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Sorry Luck4unme but Traylor Park is absoulutely correct on this. Perhaps to date you've managed to escape the unorignal R(s)FM, my grandmother's sick, my baby's sick, I need a little money for the utilities, I don't have enough money for food, etc., etc., etc. Or your camera, CD player, CDs, credit cards or whatever they can grab suspiciously turns up missing moments after they leave. Some of them are indeed honest just as many are not and will milk you for your last dime if you let them. Even the honest ones may not steal, but the RFMs may appear and they all will attempt to break your bank if given the opportunity. It's just the game they play, the way they play it, and the way they are. Once a person truly understands this, you will have the time of your life while in Costa Rica and hopefully not be taken advantage of. Also, as far as "treating them like a gentleman" you totally missed the point here.

Phoenix Rising - great post.

To all,
This is what sparked my reply... do yourself a favor and seek out a documentary called "De Nadie" and you will understand where I was coming from. You ALWAYS have a choice; good, bad, or otherwise.

It's a very powerful documentary!! It will tear your emotions apart, if you have an ounce of humanity. Very disturbing!!!

The chicas will tell you a million sob stories about how difficult they have it and how hard it is for them to survive. That they have to "work" in order to support themselves. But after you see this doc you will see that people do not need to resort to selling themselves in order to survive. You will be haunted by what you see in this film.

It is a shame that this is the world we live in today.



"I'm in love with a whore and I don't even know it." But not anymore. It's a looooooonnnnnnnng story. I've written about 100 pages but need to edit it down before I post my experience with a chica in Costa Rica.

Again, this film really affected me in more ways than one. When I replied to the post I was still reeling from the experience.

"De Nadie"
Documentary DVD:

The impoverished Central Americans who leave their countries in hopes of a better life in the United States have a rough road ahead of them. De Nadie shows how, during their perilous 2500-mile journey through Mexico, they put their last money, dignity, health and life on the line. Mexican filmmaker Tin Dirdamal follows a number of refugees in a South-Mexican refugee centre, from where they hitch illegal rides on freight trains to the northern border. Apart from the Mexican immigration service and police, the illegal aliens are threatened by the security service of the railroad companies, the criminal La Mara Salvatrucha gang and the train itself. 16-year-old Jos from Honduras lost an arm when he fell under a train; young Adolfo witnessed the murder of his parents by La Mara. Protagonist Maria, whose house was destroyed in Hurricane Mitch, barely survived an encounter with the violent gang. Contorted with fear and worries, her face speaks volumes. Director Dirdamal visits Maria's relatives who stayed behind in a Honduran slum. The horror stories of refugees, filmed with a handheld camera, are alternated with interviews with employees of the railroad, the immigration service and a relief organisation, and complemented by factual background information. The only hope along the way comes from a volunteer organisation near the railroad tracks that hands out food to passing refugees, as they board a train towards an uncertain future.

And now back to the originally scheduled program....
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"If I was to live each day as if it was my last I would have been dead a long time ago." - Traylor Park

I tend to agree with TP on this one. Although, I don't feel as strongly. I'm not resentful at their situation. It is; what it is. We, by birth and other events, have had an easier time in life. Most of us have had tons of opportunities. Some we have taken. Some we have missed. I often wonder whether a Del Rey puta, transported into my life at a young age, might have done better than myself. I can think of a few very sharp prostitutes in CR that would probably excel in my field and probably kill me on promotions. Ofcourse, this assumes the field is equal and she had my level of education, good parenting, and such. Food for thought.

Anyway, there may be a few exceptional cases, but not many.

This is what I have read and heard about. I also have experienced this on a personal basis for a very short time period. I should also emphasize that this is true of pure putas and non-prostitutes from all over the world including central america, thailand, china... you name your country. They can't handle America. Its just too dammnnn much!!!

Most are uneducated. Most are lazy by culture and have zero ambition. You bring that shit into America and you may have some serious problems.... especially if you marry her. First and foremost, she will miss her family and her relaxed view of the world. To many foreigners, America is crazy. The pace of everything and the frenzy to get ahead will be dizzying. She will know no one here. She probably won't ever leave the house. Suddenly, your house will become her prison. She might pass time by cleaning and gabbing on the phone with people at home... which will run up your phone bill. Beyond that, she's not doing much else. You might find a diamond in the rough who will go to english school (providing you pay) and make something of a life of herself. But, the chances of this are very small.

Most of us have jobs and don't have the time to take to acclimate a chica to our culture. It, in itself, would be a fulltime job. Most chicas do not know how to drive. So, they are stuck with taxis, buses and trains. The problem is the signs are in ENGLISH usually. Can you imagine a tica trying to navigate her way on the L in Chicago from your house to school during rush hour??? It will be traumatic. Most of them have never left CR or Nicaragua or Panama or wherever and will probably throw in the white towel after the first week.

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I have to say that 2 out of 3 chicas have told us the SAME story about how they are NOT married and tring to provide for thier Ch*ldren.
One girl at ZB Letisha told us she was sending money back to pay for her mothers Operation....Naomi came by with a picture of her K*D saying it was her Birthday next Week and she needed to raise an extra 40.00 to pay for the Bday party the next Sat...So how many Gringos that day "donated extra cash to the K*ds party?

They ALL have a story to tell.

anyone one of these works....(feel free to add your own)....


1.) You can take the puta out of the Hotel Del Rey...

....but you cant take the Hotel Del Rey out of the puta.

2.) You can take the puta out of the gulch...

....but you cant take the gulch out of the puta

3.) You can take the puta off the market....

.....but you cant take the market out of the puta.


At least thats what I've always seen. Hopefully this helps to answer your question.

(BTW, Phoenix Rising, you're post was a CRT instant classic!...lol....have fun with the favorita)

Oh boy...how hypocritical I'm going to sound. But please, do read on... and then make your judgment.

This is going to strike some mongers very deep in their crusty old hearts. As it should. Maybe there's hope for some of us.

Why not: take your $500 or $1000 or $10K that you spend on P4P per year and instead ... ... send it over to the Red Cross or whatever volunteer organization needs the money in the impoverished areas of the world so that young Ch*ldren who become young women don't have to become young prostitutes?

Just as so many chicas lose their hearts and push the guilt so deeply down after so long, so do many mongerers after 5, 10, 20 or 50 visits. That's why, honestly, if I do a gut check, I won't be doing this for very much longer. And yes. I'm a mongerer. But I'm a mongerer with a heart. I think there is a difference.

I'll either quit entirely or marry one. And I'm not naeive nor have I not been around the world nor have I just begun mongering. I'm quite qualified in the understanding of what we do, and what they do, and how we all feel about it.

I just can't go on investing in a dismal future for a woman whose daughter will one day ply the trade that she has first hated but now come to love.

In the end, we're humans. Muy triste, obviamente.

Choice? Si, claro. But choices are sometimes EASIER and HARDER. If I were to put $1000 or $5000 into the hands of an agency who could train, equip and prepare a young girl/woman for the life ahead (with challenges, obviously), she's had THAT MUCH MORE choice to chose against selling her body for sexo. Riddle me that, batmen.

In closing let me say this: I know that many chicas view their johns as Cajero Automaticos, and as they should. If a John is stupid enough to believe love at first sight, then he must pay the stupid tax. However, generalizing and categorizing the women this way, well, pisses me off. While you have your viewpoints and we all have ours, like arseholes, they sometimes stink. And mine may be very smelly. But somethings just smell because their strong, and my opinion won't change on this.

I came down to Costa Rica for wild monkey sex. Not love. I found both. I truly believe that deeply, some women I met felt an attraction for me. But I think the primary difference between someone knowing better and someone believing anything is possible is reality. We all need a reality check.

There are good gringos and bad ones, bad chicas and good ones. I've had the fortune to find a majority of good ones. They treat me exceptionally well, shower me with affection and without question know I can see right through any bull$hit they plan on initiating. That makes it just that more easly.

Maybe it's this:

Chica: Cuantas dias tiene aqui in San Jose? Quantas veces? Este tu primero vez?

Me: Quiero sexo solamente. No novia. Gracias.

And I walk away. Then she comes back with a good price and we both have a clear understanding. I really believe that without prior john/mongering experience and a bit of spanish, they're all going to think they can dupe you easily.

Well, I've said more than my dos colones. Flame away. I've got kevlar undies baby.

My first moral principle concerning my hobby is:
There is nothing wrong with exchanging sex for money.

This first principle co-exists with the following two facts:
1. Most people in our culture think there is something deeply wrong
with exchanging sex for money. Not one of us is going to win
any popularity contest if our mongering secrets become known.
2. Most people in Latin culture think there is something deeply wrong
with the woman who exchanges sex for money. Instead of calling
someone a son of a bitch, they call him "hijo de puta" as the
ultimate insult.

The co-existence of the first moral principle with the two cultural facts
makes for some interesting events. For example, many of the posts in this
thread reveal that the poster has bought into our cultural norm that
there is something wrong with prostitution. I hope that sense of
guilt, however ridiculous, enhances their sex lives somehow.

As for
the chicas, they lack the education and leisure time to escape from
their culture's prejudices. They are the designated scapegoats, and
they struggle to form peer groups who justify what they do in the
face of cultural denunciation. These peer groups of putas posit
principles of puta behavior that serve as counterweights to
general condemnation. In some peer groups, the highest value is
on treating the gringo like a cash machine while manipulating his
loneliness. In other peer groups, the focus is more on everyone
just having a good time and enjoying each other.

The old hands in Costa Rica are correct that the gringo should not
become committed to the puta, but sometimes for the wrong reasons.
Yes, there are the chicas from the first kind of peer group who try to
steal everything the guy has. But relationships don't work with the
good-time, authentically fun-loving ladies either, even though the
chica and the guy really do feel something authentic at the beginning.
Once the chica is removed from her peer group of putas, she feels like a
nothing because she is not guided by any culture: the Latin, the gringo, or
the lost peers who are still hooking down at the Del Rey. She can't
accept the moral principle that there is nothing wrong with
prostitution. She is lost until she goes back to her peer group where
she can laugh and have fun.

My theory can be tested further. We already know that gringo-puta
relationships based on Ozzie and Harriet or on Juan and Juana don't work.
But it seems to me that a guy could develop a realistic and lasting
relationship with a puta if he did not threaten her relationship with
her friends or their little games. My prediction is that she would stick
with the guy through thick and thin as long as the guy provided some
dinero, and that she would tend him in his illness and death. And
she'd mourn him as the love of her life.

To paraphrase: You can take the chica out of her culture, but then
you have someone who thinks she is nobody.

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They have chosen to do what they are doing. No one is putting a gun to their head. Instead they choose to do what they do so it's not a matter of being scapegoats. It's their chosen field of expertise. Instead of going to school or learning English they sell themselves. Some gringos are blind. They want to romanticize their experience so they do the woe is her but woe is not her. Woe is the Babi*s she leaves to do what she does when she chooses to make money instead of spending time with her ninos. No, no scapegoat. Only means to transactions.

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Interesting. What a great observation. I would like to add, less we forget, that an overwhelming feeling of "independence" contributes greatly to the soap opera relationships and lives these chicas experience after gringos throw boat loads of money for a little of the old in and out, with a few besitos in between to wrap you up in their web for the long term investment.

ZeebraWon, good heart felt post. Also with you as far as long term mongering is concerned. I consider myself an accidental monger who may not be into it for the long run. Who knows.

With eight trips under my belt over a short period of time I was able to enjoy a "different" type of experience and along the way met many interesting individuals on both sides of the game. Personally, I enjoy the scene more than the P$P transactions. My wingman invited me to Costa Rica on a mongering expedition on my first and second trip. Later trips I made solo. First time in my life that I traveled alone. If anything it's been great life experience, and as they say wisdom comes from experience not just old age. What's next for me? well, I'm traveloing to Medellin next month as a tourist to explore the country, culture and the Paisas. Will I monger? Maybe, but it's not the purpose of my trip. But things may change once I get there, I may fall in love. Anything is possible, yet there are no guarantees in life with the exeption that one day we will all be dead. Let's enjoy the trip while we can.

I will end it here... "it's all complicated!"
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"If I was to live each day as if it was my last I would have been dead a long time ago." - Traylor Park

Why should they leave the business? Because society frowns on what they do? Big deal! It's a better job than anything else that most of them are qualified to get. They lie to us. So what , we lie to them too. It just goes with the territory. They don't trust us any more than we trust them. Hell, If women were willing to travel to my town from all over the world and pay ME $100 for sex I wouldn't get a "real" job either. ... and I would lie to them when it was in my best interest. Funny thing is ... the avg relationship I have with a girl in the gulch is still a more honest than with any gringa that I can recall. I leave feelingscrewed in a good way as opposed to just being screwed over.

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Good question. Why should they leave the business??? Its high season and the girls in Jaco are claiming to make between $300-600 PER DAY lately. DO THE MATH!!!!! If they work 6 months and 5 days per week, they can make $72K. I'll admit it is probably more like $30-40K. However, this is only 6 months. In a year, it is possible for them to make upwards of $100K. Keep in mind, this is tax-free income, so it is more like $140K or so. This is the high end of the scale, but I KNOW SEVERAL CHICAS who make this kind of money. I can list about a half dozen girls who easily make over $100K per year.

Think about it - This is more than most gringo tourists make in America!!! So, why do guys feel so sorry for them?

They are not all miserable. They make more money than just about anybody in their country. Many are irresponsbile, lazy, and poor decision makers. Its important for us to remember that their GREED keeps them in the business. They get a taste of easy money. Greed kicks in and forget it. It becomes an addiction. As with many addictions, come other bad things, such as THIEVERY, deceitfulness, denial and delusion. I have seen all of this SHIT happen with these girls.

The more time I spend in this country, the more I tend to stay away from the independents. They are just bad news, overpriced and in some cases a complete waste of money. If I need to get a nut off, and my GF is not around, I'll just hit an MP or a strip bar. Its as honest as it gets and it is a VERY REASONABLE price.

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Mainly ONE reason they leave the business is simply when it PAYS to! They catch a big enough rewarding ($$$$$$$$) idiot they will leave & most return unhappy from what I have seen. Put simply it is hard to polish a turd & the truth & unhappiness soon surfaces once they leave what they have always known & become comfortable with. Always exceptions to the generalities we throw around but it is better to expect the norm of what will happen. Smart men in my book just enjoy the ride & what is offered. Once they are taken out of their known comfort zone & environment things general soon change & generally NOT for the better . There is soon the law of diminishing returns for these types of sex working Latinas & that is as they age they are faced with their diminishing looks & the hot new ones coming on line. So soon they have to except less or generally nothing at all IMHO.

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Spunk glazed Chicas are the building blocks of the universe!

Hmm, there seem to be a few stones cast by a crowd who would be on the receiving end of those stones for whore-mongering, by a majority of the population in the United States. You guys gotta be kiddin' me! Pardon my French, but who the phuck are you?

Everybody whores! Everybody! It's called "selling" when you know it's not real. Nobody here's done that? The used car salesman who stakes his integrity on a piece of shit, even though he knows better? The doc who takes advantage of his patient's insecurity and orders more tests than necessary? The art teacher who leads a student to think he can be another Monet, because numbers are needed in the class? The musician who plays tunes that makes him want to puke, but does it with a smile? It's all whoring. So some women use their bodies. Big whoop. Get over it. Get off the puritanical crap. It's the wrong board.

Some girls take it hard, and others could give a shit what you think or anybody else. I remember one Pan I met in CR. I saw her on several trips. Next thing I knew she popped up on MSN, was living in Spain with a guy she met out of the gulch, and told me she thanked god every day he took her to Spain. I wished her luck and told her I'd never write her again. I knew another girl in Miami 10 years ago. Since then she's been married for 8 years. She said her past is like a distant memory - a lifetime ago and a world away. She doesn't have any shame. Not one spec.

The original question was do ticas ever really stop? They do if they feel like it and if an opportunity comes up. Should you marry one? Who the phuck knows? I married two non's and divorced both their asses. They never hooked and they had plenty of hang-ups. And lord knows I've had my share.

Those who cast stones, generalize, and make grandiose proclamations based on some bummer experiences they've had, must be perfect and have a lot of time on their hands. Opinions are fine, but unless you can live in someone else's head, you really don't know squat. With an over 50% divorce rate in this country, and a high percentage of those who remain married being unhappy, it's laughable to entertain lifelong bliss with any girl. This is just an exercise to attack the very girls whore-mongers depend on.

Now there's an interesting sociological study for ya.

Jazz

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"Don't never trust a woman, till she's dead and deep....One day she'll say she loves you, next day she'll throw you on the street."

"...and if men didn't have this unquenchable desire to have sex with women, then they wouldn't have anything to do with women at all. I certainly wouldn't..."

Well we all maybe "whores" as life is a whoring experience but some of us whores have a stable methodical plan with a definite direction we chose while others are unstable, helter-skelter aimless wanders that never seem to find happiness as they seek to live off others. Maybe one is no better than the other but I for one am happy to be happy following my own direction of my choosing where I can chose my time & place to be the male slut that I am !

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"Run silent, run deep"
Spunk glazed Chicas are the building blocks of the universe!

True, SOME can make good money for awile, maybe even into their 30s but what happens to them then? They better make plans for the future, whether it's saving some money or finding somone to take them away from "the life" or the work, smoke, booze or drugs will get the better of them.

If I stopped working I'd be in serious financial trouble in about 2 months but at least I have a 401(k) and a skill that I can use into my 60s.

Everything is relative but using your body to make a living, whether it be as a professional athlete or working girl, will eventually take its toll.

Wit