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Ok after reading Bilko & Paco's posts what do we conclude?

1. Latinos knock up the younger poor Latinas=More pregnancies=more poverty & people so more fresh young breeding stock for the Latinos since age is not a factor. This helps keep the prices down.
2. Non use of condoms & birth control by the Catholic Religion= more poverty & people so increasing fresh breeding stock.
3. Non use of condoms & birth control by the Catholic Religion=more poverty & larger population to increase their power base.

No wonder these Latinas ask me to go bareback at times ? Maybe these Ticos & Religious ideas are smarter than we think. Maybe it is not all an accident after all & is a master plan. Wow could be a conspiracy?

What is so ironic about this thread is even with all the crap these Latinas deal with they truly seem much happier too me than a gringa that has it all going her way. What gives ?

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There are a few who have multiple customers per day but many more have one or none some days. Some really try to give the next generation a good private school education so things will get better. That takes money and they have one primary way to get that much money. I admire those.

As to all being happy or happier than gringas, I think that is generally true. However I know one who was on meds for depression and had to stop and basically tough it out to be able to work and take care of her ninos. I admire her also.

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I can't let this go without saying... YES! You nailed it Tman and in so few words... amazing.

And I wish all of you guys would get this: "Wherever you go, there you are".

If you got it, you would not complain as much about gringas because like Tman said.... "And believe me, testimonies are numerous on this board that the tastes and wants of Latinas change quickly if you take them to gringaland." Latinas become gringas so they aren't any different.... "Wherever you go, there you are".

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To repeat what I said many posts back, I have nothing against Gringas as people and have lots of female friends. I know lots of Latina Gringas who are absolutely no different than their paler friends. Gringas are spoiled and so are Gringos. The reason I am down here is that I am, relatively, a much more attractive guy down here, even if there were no p4p going on.

To agree with the previous post, I am much higher on the pecking order here than back home. Back home I'm not much of a catch to any woman under 50. Here I'm hot shit to teenagers.

But yeah, anyway, my point is that I can't blame Gringas for getting the most out of whatever assets they have in life, just as I don't blame myself for coming down here and getting a lot more mileage out of my modest finances.

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I suppose if you bring them here and give them everything that glitters. In my town there are hundreds of grateful, humble hard working, unspoiled latinas who have been here for years and don't act one iota like a stinkin' gringa. They seem as sweet and friendly as the chicas I've met in Costa Rica. I have personally never seen one acting like a bitch in public. Seems to me that they appreciate the opportunity to live the American dream just like many of the Asians that come over here. I know this dosen't apply to all of them, but the ones I have been around haven't changed much just because they have a little money in thier pockets. I'm also sure that many of them have sold thier bodies in the past before coming over here. Not having to do so is a pretty damn good reason for a girl to want to come here in the first place.It dosen't surprise me at all. One intersting thing though... Most are very shy when it comes to speaking to American men. They don't appear to have this lust for us that I had always heard about. Atleast where I'm from, These girls mostly date & marry thier own kind.

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They date and marry their own kind, because culture is a powerful element as well they don't speak any or much english so this is intimidating and they don't act up because many of them are illegal and so they don't want to call attention to themselves. I'm in NorCal and there aren't just a few Latinas and a few Asians, there are millions. Twenty two year olds don't date 50 year olds guys either. The illegal immigrants ARE different from the legal and english speaking immigrants. They have their reasons for being different. It is difficult to sum up the differences and the reason for the differences, but living in places like California, New Mexico, Arizona helps to understand the differences. I know without a doubt that legal engish-speaking Latinas are absolutely no different than their gringa peers. I know without a doubt that illegal limited english-speaking Latinas are different than their gringa peer, however for many reasons it isn't even a fair comparison.

Bilko... good post... very logical.

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Before and since living in Latin America, I have had considerable experience with stateside Latinos/Latinas. They ARE different than when they are in their own country. While you would have to be inside their skin to know all the reasons, some of my experiences and reading on this situation has been:

-Legal immigrants still tend to stay together in community...as a minority. Therefore, they are more guarded and reserved than they would be in their own country. Their traditions of family and cultural behaviors are retained even in the USA and they dont easily "integrate" into WASP culture in the USA. Sure, you see the teens all wearing US style hip clothes and listening to our music, but at their core, they are still latinos or otherwise.

-Legal or illegal Latin immigrants are still looked down upon by white establishment. Sorry to bring up the race issue so much, but while not as in your face as it was mid century, there are still very obvious signs of racism and attitudes towards "otherness". Just hang around a city elementary school that is integrated sometime, and you will see these behaviors learned from a very early age. While initially K*ds will play together, they still notice and mimic comments and behaviors learned from the adults in their homes. Where else do they learn inflammatory words and epitaphs? Wop, Spic, Nigger, jewboy...all these originally came from the mouths of adults.

-The differences between haves and have nots are MORE evident in the USA than outside. Therefore, the barrier between races and classes are that much more evident than in emerging Latin countries. I'm not saying ALL of this is bad, as when I lived in Chicago I really liked the diversity of neighborhoods where you could go to Chinatown or Little Mexico and feel like you were almost in their countries. The clustering of cultures with their ethnic restaurants and stores is an introduction to what they are about in their own countries. But still, these neighborhoods also exist in the conscious/sub-conscious...and therein people dont always mix much in the melting pot which is America.

-Finally, Latinos who make it to the USA in general want to make it on their own and dont want to blend with gringos. They want the security, money and jobs that America offers, but most of them dont want to become "gringos". Therefore, parents in the USA are more controlling and look down upon their Ch*ldren dating gringos than they would in their own countries. They are truly fighting for their own identities, and they are very careful about what gringos they allow in to their lives and families. In the parks and neighborhoods of America, you see very few integrated picnics and outings. It tends to be blacks, Latins, Asians, or Muslim/Arabs grouping together. And you also see this with many expats who move to Mexico, Costa Rica or Panama. They have their own organizations, neighborhoods and social circles...and most never integrate in the foreign cultures or hardly learn the local language. I have met many expats in these countries who have been there 20+ years and still speak hardly any Spanish. So we really have no room to criticize latinos in USA who dont speak English. To have a double standard is part of racism.

OK...over and out. Back to work.

I have a contrasting, but complementary view...

If you all think the wages in CR are bad, try China. The average wage in China is between $1.50 and $6 per day. Yes... you can get breakfast for about 30 cents here. But, how do they do it? Their communist government DOES NOT provide free healthcare. It is cash on the spot. The people have to pay for their education. The only thing they are guaranteed is housing and a job. BTW... I saw a guy eating rotten eggs out of a garbage can the other day. Ever wonder why there are so many Chinese immigrants in CR? Well... now you have the answer.

Yeah... the labor market in CR is pretty tough and bleak... relative to us... but its much worse in other countries. If you think China sounds bad, try North Korea. I'm about 3 hours away by car and hear absolute horror stories. People in N Korea are dying from starvation daily, hourly... people are resorting to cannabalism.... you name it. Life in N Korea is EXTREMELY hard. When I hear locals tell me the stories of Korea... I almost breakdown.

One's standard of living is all relative. We, in North America, just don't realize how poor the rest of the world really is.[/quote]

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Maybe in other states there might be a racial element, but not in California.

Race is actually a minor factor when it comes to K*ds. I've seen first hand in the schools where during lunch filopino K*ds hang with filopinos, chinese K*ds hang with chinese K*ds, black K*ds hang with black K*ds and white K*ds hang with white K*ds.

To me, it is food, culture, language and all the life experiences around these 3 things that separate us way more than the color of ones skin. What's in your lunchbox? YUCK! You aren't going to hear YUCK if you are dealing with your own culture. You aren't going to have to explain that your parents don't know English or not very much English. Black people, though they speak English, speak in terms that they've grown up using so the comfort level is there. When you are dealing with your own culture there are a lot of things you don't have to explain to others and this has to be more comforting than having to explain away why you, your sister, your brother, mother, father, cousins, grandparents are the way they are. Often, people take the path of least resistance in life and dealing with what you know is taking the path of least resistance.

Race could be a issue where there are few minorities in a community though race alone is not the only issue even in these communities. Much of the time, people are just afraid of the unknown, afraid to reach out and this comes from both sides of the fence.

Chris Rock once said that white people aren't racist, they just don't like POOR people! He went on to say that MJ, Oprah, Micheal Jackson, T Woods had plenty of white friends.... OJ too. He hit the nail on the head, because when black people (professional black people, not rappers!) are successful, they aren't hanging out in poor neighborhoods and they aren't living in them either and they don't drive to poor neighborhoods for an after work drink.

So, add money to the list: culture, language, food and money.

Sorry Tman, I just don't like to base so much of why things are the way they are on race. To me, race is just the tip of the iceberg and when race is a factor isn't always necessarily white on "whatever" racism.

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I agree...money is a bigger barrier than race between people:wink: . The lines of neighborhoods, schools and churches are driven more by economics than race. BUT...ones perception of ones race in comparison to others is a huge factor in how we relate to others and perceive ourselves.

Along these lines...a couple more observations:

- Some of the unhappiest and most frustrated people I know are the richest...and vice versa

- People WITH money would do well to spend more time working with people who have less...not GIVING away their money...but teaching less advantaged how to step up in their knowledge and abilities to grow economically and otherwise. This isnt about JUST giving jobs...but getting along side people socially and culturally,,,if only to appreciate more what they have.

- Government and taxes are not a great solution for fixing any of these...or other...problems. Its about communities and relationships.

- If our eyes and minds are open, we are learning alot about these things with our Latin American travels...

some of them do use the money they get from us to
invest in their future.

MARY the blanco dominican from santo domingo -young with braces
light brown hair- has already built her 2 family home in the dominican.
Now she is working to buy a generator for it i'm sure, etc...


I'm also sure lina has her house paid of in medellin by now-
Medellin's major concern, shared by many other Colombian cities, is the ongoing unemployment and sub-employment problem.

Many of us i'm sure in are still renting in metro areas in US

[quote="Tequila"]There are a few who have multiple customers per day but many more have one or none some days. Some really try to give the next generation a good private school education so things will get better. That takes money and they have one primary way to get that much money. I admire those.

I have had a few girls tell me it costs $1200.00 US to pay one yrs tuition at school for a Ch*ld in CR. That is not college either.

When those girls lips are a moven!
A good friend of mine works at one of the most prestigious private schools in CR. Fee is 70,000 colones (US$35) per month by my recolection...I'll ask her to confirm.

70k colones is 140.00 dollars not 35.00

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My son is in a private school. His tuition yearly is about 3k. The very very elite schools here are under 7k.