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I agree with Bilko's sentiment. Also I do know of six or seven long term relationships with Gringo's and ex-working girl that are succesful by most standards. They seem to have a few key common elements:

1) They live as a couple here in Costa Rica
2) The gringo has enough income to live comfortably and support the family. (three of these cases the income and lifestyle is very moderate by our standards but nice by Tico standards.
3) Every single case involves a Ch*ld or Ch*ldren had together

I know of no succesful cases where the relationship is long distance or where the girl is still working "part time"

As many of you know, I have a seven month live in Novia who worked before I met her, Although we never had a customer relationship between us. She is young and Nica and the last things she wants to do is to ever work again. Like most young Latin women she wants to marry and have K*ds (she has none now) Flamers can start now I am not gullible at all (no RFMs ever etc, but I am convinced that her feeling for me are real. I am the one who struggles with thoughts of infidelity and uncertainty.

As I have said many times, Age difference, cultural differences and Chica background all make it more difficult but not impossible. Lately it seems we have a rash of over opinionated black or white no gray area rantings rather than a discussion of the all the shades of grey.

As a final point, some of our membership seem to look down on the girls from a moral point of view. I find this the ultimate in hypocrisy. As mongers we all frequent or have frequented prostitutes. They are doing it out of necessity or at least have more compelling reasons than we to do this. Most of us are worldly, educated and have reasonable incomes.
It is strange how someone who thinks a prostitute is beneath marriage would expect a non-prostitute to accept someone who routinely pays for sex with prostitutes as a good marriage candidate.

Anyway, just my dos colones and I hope we get back to civil discussions of various points of views which is where the real value of the board is for me.

BKTUNA
I am never going home

Great points!

If I have learned one thing about CR, everything falls in the gray area here. If you are one that tends to see the world in Black and White, this is going to be a very difficult place to understand.

I am totally with you on the moral hypocrisy. I love my putas. They make me happy. LOL

I have found many that are nicer people and better educated than the population of Gringos that they service.

As a Latino myself, I can tell you that you're right. If a Latina chooses an older guy is because his wallet is fatter than him and then, she'll fool around with the young buck, and it'll be very likely that she'll share the old dude's money with the young one.
Personally, I don't want to get married to a very young woman, those in my age group are fine for me.
If you want to be loved, love yourself. Don't complicate your life guys, stay single!

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I'm 53. Last July, a 25 year old Tica regular of mine asked me to marry her when I return in January. ......Ain't gonna happen.

As a Latino myself, I can tell you that you're right. If a Latina chooses an older guy is because his wallet is fatter than him and then, she'll fool around with the young buck, and it'll be very likely that she'll share the old dude's money with the young one.
Personally, I don't want to get married to a very young woman, those in my age group are fine for me.
If you want to be loved, love yourself. Don't complicate your life guys, stay single! [/quote]

There are exceptions to everything, but the reasoning is hard to argue with.

There are exceptions to everything, but the reasoning is hard to argue with.

Sometimes I think men would be much better off to be laid back about it all & less controlling for their own good. Women are always the most fun to be with when they have a blast being with you. If you love someone set them free. It is easy to buy love by the hour but I have never seen it work well by the life.

As far as age goes I don't see why someone would want to waste his life where you never are going to fit in. If it doesn't look normal it probably isn't (if you look more like her grandfather than anything else hum....)!

I will say that I have seen 20 year differences in age work well. Cultures do change attitudes in this area as long as both look decent together it usually doesn't matter. Several Gingas that I work worth daily fantasize about some men they know of in their 40s or older like the George Clooney types etc. Yeah I know most of us are not George but these Gringas I know sure seem to think they would be happy with him, but thats women right !

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For the record, I just turned 39 and Alicia is almost 25. Actually, she is just a year younger than my last girlfriend in the States. I am also most certainly not fat...5'10" 165lbs.
I agree with most of what's been said BUT you can't understand 'till you've been there. Alicia was an incredible girl. There are A LOT of members here that met her or saw her in the past that would agree.
There were a LOT of reasons I thought she really wanted out of the business and think she was honest. HOWEVER, the opportunity presented itself for her to make a little extra and she thought I'd never know and it cost her a great life with me.
But on my side, I'm damn glad I found out her actions and words of the last five months were all bull before I ended up doing something really stupid!

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And no doubt, she was certainly 100% "pro-stoner"...

I've expounded on the "novia" matter on this board till I'm blue in the face, so I won't add anything more here. As a friend though, I would STRONGLY advise that if you're really down there looking for a girlfriend, search elsewhere than the gulch, and initiate it other than via a PFP hook-up.

Best,
GR

Prostoner that is not any real age difference down there at all. Isn't Chi like around 35? That is a pretty young guy down there from what I have seen. Thanks for sharing the age. It just goes to show you don't waste your time looking for a serious relationship with P4P women. They are human but have more issues that one needs. It is hard enough with non P4P so why throw gas on the fire .

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BKTuna

I wholeheartedly agree with both of the above points you made. I had planned on supplementing them, but realized that I needn't say anything more. Thanks for the thoughtful discourse.

Ciaociao

There are quite a few people on here that need to read this quote every day until it sticks. It's annoying to see guys try to act as if they are above it all somehow. If they were so satisfied with Non- working girls and the so-called honest & real love relationships then they wouldn't be doing the p4p scene in CR in the 1st place. IMHO , these are the dudes that need to be told to 'get real".

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I was talking to a friend tonight as we sat at a table in the Del Rey, and I said something to the effect of:

Guys who look down on these girls need to take a look at the situation in the cold light of day. How can you feel superior if YOU are paying THEM to have sex? If you were REALLY superior, wouldn't they be paying YOU for the privilege of your superior company?

We have something they want and they have something we want. Maybe it feels good for some to look down on them but I've met as many sleazy mongers as I have met sleazy whores. The whores are usually doing what they do to support families. Are we mongers doing what we do for anybody other than ourselves? I have more respect for a prostitute who reluctantly trades sex for money in order to feed her K*ds than a married man who cheats on his wife with prostitutes for the fun of it. End of sermon.

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I can only speak for myself. I don't judge their morality for being prostitutes and think that they are damaged goods that aren't worthy of marriage. I eliminate them from marriage or girlfriend material for their superior lying and game playing skills. After working in this business for a while, it seems to be second nature to them. I have had several close friends who were or are working girls and they just can't seem to overcome that part of their nature. Prostoner just illustrated this point clearly. He seems to be an intelligent guy, lived with the chica for a while. And in the end she showed her true colors. I will go back to my respect of the odds. These things are possible, and so is winning the lottery. I don't tend to buy lottery tickets.