are some that are making bank!!!! Some are making 4K and 5k a month when they add in all the money that their Novios from the states are mailing them.

(DO NOT SEND MONEY, FOOL! They make plenty without you.)


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