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This is an interesting subject and it was something I was thinking about today. You have to understand the culture these chicas live in to understand why so many chicas "allow" themselves to get pregnant. And as I was thinking about this I thought about all the gringas I know who got abortions in high school. I grew up in an Irish-German neighborhood and everyone went to Catholic school, this includes all the "good" girls. I think there is something to be said about gringas having abortions and chicas having bebes. I know gringas who had multiple abortions and when they finally got married they had the lavish white wedding. Think about how many gringas with Babi*s there would be in the states if abortion was illegal.

something to ponder.

All too true. The thing to remember here is their age! Don't forget this part. Didn't we all do stupid stuff at this age? Hell I still do stupid things now but the difference is once you make a little one in babyy, ah HUSTON WE HAVE A PROBLEM !

Also the one I tried to help with College always wanted me to shoot it in her bareback??? Wonder why??? Needless to say I never did this ever for the 3 years I tried to guide her life with meaningful caring direction. I just wanted her to earn her own true freedom. I saw her last trip & I swear she is preggy & it is not mine. She is 22 now so why did she do this? I know I can't ever figure this out why she would do this when she knows how 1 little one put her behind the 8 ball. I figure it is special delivery from her main supporter & that was never me. I confronted her about the fact she has either major hormone problems or is pregnant. She hit me laughing & said I am not & you are crazy. Believe me I understand human anatomy & physiology more than she does !

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[/quote]TP, that would be a nice script for a "novela". In the real world, those innocent girls get pregnant because they do not listen to their parents. Protecting our daughters is an integral part of our machismo, but nobody is going to kick somebody ass because our little darling decided, against our advise, to open her legs for the horny guy next door.[/quote]

I have good news for you my firiend.... not one but three novelas have been created regarding the scene TP so eloquently talked about.

I know because a very long time ago I was forced to watch them on TV because my parents wouldn't tune in on anything else.

I sometimes wonder what will happen in this regards when I eventually move to CR... will I remain a monger or will I end up sheltering a sweet young Tica (Bebè included) who will keep me young at heart, soul, and sexually satisfied in return of the security and stability my US $$$'s income can provide. I know this could fall under the heading of another thread, but the more I think about it the more sense it makes...

After all... isn't that exactly how we have been trained to treat the American woman? And they in turn STILL DO NOT know how appreciate it!

But, this is just my dos centavos.... YMMV

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TP -

I don't know how, but you always seem to bring out the best (or worse) variety of "opinions"....

Sorry my friend... "hay personas en este mundo que no comprenden ò entienden que las opiniones son variadas y no necesariamente una regla por la cual todos tenemos que vivir".

Translation:

"There are people in this world who do not understand or realize that opinions are varied and not necessarily a rule by which everyone has to life by".

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I love it when Muffy gets all philo on us! sniff sniff

T.P., this is a brilliant thread, thank you for thoughtfully launching it.

I am now going to say something that will piss off 90% of those who read it.

If these chicas have lives which are fraught with pain and problems, our participation in this hobby itself helps perpetuate their problems.

If her family is leeching, we supply the blood.

If she's addicted, we provide her fix.

If she has numerous offspring, our support by extension of her baby is in itself a barrier to her taking responsibility for limiting procreation.

If we were not part of the solution, we would not be part of the perpetuation of the problem, because whatever small support we may give her will not completely solve the problem. Furthermore, she wouldn't want us to solve her problem.

If these ladies were serious about getting out and moving up, stories such as Zippy's would not be so common. Am I saying that Latinas are lazy? Hell no. I'm neither that ignorant nor bigoted. However, the poor in our world often see no real way out, so they fail to save when extra cash comes in, fail to educate themselves, fail to move on and move up, even when helping hands are extended.

What is the sound of one hand clapping, and if a tree fell in the forest...? If we were not there with our dollars, renting pu$sy, would the problems continue? Certainly. However, how much of what we do perpetuates the problems in these chicas' lives?

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BRAVO!!!

Muffdiver

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El Ciego,

BOY I AM PISSED! Here are some emotional icons for your speech synthesizer to choke on. Just kidding. You always have good points & no one should get upset by your post I would hope.
I would think this is a double edge sword. What we offer them is a tool. How they choose to use it is up to them(sorry about the pun it was an accident). Without us they have one less option & one less tool to use to get out. If we were not there my guess is the largest percentage of them would have to lower themselves to the going rate of the Tico market. If I was one of them I would use it to get a higher education & try to get a job with a foreign firm with my expertise to earn a Gringo type of salary. It can be done I have seen it before. Will most go the path of least resistance & never get out? YOU BET! They are all to human & are unwilling to do what it takes.

I never had the luxury of someone taking my hand & guiding me to greener pastures but I made the best of what I had. Even taking some of the best worthy of helping it is a tough task. Most just don't have what it takes or don't believe in themself which is understandable. Life is tough & it is survival of the strongest, smartest & most fit in the end. Gods rules not mine.

Just some thoughts that maybe wrong!

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Yes, much has been written about this topic on this Board. I'm sure most of us know at least one chica who strikes a sympathetic chord in our hearts. I sense that many of us are basically good guys who want to be Don Juan, Don Quixote and Baron von Munchausen all rolled into one. In CR, we can come very close to achieving this collective fantasy for a few days or even weeks, but when we board the plane for home...it's back to the same old existence we left behind.

Some of us may possess the resources and/or motivation to attempt a long-distance, remote-controlled romance. More power to you...and good luck! Speaking for myself, I have neither. When I leave for Costa Rica, I try to leave my problems behind...put on my best game face...and enjoy myself when I arrive. Although, I have heard numerous heartwrenching stories from some lovely chicas and try to remain sympathetic, I know that I must not get sucked into another human being's problems without being prepared to pay the consequences. I have my hands full just taking care of myself...preparing for retirement, doing my job, paying my bills, etc. I am not yet in a point in my life where I am able to enter into a successful long-distance relationship.

A while back, I met a sweet young lady who has four k*ds and a sick mother to care for. This woman is very talented, diligent, smart and passionate. I had helped her out in the past with a little money. As somebody else in this thread mentioned, I tried to guide her into channeling her skills into making a better life for herself and her family. I believe my little friend comprehended what I was saying, yet, whenever I returned to CR, all she wanted to hear was that I was her novio and how I intended to support her long-term needs. I tried to gradually break off the relationship before resorting to explaining the cold hard facts. Yes, it was heartbreaking...but, in the end, it was probably the best move for me and her.

Perhaps, when I am retired and living 24/7 in CR, I will be in a much better position to find and take care of "Senorita Right" in a manner that both of us deserve. Until that time arrives, I am just another mongerer in CR. Pura vida, mi amigos!

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Pura Vida...enjoying life to the fullest...

Some things in life are so complicated yet so simple. Sometimes it can be summarized in one or two phrases. For me alot of this discussion can be summarized with the saying...one of my fovorites..."wherever you go, there you are". To extrapolate a little, we go to CR and other monger destinations to get away from our realities for a while...and enjoy another culture, their women, their morals, etc for a change of pace. Yet, when we come home, we havent really changed that much outside of realizing the differences between our lives...and realizing we are all captives of our upbrining, nationalities, races and religions. Moving to and living in CR 4 years didnt make me a Tico. I never got used to a lot of that culture, and in the end decided it was NOT where I wanted to live long term. Panama, who knows? And if you take these Latina working girls to the USA to "rescue them", while they may take on the image and lifestyle of a gringa in short time...they are still latina and see themselves as whores. In their subconscious, in my opinion, they will never get away from that...no more than I can say I am no longer a "gringo"...or a "monger".

I have known Latinos who have lived all their lives in the USA...but outside of wearing the cloths and adopting many "hip" english phrases...they will never be White Anglo Saxons...in word or deed. And while I have tried, I can never go to the Black Urban inner city and tell my black brothers there "I know how you feel". This life is just full of barriers. It's cool to try and overcome them or understand them...but I have decided at least in this life, we will never change them.

Ah, this is heavy...tires me out...gotta go to bed. Good night.

Deleted by the real Muffdiver...

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Tman, my good friend, in the almost 3 years I've had the pleasure to know you I've never had reason to disagree with you.....until today.

Most of what you posted made good sense but I have to disagree when you say "they never change". Culture, race or religion are not the same as a job whether it is driving a taxi, working in a department store or working as a prostitute.

I've been a programmer for 25 years but that's just my job, it's not who I am. For the right opportunity (like winnning the lottery) I could walk away from it tomorrow. Just because a girl works in "the business" does not mean she will never be anything else. Yes, it might have some long-term repercussions but if she leaves the life and finds a better alternative I would like to think she could leave it behind and become a useful member of society.

Of course there are always execeptions but on a bell curve there will be just as many (if not more) that will choose to get out of the business.

It might be all consuming for some but for many others I believe it does not define them inside, at their very core. It still is not who they are.

That will become even more acute once they realize that they can't do that forever. Of course if they've made no plans for their future or have become too jaded to actually find someone to settle down with then they will live a most unhappy life. Their young daughters join the family business (working at the HDR) and the cycle continues.

But I still contend that if they are given a chance before too much damage has been done to their psyche and self-esteem there are still many who can move on with their lives.

At least that's the dream I cling to but then I'm rather naive sometimes.

Wit
PS. Muffy, way to keep an open mind.

Wit...I appreciate the response and difference of opinion. We always enjoy our conversations after all .

Let me clarify a couple things. First, I'm not saying a prostitute CANT change, nor a thief, nor a liar. Unfortunately my life experience has told me the TENDENCY is for people NOT to change. They might be able to do so short term, or put on a facade that they have changed. But once a liar, theif, or prostitute has crossed that line of decision and moral rationalization, it becomes a tendency or inclination that when faced with similar situations or temptation, will be hard not to pursue in action. While I appreciate your gentle and caring nature my friend, I do hope you will spend your relational energies on someone who is NOT a pro working girl. You are just taking on a huge task by choice that in my opinion is not neccessary. I think if my Colombiana had been a pro sexual worker, she would not be the person she is...and I would have a hard time trusting and being with her in the long haul.

While my comments may have seemed harsh or judgemental, I didnt mean it so. I have a heart for these girls and have given some of them money without one ounce of sexual service required. I have loaned a couple of them money that has been repayed. So their morals can be fine in that department...though I still never COUNT on getting repaid in that culture. But I also dont lie to them and tell them maybe we have a future together...because it just aint so in my way of thinking.

In summary, I think most guys with money, intelligence, and reasonable looks and personality can find a nice regular WOMAN to have a long term relationship with. You dont have to settle for hookers, drug addicts, theives, or other combinations of culturally challenged ladies to relate to. Sex is one thing...long term love and nurturing is another. YMMV

PS. I actually hope you are right...that it is just a job for these ladies and it means nothing for them to change. I just dont see it happen too often. What someones profession is CAN be significant in a relationship. A girl can be good at selling a lot of things as a profession...but if she chooses to sell HERSELF, that is a different thing in my book. Maybe its my own cultural bias...but its me nonetheless...

PSS. If a girl really wanted to change, why in a rational world would she choose one of us Mongers? You'd think she would go after the nice innocent church boy who knows nothing of her past or that world, dont you think? Otherwise, it is just a john and a pro getting together in a long term contract.

Really sad, but I think this job completely changes their core and so like Tman basically says, it is very difficult to get back to the old core.

About people switching jobs - my observation is that people tend to look for the same type of job over and over again, because it is what they know. They'll take a step up and change carees paths to make more money if it is offered to them, but if left on their own, many people continue with what they know. Pay is what motivates a lot of folks so what could these girls be offered that pays more?

This completely ignores the self esteem factor with regard to these girls. Many have such low self esteem that they kill relationships where they are completely taken care of because they actually don't think they deserve the good life. They create problems in a good relationship just to get back to what they feel they deserve - the HDR and the like.

I know there are stories within our membership where these girls have been offered a better life and although they might accept it short term, they can't stand it for the long haul because it just doesn't match what they feel they deserve mentally. So, when in a good relationship, they do stupid things to screw it up so the guy throws her out, and then she basically gets what she wants, the HDR life (it is weird, because consciously, once they get to the HDR again, they don't really know why they did what they did to get there again, the subconscious low self esteem drove her there).

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