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In the last year I've spent over 7 months in Latin America and the last 5 in the States. The difference has been what you would expect; a completely different culture with little similarity when it comes to sex. It's as though we're on women's "schedules" and adjust to their "dating style" here. We conform, fall in step, and accept whatever is doled out. Women here are not motivated whatsoever to adapt to men's patterns of behavior, particularly to their sexual desires. That's true of civilians and p4p'ers. It's really a wonderful place to be a woman; lots of giggles with girlfriends, cell phones and iPods to insulate themselves, and plenty of drooling men and money when the urge strikes them to have sex and/or do biz.
If we were in their shoes what would we do :? ? Look most men posting in this thread are what 40-60? We are fast falling out of favor & it hurts :evil: ! I certainly don't drool over 35 to 60 year old gringas either. Let's face it youth is beauty & we can bend time down south but not at home unless you are famous.

Older men are lucky compared to women at least we can look "distinguished" for a while longer than they can. It is just easier to look distinguished in a foreign land where people have fewer options. All the options are so over whelming to the gringas their heads spin making little sense at all to me anyway. We just have to accept it for what it is & age gracefully knowing where we can bend the rules of the puritain society. I still like many Gringas but they can not ever truly understand what we know about foreign women because they don't want to & don't have to.

We all know that the foreign women are not as desperate as the Gringa wants to portray. They really view men differently from their early programming. It appears to me many foreign women are much more tolerant of age & look up to a man that has something more to offer them like stability over tons of broken promises & lots of problems. Many foreign women are smarter than their gringa sisters in this area because they truly understand hardships but still most are not that desperate. I think they appear to be far more appreciative than desperate. A Gringa is going to call them desperate to justify their own poor behavior. What ever it is we know where the true value is & it aint in the good old USA!

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I also think Pacifica55 comments show that "if you have game, you can get laid anywhere". In the US as anywhere in the world...if you have class, money and can show a good time without being a pu*sy pushover...you can have a variety of women. But...some of us have gotten lazy and just dont want to play the dating game anymore. Thats OK...but lets talk apples to apples.


TMan, I can't really argue too much. Of course there is a supply of doable and doable+ hot women here in the states as there is everywhere. And these women like attractive women everywhere are either spreading or hoping to spread for the right man or men. So the men with the most game (money, presentation, attitude, or some working combo) will always get to do them. If I was that man I couldn't complain too much. But I'm not.

But I still have to maintain average quality level of the typical American woman, including looks, warmth, and general personality here in the states is at a much lower level than in the LAm places I've visited. And Joe Average American is left out in the cold with nothing, or with something less than desireable, while Carlos average latino living in Peru (maybe CR too, but have less experience in befriending local men there) is probably much more likely to be happy with his sex life, from what I have seen.

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But all American girls are not bad and some are very good. We say they are clueless if they aren't tuned in to what we want and willing to give it. It frustrates us. But you have to remember that you have your best interests in mind, not theirs.


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You cant compare P4P latinas with traditional working gringas. Just doesnt compute. Its more of a lifestyle choice. And lets face it, most American men are caught up with having the trophy wife or GF that the rest of society/family will accept. That normally wont include uneducated, P4P Latinas.


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I still like many Gringas but they can not ever truly understand what we know about foreign women because they don't want to & don't have to.


Tica - What if we did have their "best interset" in mind? What would that mean? If pleasing American women was doable and it led to the kind of experiences we have down south with pros and non's, wouldn't we just give up on the long flights and airfare? The truth is American women aren't as malleable and flexible as their sisters to the south, even when their interests are covered - whether it be with money, image, or the promise of a "better" future.

Tman - I'm not comparing P4P latinas with traditional working gringas. I'm comparing p4p'ers to p4p'ers and civilians to civilians. Any way you slice it, gringas come up short. They're more greedy, have more rules, more expectations, more requirements, they're more picky, usually less passionate, and are more pursued and used to being spoiled. You can't find equivilancy, no matter which sector you investigate.

Zippy - That's head-on true shit, right there (IMHO). They are defensive, have to make latinas out to be desperate, because they ain't got it. It's black and white. If it was here, we'd be too, but we ain't. So we're outta here, and they can't handle the truth. But it doesn't stop the dialogue for me, especially with p4p gringas. In Vegas guys spend between one and ten-thousand dollars on an evening with an escort. How insane is that? But women here sometimes reference those girls to support their case that they're a bargain at $200. Maybe they would be if the service was on par with latinas, but usually it's Mars and Venus, speaking of apples and oranges.

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Tica - What if we did have their "best interset" in mind? What would that mean? If pleasing American women was doable and it led to the kind of experiences we have down south with pros and non's, wouldn't we just give up on the long flights and airfare? The truth is American women aren't as malleable and flexible as their sisters to the south, even when their interests are covered - whether it be with money, image, or the promise of a "better" future.

It's moot because you are interested in yourself and what you need from them. Not getting what we want is the basis for our frustration. Like most men, or those of us that monger, you need acceptance and approval from women. I know I want it. Some of us need more than others. Do you just "date" one girl when you travel or do you date many, always looking for new ones? Lets be honest, the truth is that you want access to many women, not just one good one. Most American guys who are frustrated cannot get the kind of girls they want because they just don't have "it". What opens the minds of the Latin and South American girls is not that they are so different than American girls, it's that you offer them a much better socioeconomic option than most all of the men they have to choose from in their own country. So lets not put them on a pedestal.


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What opens the minds of the Latin and South American girls is not that they are so different than American girls, it's that you offer them a much better socioeconomic option than most all of the men they have to choose from in their own country. So lets not put them on a pedestal.
I agree to a point & I really think anytime you put any woman on a pedestal it is a sure recipe for disaster. Here is my take though. It is not the woman per say but how the woman is raised that makes ALL the difference IN THE WORLD!

Anybody watch the movie RV? That movie shows the little Gringa girl loving her father to death when she was little. When she turns into a teenager she is flipping her father off in the back seat (behind his back) as he is trying to be a good father. This is the norm in the USA these days. It is gee dad you're phucked, just give me the keys I deserve it all at your expense & by the way dad you are so "uncool" :? . How did this poison happened we ask? Hummmmm??? It is our culture now. K*ds have to detach from their parents like this it seems to fit in & "be cool". I do not see this in Latina land.

It is the culture & conditions that make Latinas by nature generally more tolerant, respectful & appreciative of men. They do not expect or demand as much for the loyalty & love they provide whether it be p4p or regular Latinas. I have seen similar Gringas but they usually have at least 1 or more foreign parent & have been raised in the traditional old world ways.

Brats are bitches always & always lead to a life of misery :evil: ! I have never seen this fail. Hell brats don't even like themselves so how can they ever respect or love another? Brats are never happy with anything for very long as they generally find fault instead of beauty with the "simple" things in life. Brats generally don't turn to logic or intellegence inside themselves for answers since it is easier to blame others. They turn to Prozac, Zolof, Celexa, Xanax, Lexapro etc. for answers as it is much easier to pop a pill. What do they find with this but more poison for the mind :evil: ! YES they take their easy road & we take ours by going south :D !

I will take my therapy over theirs anyday of the week. I believe it to be far more effective. Amazing how good mother nature can fix things. I wouldn't exactly put Latinas on a pedestal but believe me there is a WORLD of difference & it is at the core :wink: !

In some ways I don't even care what opens the Latina's mind at least it is OPEN :) ! At least they let us in the front door so we have some footing to work off of. It is up to us to make the most of it when they let us in. Generally I feel we all mutually benefit from these experiences. So many Gringas minds are SLAMMED shut without even the slightest crack to get in if you don't meet some of their pathetic criteria.

Jazz, I sent your first post here to a good friend of mine. This is his response.
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yep, he nailed it on the head

nice to confirm that after several years of thinking there might be something wrong with ME, as opposed to the truth, which is that there is something dreadfully wrong with our culture.

Of course, once I found my wife (in 1996) I realized that actually nothing was wrong with me, and that I got the last laugh at all the hard-to-get bitches of the places I lived in the USA. Perhaps many people thought I crapped out and married my wife out of desperation, and "settled" for just anything I could get. But after a short time most realized there WAS a difference---she was sweet, appreciative of everything, and worshipped the ground I walked on. Infinitely better than most girls here.

I pity the poor ignorant guys that have married one of these bitches and had his life ruined, and in light of the divorce rate here, apparently there are alot of those poor ignorant guys out there.

Maybe we will see a "wave" of thought among men in the future, the idea to "marry outside" becoming more common ? ?

Shit, all you have to do is just look around, and although they are few, the examples are there. Look at all the guys we know that married foreign (girls from the old country) never marring a Gringa, You must know of other gringos that married latinas and are happy. These guys are still married & happy. They know they both found something special & they both appreciate what they found. That is why it is still working so well.

One thing is for sure: when I used to go to those Latina conventions here, those girls were NOT any better than Americans. It was like we spoke about: those pretty girls were 2nd or 3rd generation Latina-American girls who were spoiled and grew up in this country. I was there to find the true Latina foreign raised girl....I knew the true Latinas must be better than the American raised Latinas, but I hadn’t figured out that these 2nd and 3rd generation girls had lost their culture and they were in many ways no different than American girls. I was starting to figure it out, but my parents could not figure it out.
THANK GOD ONE OF THOSE GOLD DIGGIN 3RD GENERATION BITCHES DIDNT GET AHOLD OF ME !!!!!!!


Where do you think more "BRATS" live in the USA or Latina Land??? I rest my case :wink: !

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It is the culture & conditions that make Latinas by nature generally more tolerant, respectful & appreciative of men.


Bingo! The sweetest, kindest girls I met during my time in Peru live in the poorer districts of Lima, or come from the smaller provincial cities. These women never have had enough to be spoiled in any way. Some of these women were wild for me and fell for me, and treated my like a king and asked for nothing from me except my company (talking civs here)...and some of them not so much. In any relationship there has to be a mutual attraction and this is going to vary. But I never met a girl from Chiclayo, Peru...and I have by now met many from the "city of amistad"... who didn't treat me with genuine warmth and respect, whether the girl loved me or not. I say the word love as it is everything with these kind of girls and they take it very seriously and wear their hearts on their sleeves. But there is also a nice variation among these "lower class" girls that can be found too...the occasional P4P girl who is still like a civ in her heart (not hardened), but will hang at a Tequilas waiting for the pull; needs a little money to support her studies but doesn't "work" very often. This type gives her all in the cama in every way, real passion and desire, and can be had for a low rate. These girls are the best!

The middle-class civ women of Lima I rate differently - still significantly better than their American middle-class counterparts but with more issues. They could be more interesting dates for conversation than the simple provincial girls, and the right one could make a better wife who would be more at home and less culture shocked coming to live in the US. But OTOH these women were more likely to be a bit cold and difficult at times, a result I am sure of their more complicated lives and upbringings - life that has a material emphasis closer to what you see here in the states.

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Like Zippy says, it doesn't really matter why the women we find abroad are like they are, just that they are. We need to enjoy it- I know I do. But it's hollow to pretend all Latina women are good and all American women are bad. If your American buddies spoiled them, so be it, but who is to blame? If their daddies spoiled them, who is to blame? If they were "done wrong" by a number of essentially, selfish and egotistical men along the way and part of their game towards us is defensive, who is to blame? Additionally, most of us are ill equipped to provide much more than anecdotal evidence which amounts really to opinions about how different girls are from true Latina to American cultures. We seem to be on this board putting forth the idea that we are forced to do what we do because our choices are so slim. But when we have the option and ability to do what we do, what do we do? Well, most all of us screw as many women as we can while falling for one or two of the prostitutes we get involved with. If all these incredible Latinas are around that would love and appreciate us why don't we all find one? Why is it that most of us travel to all these foreign countries and date nothing but hookers if there are so many good hearted, wonderful Latinas looking to be affectionate and appreciative? I realize I'm going a little overboard but it's just to illustrate a point. We aren't saints and really don't want to be.

Is there something wrong with American culture? I believe so. I've been traveling a lot lately and I realize just how driven towards consumerism and material advancement we all are. But I don't blame women for their role in that or believe that American women are bad as much as our society is programming and conditioning them. But still, they aren't all bad by any means. There's a lot about a man that is needed to attract women consistently. The truth is that most of us don't have what it takes to do that(in America) and even if we did we wouldn't settle for just one girl. So what makes us any better? It's silly to pretend like all we want is just one great girl that loves us and appreciates us; and, that if we could compete and consistently land top shelf girls in the US for periods of time before moving on to other top shelf girls, we wouldn't. Yep, sometimes American girls are just plain bad and spoiled, but surely not all of them. I believe American women are a reflection of our culture and to a great extent so are we. I doubt we all came out good while they came out bad. But yeah, I know it's frustrating to get shot down. Well, they don't shoot us down in CR or Brazil, they just take our money. And I'm quite happy to pay it but only a little at a time if I can. :)


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Tica makes salient points and certainly is more altruistic than the rest of the heathens on this board. I know there are "good" women here in the red, white, and blue - I married two, one for 18 years - but they aren't as good, for the excellent reasons Zip brought forward. Whether one is 25, 40, 55, or beyond, a single man's experience here will never live up to what one can find in many other locales.

Concerning marriage for the monger, there are plenty who do just that. And for that to happen, they have to find someone who makes it worth it. After sampling girls in other cultures, it's logical one would wait. What advantage would there be to "rushing?" I would think it would be more likely a gringo would rush into marriage if he were to find a smokin', compatible babe in this country, especially without the experience of knowing what's out in the world. The chance of losing her and the big deal of replicating a comparable "find" is just too great. And then there are those who don’t want to marry. Perhaps they’ve been there, done that. Regarding program vs. civilian girls, it's really whatever floats your boat. Both have advantages and disadvantages, and combining them can be work. But the "having your cake" thing is not new. And because single guys pursue it, doesn't make them unqualified to form opinions about gringas or latinas.

There's an aspect to this whole subject that reminds me of that definition of pornography; "You know it when you see it." Personally, I don't believe in censorship of any kind, but this statement can be applied to the "appreciation" factor as it relates to women. We know when we're valued, when it's bullshit as in "feigned", and we know when it's "luke-warm." Yes, we pay women. We pay them here, there, everywhere and have an excellent basis to compare. And girlfriends are girlfriends. It’s not rocket science; either the babe likes/loves you, or not.

American women and the foreigners who make their home here are inferior in my book. I generalize, but it’s pretty straight ahead; no matter your age, game, money, programa, non-programa, or which rock band you play in; no matter if you like’m young, old, fat, skinny, or in between; whether you like anal, oral/anal, oral, oral/anal/oral, anal/oral/anal, three-somes, cuddly sex, or EVEN NO SEX, Latinas score higher in just about every category. If you like attention, or like to give attention, and if you don’t want the “bitch” factor, or in other words want an unspoiled woman, there’s no comparison. Finally, if you want to stare at a bronzed bod the rest of your freakin’ life, that looks like it jumped the phuck out of Playboy, you’ll get outta here every milli-second you can. The States are for workin’. The rest of the world can be be for living. I just wish I knew that when I was a whippersnapper.

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 Jazz et al...

This is a truly interesting topic. Tica Fan makes a great point about our evidence being anecdotal, therefore colored by opinions and preconceptions.

But, I feel like bitching about some gringas, so here I go... Altruistic, fair or otherwise, here's what I've witnessed in the last two months here in the
frozen tundra:

1. A lifelong friend of mine, out of fear of his age, the desire for fatherhood and the instinct to "do the right thing" married a woman five years ago.
Both were in their early forties at the time; she with her biological clock ready for Menopause Savings Time and he balding and paunching.

I just spoke with him. Apparently the c*nt was using him for his money and sperm only. Once she gave birth to their daughter, he was literally banished
from his own bed, forced to sleep in his guest house for three and a half years.

She'll get half of everything. Not just what they've gathered/built together over five painful years, but half his house. He must sell his prize, the
home he has been rehabilitating/remodeling since 1995. His dream is broken, his marriage done, and his daughter forever lost to him. He was manipulated
by a woman who wanted a ch*ld but who lacked the fortitude to do the single mother thing. The marriage was more acceptable to her Protestant family in
Scottsdale than suffering the gossip about a woman who, at forty chose to bear a bastard. My friend is screwed, betrayed and generally *ucked. :cry:

2. I know a half dozen guys here in my population 25K town. All are in their early 30's. All have good jobs. All have good living spaces and decent
cars. None are ugly. They are, as much as a middle-class guy can be in Middle America qualified for marriage/LTR.

None, and I repeat none have been laid in over three years. Any local women who might have once been beautiful sold out to a gangsta wanna-be with tattoos
and baggy pants, got knocked, then abandoned. Thus, where there were once lovely virgins, there are grotesque MILBs (Mommies I'd Like to Bury). And even
these porcine, pimpled piggies won't lie down with these nice, decent, qualified guys.

In discussions, we have blamed the welfare system, which allows women in the U.S. to make biological errors in judgement without consequence. They either
have jobs with ch*ld care or ADC/welfare, thus eliminating their need for males' financial support.

Many gringas with whom I've spoken have told me that food and shopping are better than sex, that they've lost interest, that they're tired of putting up
with men's bullsh*t. Modern consurmerist society has changed their belief in their natural role. They no longer even see men as being remotely important
in their lives, and thanks to Ellen Degenerate and her ilk, plus men's fascination with Sappho, if they need sex women are now socially permitted to f*ck
other women.

I don't remember where I saw the poll, but I recall it was done by a recognized polling firm...maybe someone will remember and remind me of the source.
Anyway, women of different races in the U.S. were polled on their sexual behaviors. This is interesting:

African American women give up both the poon and the pooper more readily than their lighter-toned sisters. Black women, ages 18 - 34 reported having either
vaginal or anl intercourse three times per week, on average.

Latinas give more blowjobs, according to the study, with Latina respondents ages 18-34 giving skull a reported five times per week! :D Viva la Boca!

Guess who the biggest jerkoffs were? Yep, American white girls, who reported far more masturbation than contact with a partner of either sex.

Forgive me, I'm babbling. Anyone who defends American women is actually defending the society which helped mutate them into the cold, sexless, avaricious,
unfeeling/uncaring monsters they have become.

I am thankful there is a Costa Rica, a Pataya, a Rio, an Angeles City, a Lima, a Buenos Aires. If it were not for prostitutes, many of us would quickly
forget how good a woman can feel.

BTW, a wise friend, rich, buff, pilot's license, 7000 sq.ft. home in the country and handsome at 48 finally got sick enough of the crap here that he went
to Sao Paolo and found himself a girl half his age. She's an architect (but then again, who isn't in Brazil?), looks like Carmen Electra and is all about
rockin' the bunda. He's a happy man...sadly, most of us could never afford that quality of Internet bride.

Most of my other male friends are divorced, and those still married unanimously report non-existent sex lives.

It's either in our culture, our water, our diet or our souls, but American women hardly even qualify to be called women anymore. They've

turned themselves into guys with twats.

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EC,

Man, I couldn't have said it better. I tire of looking for "fairness" in discussing this topic. There's nothing "fair" in the examples you raised. If heresay is a problem, then lets get going on the studies. It's a critical topic, albeit, less "rah, rah" than who's getting laid this week at the BM. But I find myself thinking this way every day. I'm astounded, appalled, and vexed at how things can be so entirely different here. I hope I'm not beating a dead horse with this, because I know I've brought it up before. Sometimes I think some guys may tune out, because after all, what can really be done? But that's not exactly the right attitude, either. Small contributions by people make a difference, whether it's about the environment, disease prevention, or talking about driving with a seatbelt. If enough guys start advertising their preferences for being with women who still appreciate men in traditional ways, eventually there could be change. Let's face it; this topic has not been "fleshed" out in the public arena. Silence does nothing, and in that light I have gotten into some heated discussions with some bitches here, further reminding me of the tremendous gap and ill feelings between the sexes. There's a real problem - and NOBODY talks about it! Can you imagine a discussion of this type on prime time cable news? Or on NPR? It would be politically incorrect, and may even get the conservative FCC on the case. The male population has "wimped out" quite simply.

I believe most guys think this shit, but turn inward. We are scared shitless of women in this society. They did a real number on us in the '60's and '70's - actually, a world-class job - and the effects are lasting and continue to crescendo. El Ciego, the guys in your hometown are not alone. Far from it.

Have you thought of some baggy pants and a few tatoos?

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Do you guys think all or most Latin men are thrilled and happy with their girls? I seriously doubt it. It's funny to hear EC's the story about the Brazilian girl who marries a rich American. Gee, you don't think there was some financial qualification going on there do ya? That girl didn't come all the way from SP to marry a "garbage man" that likes to cuddle, did she? Use your heads. That girl married for money and is trading up. Nothing wrong with it but you are acting like there is something noble about it. Yeah, a lot of women use their pussies as power and call the shots but that happens in a lot of places, not just the US. And a lot of guys do strange and crappy things to women. We aren't carrying boxes of chocolate and roses around trying to find nice girls, we are trying to get laid. The problem is, like a lot of women, we're trying to have our cake and eat it too. Your approval needs are secondary to most women. Get used to it. If you like Latin women so much, marry one. But more than likely, you don't want just one good girl. Tough situation, huh?


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Do you guys think all or most Latin men are thrilled and happy with their girls? I seriously doubt it. It's funny to hear EC's the story about the Brazilian girl who marries a rich American. Gee, you don't think there was some financial qualification going on there do ya? That girl didn't come all the way from SP to marry a "garbage man" that likes to cuddle, did she? Use your heads. That girl married for money and is trading up. Nothing wrong with it but you are acting like there is something noble about it. Yeah, a lot of women use their pussies as power and call the shots but that happens in a lot of places, not just the US. And a lot of guys do strange and crappy things to women. We aren't carrying boxes of chocolate and roses around trying to find nice girls, we are trying to get laid. The problem is, like a lot of women, we're trying to have our cake and eat it too. Your approval needs are secondary to most women. Get used to it. If you like Latin women so much, marry one. But more than likely, you don't want just one good girl. Tough situation, huh?


Your point about finding "one good girl" is well taken, and I do acknowledge that part of our problems with women started with bad behavior on the part of men.

You see, like males in most animal species, we're polyamorous. We're fertile 24/7, whereas females are fertile approximately 5 days per month. Therefore, I believe our biological/survival imperitives are different, and women these days do not understand this. The propensity for men to seek multiple partners, while biologically reasonable is perceived as wrong by women who, because of our roses, chocolate and love songs have come to believe that Adam and Eve didn't seek a divorce after The Fall.

Women could have exclusivity, but they're not willing to work at it.

The late James Brown said it best... "Be sure to keep him weak." In other words, if you don't want your man to stray, love him up until he can't walk down to the corner and pick up a floozy. Women, partly because of their changing roles in society and their lack of need for men no longer feel obligated to work at passion, then become angry when their men go to strip clubs, buy pornography or have an affair outside the nest. Yes, Tica Fan...to a degree it is their fault, because they have willingly traded their traditional femininity and feminine role for a $10,000 used car, a $60K credit limit and control over their own lives.

As far as Latinas in Latin America seeking men with money... I'm sorry, but "Duh!"

Problem is, here in Honkyland del Norte, women seeking the same financial advantage are no longer impressed with a small house, a white picket fence, a Wilson Pickett fence, a $10,000 used car and a $60K credit line. They want a man who is physically beautiful and who earns at the C.E.O. level.
To quote George Michael (forgive the sacriledge of quoting G. M. in the same post as Sir James Brown), "I can't work any harder than I do, to give you money, got to give you money...Whoo!"

Tica Fan, N. American men are backed into a corner by the society we've helped create. Women have to a large degree replaced us with corporate jobs, vibrators, girlfriends, television and Internet shopping. Gentle conversations under a tender moon have been replaced by quick, incomplete text messages. We're phucked universally, and Latin America represents one of the last floating bits of debris to which we can cling as we try not to drown in a sea of Gringa Shit.

Yeah, I get your point: I've long thought mongers were emotionally immature, incapable of maintaining long relationships, have power issues. Yep. So sue us. We're doing the best we can to be happy and to feel like our sperm is worth more than twinkie filling in a Kleenex.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:32 am 
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El Ciego wrote:

Tica Fan, N. American men are backed into a corner by the society we've helped create. Women have to a large degree replaced us with corporate jobs, vibrators, girlfriends, television and Internet shopping. Gentle conversations under a tender moon have been replaced by quick, incomplete text messages. We're phucked universally, and Latin America represents one of the last floating bits of debris to which we can cling as we try not to drown in a sea of Gringa Shit.



Yup, and in a divorce they get half the money and keep ALL the pu*sy. They can literally screw around on you the entire time you're married then leave you for another guy and take half with them even though they have essentially broke their side of the agreement. That's a strange system. I wonder the law will ever stop treating women like the weaker sex?

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Yeah, I get your point: I've long thought mongers were emotionally immature, incapable of maintaining long relationships, have power issues. Yep. So sue us. We're doing the best we can to be happy and to feel like our sperm is worth more than twinkie filling in a Kleenex.


I don't think there is anything wrong with mongering. It's an incredible hobby and as long as the guy is in the right frame of mind and takes care of himself it is truly life enriching.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:38 am 
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As Dave Chappell said " chivalry is dead and women killed it" Zip, I agree with your brat theory. I have worked since I was 14. I rode a bike to a construction site and made 2.25 an hour during the summer. My dad always said its not how much you make, but how much you save. Ive tried to live by this. I have 0 patience for brats and have just cut off my own K*D financally because he thinks I should pay for all his financial fuckups. Alec Baldwins recent rant is an example of a father digusted with a brat Ch*ld.


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