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That's deep man.

Lonely gringos desire sex and affection, poor chicas desire financial security- seems like it could be a simple arrangement but most of us tend to complicate the hell out of things and tolerate way too much BS from the start. One thing I've noticed watching guys crash and burn with the DelRey debutantes is that the nicer and more generous a guy is- the more he's usually disrespected, used, lied to and viewed as a sucker and even ridiculed behind his back, and if he doesn't stand up for himself, take charge of things and make decisions- well, latinas hate weak men.

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Paco you nailed it. The culture here despises men who are weak with women. You can still be a gentleman and call the shots. I have found that it works much better for me when I am very direct with the girls, including the current novia. Generally, if you ask them "what would you like to do?" They have trouble dealing with it. A good example from back when Prostoner was in town. We were in the Kl and he was with a chica he had been with most of the week (I think) He was standing around suggesting they leave, and she was basically ignoring him and chatting with friends. I suggested telling her it was time to go and to start walking. She did a sprint to catch up to him and make sure Papi was not mad.

Also, I have had a number of girls tell me that they think that the gringos who buy them drinks/pay taxis etc, even when they are not taking them home are weak and soft. Instead of making friends you are actually sending a signal that you can be taken advantage of and will probably get charged more. Having a conversation with the girl and letting her know you are not a rookie and know the game will work much better. The ones that walk away when you do this are the hard core trouble you do not want anyway.

It took me about a month or so to let go of some of the Virginia manners from home and be more direct.

BKTUNA
I am never going home

Paco L.,

Your posts always crack me up.

I read threads like this and I go down the line and usually I just shake my head or else I get a couple of chuckles hear and there...and then I hit a Paco Laco Post and solid laughter sets in....I gotta thank you (and some others) for that. Right on.

Sorry to maybe bust anyones beautiful bubble. If you think your loving love partner is not in it for the money, just try & end the relationship & watch the seven vails be lifted to reveal the real Medusa inside.
I have multiple sets of paperwork & lost homes to verify this. And multitudes of friendsthat bear the scars also.
And if you don't have any money they and their lawyers (that you have to pay for,) will use the K*ds and custody as pawns to fu*k your life.
Don't flame me. I know there are exceptions to the rule's out there.
I just have not been fortunate enough to meet either of them.
Mow I will sit here in the USA, doing my time until the next time I
am with my loving, faithful Novia in San Jose.
That is if you have not seen her first.
Stratone

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There are very few exceptions to the rule.

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"To speak a true word is to transform the world" Paulo Freire

Actions without connection is like dialogue without truth - hollow, idle, missegenistic, exploitive, and unauthentic. For some that is sufficient, others struggle and some sacrifice. It's really just good old capitalizism to use whatever devices are available to gleen as much profit as possible. This is the lesson we have taught the world and seems to be how gringos choose to introduce themselves to the America's. Our words reflect our regard for humanity, and our actions reflect our words. We seem to want to separate the regard for our own capitalism from our own capitalistic actions. A sort of "do unto others and complain when they do unto you". This has been an effective strategy for disempowerment and the maintenance of classism. That there is little regard for the symbiotic relationship between those that seek the business and those that have the product is of little surprise. In this separation dehumanization soothes the soul's struggle for connectedness in p4p. The absence of our authenticity is, and remains a very contagious ambassador. If someone is able to find authenticity, on either side of the equation (and yes I do think chicas can fall for their clients - I started to use another word but think it wise to at least try being politically correct) then at least for one moment, and maybe longer, the truth has been spoken and the possibility for liberation still exists. In the absence of true words we will simply affirm the reality that serves our own needs.

OldQDog,

You lost me at "missegenistic." Did you mean miscegenistic or misogynistic? Then you lost me again a bunch of times. I will let you know where, but first I need to look up pretentious and indulgent to make certain I spell them correctly.

Ciaociao

Huhhhh!!!

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this is one of them "shaking my head" moments I was referring to earlier....

Well said

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And deep too!!!

Paulo Freire ; active in the field of education primarily in Brazil. Believed in an informal education process where dialogue was preferred over formal classes. An activist for the underprivileged.




Hard to argue with if we were not talking about pay for play. Call me a dog if you like it's been done before but I can enjoy a woman's beautiful body without knowing a damn thing about her. A hollow experience may be but not necessarily unsatisfying. Is it authentic love making no that's why it's called sex. Exploitive? We could start another whole thread about who's being exploited. Am I using my money to exploit her for my sexual pleasure. Or is she using her body to extort my money from me?





Refer to the above: depending on the mood sex is sufficient. As for who's struggling and who is sacrificing. Am I struggling to find the money to pay her or is she struggling with her morals to accept my money. Could be either way could be both.





Capitalism not a bad thing to give a country. You have a viable product you profit from it. They are political and economic systems on this planet were only those at the very top profit.



I have to disagree if you're saying we think it's okay to take with the girl has to offer and not pay her. I don't think there's anyone on this board that would have the slightest bit of sympathy for anyone who took the girl back to their room enjoyed themselves and then tour her out without her money. This would be an individual we would not put up with. In a sense as a group I think we respect the girls right to be paid and treated respectfully.



Let me see if I got you right: that some of us do not seek long-term relationships with these girls is an indication that we desire to think of them as inanimate objects that we can use and not have to be concerned about. Assuming that by authenticity you mean a relationship. And my way of looking at it these girls are actresses in the movie I pay the entrance fee I enjoyed the performance I leave my seat and I go home. I have no interest in the actress coming down off the stage and following me home. I'm having a little fantasy I'm paying for it. Too much familiarity quite often destroys the fantasy. I like my starlets on the stage where I can enjoy and admire them not in my kitchen cooking me dinner.



I have a need that need is sexual gratification. I prefer to satisfy that need within the boundaries of the fantasy that the lovely young lady that is there with me needs me as badly as I need her. I'm old enough and experienced enough to know she doesn't but if she is good enough at her job to hide the truth from me for an hour or two then she has earned her money and I do not regret giving it. It's the absence of truth in the relationship that makes it work.

Lee

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99% accuracy is close enough for me. I would further say that no man is smart enough to know if he is part of the 1%. If you think you are part of the 1% you are probably kidding yourself. So what does it matter?

Who really cares if if is based on money anyway? All women are very aware of the economic realities of the men they are involved with. So that is why I say it is a stupid argument.

I have a couple working girls that I have great chemistry and a good relationship with. One lets me stay at her place and she doesn't charge me if I am just hanging out.

I have no illusions. Does she like me, Yes, I think she likes me quite a lot. SO WHAT? If she didn't think there was a possible economic advantage in it for her, I would not be as close to her as I am.

In the big scheme of things, why does that matter? I really do think most all women are like that.

I think where guys get screwed up is when they start thinking in terms of fidelity with these women. As long as you have no fidelity illusions, then everything else is cool. Have fun, enjoy their company, the rest of the fantasy is all good.

OldQDog: how many shots of Jack Daniels did you drink before that little rant? What exactly is your point?

Paulo Freire I wonder if this guy ever masturbated in his life?

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Spunk glazed Chicas are the building blocks of the universe!

He had five K*ds Zippy, so barring artificial insemination, he poked his wife on occasion... if that counts for anything.

Berk......

I have enjoyed this discussion. Naturally, this topic elicits some passion. My opinion is that some guys really fall in love. If you are emotionally needy, you are even more vulnerable. It is understandable and natural that some guys truly feel something special for their ‘novias.’ I believe there is no need to downgrade anyone for feeling they have a “novia.” What bothers me is how dishonest and cruel some of the girls could be with their ‘gringo-boyfriend.’ For many of these girls the main concern is just money. Sex and faking affection is the price the girls have to pay. Many in reality enjoy the time they spend with their ‘novio.’ I agree this is a complex topic with many exceptions. I consider it is possible to find true love in CR (not recommended if you are paying for sex.) What makes CR so fascinating is that guys I meet here seem to be on a different page of a contradictory book. The challenge is to find those who are on a similar page. My personal preference is not to get too close to any girl and just enjoy time here as much as possible. In CR I have experienced some of the most memorable moments in my life.