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D2864:

The DNA test on the baby can be done before birth. The law that was passed a few years ago, as I understand it, specifically requires that the male accused provide...at his own expense...a DNA test or he is automatically guilty. My understanding is that the male is responsible for paying for both sides of the test...baby and father.

FYI, I had a friend who lived in CR and made very little money. He was Costa Rican by birth and had lived in the US for 20 years before returning to CR. He had been married 9 times in CR and divorced 8 times...with many K*ds. He was placed in jail several times during the year that I knew him. If he was 3 days late on a Ch*ld support payment, one of the mom's went to the police and he was in jail by the next day.

This is not something to mess with.
CRFan

CRFan: Do you have a link to the law? I'd like to send the link to a friend who is fluent in Espanol to read.

I can't see the police taking a hooker serious enough to enforce the law on anyone. I can't see even non-hookers being allowed to accuse as many guys as she likes that he is the father and thus forcing each of them to pay for the DNA test. If it is this easy.... WOW, because gringas don't have it this easy in America so just wondering how chicas acquired so much power in a country where men run the show. There isn't ANY sense of fairness in such a law. What if the guy has no money? Like TP brought up, what if he can't afford 5000$$ and what if he can't afford to pay for 2 DNA tests in a country where they make 400 a month? The law doesn't make sense to me.... he is AUTOMATICALLY GUILTY, it is automatically his baby if he doesn't pay (whether he can or can't pay).

Why are all these chicas working the HDR and etc. to support their Babi*s if CR is so tough on support? I've actually heard the exact opposite - CR is very lacks concerning support OVERALL, but it seems everyone points to that ONE case where CR actually took some action. Look around the HDR and like places - there's more than a thousand cases where CR took no action.

If this law is for real - no man should go to CR and all the men in CR should leave the country.

Again, too much credit given to a country that can't even collect property taxes year after year and instead they just wait until the property changes ownership.

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D2864 -

Damn! You sure ask all the right questions. I also want answers to all your questions as well.

Great observation... Why are there so many chicas working if all they had to do was call the cops to have the non-paying Ticos arrested? And if the Tico is in jail the next day after a chica calls... how can a Tico make any money if he is spending all this time in jail?

Great questions that need answers!!

Thirdworld -

You would be surprised how easy it is for chicas to find out information on a gringo they met at HDR and took her back to his room. On many occasions while staying at the Presidente I was surprised when chicas would call me up in my room and know my first and last name, which i did not tell them. I think all they have to do is pick up the phone call the hotel and make up whatever story and get through to you will more info about you then you gave them.

Would you get on the first plane if some chica accused you of impregnating her?

So any chica can just point a finger and accuse a gringo. Why don't all the chicas do this for easy extortion money? It seems to me that this would be far a easier way to make money besides sleeping with drunk gringos every night.

Ok. Now who has ANSWERS to these questions?

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"i'm in love with a whore and i don't even know it." - Traylor Park

I was wondering how the chica got your number? Forget for now about whether the baby (if there even is a baby) is yours, or whether she can force you to pay for a drug test, or other CR laws relating to Ch*ld support, etc. Of course, as you all know, I could expound on those subjects at great length. But others have covered most of the key points and angles in various ways. I'd like to discuss a side issue. How did she track you down?

This shows why it is wisest not to give out too much personal information or at least any that can lead her back to you when you don't want it. A disposable e-mail address is one thing, but a personal phone number ? Of course, if you didn't give it out and she still managed to find it out that is another matter. The hotel front desks, especially the front desk of a hotel that caters so heavily to mongers, should know better than to give out any personal information on their guests of that sort. Of course, chicas can always lie and we know how good they can be about wrapping susceptible men around their little fingers.

With all this talk about the CR paternity laws and how well they are or are not enforced maybe they should consider some laws about this latter matter. There's a term for it. Its called pre-texting. You might have heard about it since its been in the news a lot lately. It even got a certain gringa, HP's Chairwomen Patrica Dunn, into a lot of hot water. I know it will never happen in CR, but I think it makes an interesting point in light of what's been going on lately back at home.

Rather than just speak anecdotally on the main matter at hand, I'll offer some links you can read and decide upon yourselves:
http://american-european.net/blogs/costa-rica-news/2006/02/21/dna-paternity-tests-300-in-2006-82-positive/
not sure exactly how you navigate to it but the CR law database can be found at
http://www.pgr.go.cr/scij/
I got a bad link for the family code law subsection, but maybe you can figure that out too or its just down temporarily:
http://www.pgr.go.cr/leyes-usuales/Ley%20N%205476%20Codigo%20de%20Familia.htm
about 3/4 down the page:
http://www.amcostarica.com/012403.htm

I wouldn't leave, I would just go underground for a while. I go for whole months without going out. Might have to get a haircut. The long hair kind of marks me with chicas. Easy to remember me by. Hope I never have to deal with that one. If I did it would be just my luck that it would have been one of the beasts I picked up when I was hammered.

D2864,

ACT no. 8101 of the RESPONSIBLE PATERNITY ACT was passed in CR in April, 2001. I believe there was also an addition in 2003.

Just do a search for "Responsible Paternity" and "Costa Rica"...you'll have enough to keep you busy for a while. It looks like I was wrong about the suspected father having to pay for the DNA test. Looks like the state covers that...or maybe it was changed in the 2003 revision...not sure.

I no longer live in CR and did my research 2 years ago. I believe a lot of the info was in Roger Petersen's book...The Legal Guide to Costa Rica.
http://www.costaricalaw.com/
http://www.costaricalaw.com/legalnet/codigocivil.htm
http://www.nyulawglobal.org/globalex/costa_rica.htm

Here are a couple of links.


http://www.plastic.com/article.html;sid ... 7/05265488
Naming Names In Costa Rica — Paternity Simplified
found on LA Times written by ms_sue_collins, edited by Humberto(Plastic)

"Since March 2001, all a mother has to do is name the father of her Ch*ld in a process that begins in the hospital after delivery. The man is then asked to submit to a DNA test, at no charge to him. If he declines, he is assumed to be the father and must pay Ch*ld support. This simplified approach to determining paternity is a dramatic departure from the country's former system, which was similar to those in the U.S. and most Western countries, requiring lengthy court hearings and significant legal fees."

"Opponents of the new law cite the high cost of lab tests, an estimated $700,000 out of the country's annual $2 billion budget and object that only women can force DNA tests. Also, if a man denies paternity, he automatically gives up his rights, such as visitation but still must pay Ch*ld support., Proponents hail the new law as empowering women. Ibelis Velazco, a women's rights lawyer who is widely regarded as the mother of the new law, said the debate over it 'helped women realize their rights.' Significantly, Ch*ldren who have a father listed in the nation's registry automatically receive rights to inheritance, social security benefits, and Ch*ld support. Costa Rican officials also hope that the new law will make men more more responsible about birth control and perhaps persuade them to be better fathers. "


http://american-european.net/blogs/cost ... -positive/

Costa Rica’s Paternity law, passed in 2003, has resulted in an increase every year of DNA based paternity testing.

Edna Meléndez, head of the DNA lab, said that in 2005 there were 1.600 DNA tests and confirmed that 82 per cent were positive. This means that nearly 20% of the mothers did not know who the father was or lied to the Civil Registry about the identity of the father.

Under the law, the unwed mother declares at birth who the father of the Ch*ld is. In cases where the father may not recognize the Ch*ld as his, the civil registry will investigate. They notify the father who has 10 working days to accept or deny paternity. If he does not answer the registry will assume that he is the father and proceed with registering the birth of the Ch*ld. If the father reports to the registry that he is not the father, then the Registry will give an appoint to the father, mother and Ch*ld the DNA testing laboratory. If the named father does not appear at the appointment, then the Registry will again assume paternity.
The same paternity law increased the father’s responsibilities for
Ch*ld support and the ability of the public institutions to enforce support. Every year the total of DNA tests has risen, according to officials due to more awareness of the law.

Stay out of costa rica if you think she is preg with your baby.

I know of a chica who works the del rey who name for sake will call her Michelle she got three gringos to send her 750 each for an abortion. another two are sending her money every month while another who comes every other month and sending her money is going to marry her. These chicas are schooled in how to squeeze as much money out of a gringo that they can.

In answer to your question of a good attorney who speaks english is Ronald Rojas 506 231 0596

If your going to live with a tica have him prepair a pre nuptial and co habitation agreement. he then files it with the gov and the tica cant touch anything you have unless you knock her up

GET FIXED

Honest to God! I was fixed yesterday (didn't hurt) and feel great about it today.

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Prolijo and CRFan - thanks for the links. I've not had time to read up on this yet.

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That's the world on the street... and behind every lie there is some truth to be found.

What are the pros and cons one could look forward to after nine months?

If a chica wants to point the finger at you as being the father of her baby at what point can she do so? Afer missing her first period? After the pregnancy test comes back positive? Or after the Ch*ld is born and she puts your name down on the birth certificate?

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"i'm in love with a whore and i don't even know it." Traylor Park

Hate to rain on your parade, BUT. If in fact, she is pregnant and, if in fact it was with your little wiggly fellows, and if in fact, she can identify you. Well then it won't matter if you are in CR or the US. The US signed a treaty with CR agreeing to enforce any Ch*ld support ordered by a CR court.

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"Since March 2001, all a mother has to do is name the father of her Ch*ld in a process that begins in the hospital after delivery."

TP, read my most recent post above. The process is described in some detail.
CRFan

If they can't notify the "father," because they can't find him, I guess the 10 days starts when they can notify him?

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It does appear as they have laws in place, but I'm still not convinced that they are aggressively enforcing them. I'm sure that as time moves forward and CR gets its own "womens" empowerment movement going as more chicas get educated, things will change. Brazil has very strong laws pertaining to support and they do enforce the laws so CR will likely get to where Brazil is today. (I have a lot of friends from Brazil - men shake in their shoes over Ch*ld support from what I'm told.)

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D2864...You're quite the wishful thinker. Just read the next couple of sentences rather than guessing.

"They notify the father who has 10 working days to accept or deny paternity. If he does not answer the registry will assume that he is the father and proceed with registering the birth of the Ch*ld. If the father reports to the registry that he is not the father, then the Registry will give an appoint to the father, mother and Ch*ld the DNA testing laboratory. If the named father does not appear at the appointment, then the Registry will again assume paternity."

Under the law, paternity is assumed as per statement of mother unless proved wrong via dna test. Lack of response by claimed father is a YES...not a NO and not a "wait a while."

Regarding your other comments of enforcement...no problem...just don't respond to a claim and then report back to us to let us know if it's enforced or not.

CRFan: It says "they notify the father who has 10 working days to accept or deny paternity." My question is, what if they can not notify the named father? It seems they can't start the 10 days until the named has actually been notified.

It goes on to say: "If the father reports to the registry..." and "If the named father does not appear at the appointment..." and "Lack of response by claimed..."

The 3 statements imply that the father has been notified so no problem there, but it wouldn't be fair to start the 10 days if they can't notify me that I've been named. If named and then notified, I'd have no problem submitting to a DNA test, but don't perminently name me the father without notifying me. See where I'm coming from now?

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Just ask any ticos about " pension" next time you're in town. Like I said, the only thing , from what I have seen so far, is that the CR policia is great at getting the tico who is behind on " pension ' or as we say, Ch*ld support.

Tica simply needs to go to the police station ( in the cases outside San Jose ) to file her case, and if the whereabout of the father is known, policia will be on their way.

May be it's news to some, ticos in general have lots of bebe with different mujeres, it is not uncommon for them to have " pension ' payable to more than 2 mujeres with their bebe. Escape within the country works, but unless the father works for cash for life or changes identity, in the end they will have to settle, or go to the shit hole.

It's crazy, but it's Costa Rica. Sure it doesn't make sense, as asked before : if you throw the guy in jail how the fu ck can he pay the wife ?
But hey, that's the way it works in CR. I stopped asking why a long time. Cr is Cr, very different.

Mind you, I don't think all ticas are scheming bad seeds, but there are a lot of lazy ticas out there trying to get some colon that way.

Make sure that's really your bebe if it ever happens.