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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:31 pm 
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Here is a situation that I have heard about several times that bothers me. A tico family that freeloads off of the young chica. As expected, the family is fairly large and all live in 1 or 2 houses together. The grandparents are too old to work. The father is dead, in jail, or missing. The mother is lazy & having some sort of mid-life crises. The young males are selfish, lazy, and too concerned with keeping up thier macho rep. This leaves the young girl to be the bread winner. She feels a sense of obligation to support everyone in her family. The older ones pretend the $ comes from friendly tourists who are just overly generous and wanted to give hundreds of dollars to thier lovely daughter or grand-daughter. The chica probably allows them to think this way as long as possible. The brothers can't find or hold down any kind of job and either sell drugs or hustle for money. This money will be spent on themselves. There are always cousins , aunts , & uncles hanging out if not living there. There is no privacy. The chica can't trust some or all of the people in her family. They will steal her $ and deny it to her face. There is usually a relative that will lay a guilt trip on the girl if there is a bill to be payed or anything to be bought. I have no idea how anyone can tolerate this kind of shit from people who are supposed to love them. These chicas do it though. This is what strong family ties have gotten them. ..and they seem clueless about how to get out of this situation. I feel bad for girls who live like this , but it can be frustrating trying to talk sense to someone who dosen't want to do what it takes to help themselves. Sometimes its as if they think this is the way it's supposed to be. knowing some of these girls and having heard thier family histories... It makes me cringe anymore when I hear one request money for her mother or money for the water bill. I don't feel bad about the girls working in DR/KL/MPS & strip clubs... They're usually spending thier time around a better class of people in my opinion.

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Shawn4DelRey, CalifornacationDude, Orange, Boequest, Seahawk, Zebra and Zippy... thanks for reminding me that there is still some humanity left in this world.

TimBones, you can disagree with the entire post... that's your right. I have to agree with you, I've seen and have met a lot of hard working Ticos as well. But if you say that these chicas have taken the easy way out I ask you. "HOw easy do you think it is for a chica to sell her body to some complete stranger, someone like Olneymm?" The drugs, addictive and destuctive behavior you may have witnessed is usually the result of a tramatic experience at an earlier age. You must look at the root cause in order to better understand how some of these chicas make decisions. Their wiring is all screwed up in their brains, though no fault of their own.

Olneymm, I would be proud to have you as a father. You are so understanding. [sic]

Gypsy, You may see it as being lazy, but laziness is a euphemism for low-self esteem. Which alot of these chicas suffer from. As parents you can teach your K*ds all the right things but what are they suppose to do when someone they know and trust RAPES them and/or sexually abuses them at an early age? Do you mean to tell my that all the young boys who were raped by priest are to blame for what happened to them. It's an analogy but it gets the point across. Sexual abuse and rape is SEXUAL ABUSE AND RAPE!!

If anyone of us ever found ourselves in the joint for whatever reasons... how do you think you would feel about yourself and life after several guys cornered you and raped you? Something to ponder a bit... walk in someone shoes and try to learn why they make the decesions that they make. Look for the root cause and it will help you in understanding these chicas better.

Ask yourself why you have to travel to another country to pay chicas half your age for sex?

All I'm saying is that we all have problems some people have problems that are way beyond their control, for whatever reasons.

I completely understand why the chicas work and have absolutely no problem with them working at HDR in order to make ends meet. Also agree... the chicas at times do meet a better class of people in the HDR. It's sad when your own family lets you down... you can you trust?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:25 am 
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My solution to the problem is to adopt a family. Find a good one and treat them right, and you can support them and keep the mother away from her work. You don´t have to get married. You will feel good about what you are doing, if you help the right family. Trust me there are a lot of them in CR. There are many of us sitting in there $100 Hotel room wondering why these people are poor. SEAHAWK


How do you find a family (woman and a couple K*ds) where the
woman has not already resorted to sex work? How do you get the
money to the woman, and not to leeches who might skim the bucks?
I'd be seriously interested in doing this if I could be assured that
my money would be going to food and shelter, not drugs and derelicts.

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HOw easy do you think it is for a chica to sell her body to some complete stranger, someone like Olneymm?"

TP I DONT PRETEND TO UNDERSTAND THIER CAREER CHOICE. I DONT WANT TO UNDERSTAND THIER CAREER CHOICE. I AM DOWN THERE TO HAVE A GOOD TIME.PERIOD. I DONT BRING THEM IN TO MY PROBLEMS AND I WILL NOT LET THEM BRING ME IN TO THIERS. A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO YOU WERE CRYING ABOUT BEING KICKED OUT OF THE DR OVER SOME TICA DRAMA. I PERFER TO LEAVE MY PROBLEMS AT THE AIRPORT ON THE WAY TO CR AND NOT CREATE ANY NEW ONES DURING MY TIMES IN PARADISE. I DO TRY TO TREAT EACH GIRL IM WITH AS WELL AS EVERYONE I MEET WITH RESPECT AND KINDNESS BUT IM NOT THERE TO CHANGE THE WORLD

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Olneymm,

Yeah. I hear what you are SAYING. Maybe my problem is that I spend to much time talking and not enough time fornicating. Over my seven trips I've met and talked to so many chicas about their experiences that it's difficult to ignore at times.

It's all very complicated.

You would be crying to if you got kicked out of the Del Rey! :lol: :cry: :lol:

I wish I was at the Del Rey RIGHT NOW!!!


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If you choose to support the chica it is just like paying Ch*ld support. You don't get to choose how the money is spent no matter how much it pisses you off when you see how it usually gets sidelined.

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"Just like paying Ch*ld support".........Absolutely right. When I pay for a bebe's doctor or dental bill or buy her shoes or clothes or toys or food, I know exactly where the money is going.......and happy for it. :)

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Toledo, Do you realy think it is possible to find a girl that has not done sex for money in Coasta Rica or any place in the world? Would you rather find out later that she has? If your morals don't include this activity, don't participate. What is the difference? SEAHAWK

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Yeah. I hear what you are SAYING. Maybe my problem is that I spend to much time talking and not enough time fornicating. Over my seven trips I've met and talked to so many chicas about their experiences that it's difficult to ignore at times.


I think you also believe too much of what you hear. A chica's version of why she is hooking can't be taken too seriously - they are on the defensive. Their story has to be a "feel sorry for me" one. They likely see the world in a much different way than the rest of Costa Rica's women.


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The chicas that hang out in the DR/SL/etc are pretty much like any other random group of women except for being mostly better looking and very available. So far as I can tell, it is just what you would expect - some of the stories are true and some are utter BS. Which is which is a judgement call on your part. The part that does seem to be 96.7% factual in the stories is that nearly all of them are supporting los bebes and usually an extended family. BTW: they are almost always embarrassingly grateful for small favors and courtesies which leads me to believe they probably don't get a lot of that in their lives. FWIW


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Sorry guys, but of the 2 HDR chicas that I have been to the homes of, and met the extended familys of, there was no shame.
The first, at her son's birthdat party, was showing nude pictures of herself in my camera, to relatives.
The other would share stories of her exploits like it was a game of sports.
Being a successful HDR chica is very far up the totem pole for an average working girl in Latin America. I think a lot of them are proud of that fact.
Seeing where they came from, and knowing where they would be without the HDR, believe me, there is not as much stigma as some would have you believe.

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Hey Guys all these post contain many truths like them or not But Shawn nailed the biggest percentage of how it really is I believe.
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A tico family that freeloads off of the young chica. As expected, the family is fairly large and all live in 1 or 2 houses together. The grandparents are too old to work. The father is dead, in jail, or missing. The mother is lazy & having some sort of mid-life crises. The young males are selfish, lazy, and too concerned with keeping up thier macho rep. This leaves the young girl to be the bread winner. She feels a sense of obligation to support everyone in her family. The older ones pretend the $ comes from friendly tourists who are just overly generous and wanted to give hundreds of dollars to thier lovely daughter or grand-daughter. The chica probably allows them to think this way as long as possible. The brothers can't find or hold down any kind of job and either sell drugs or hustle for money. This money will be spent on themselves. There are always cousins , aunts , & uncles hanging out if not living there. There is no privacy. The chica can't trust some or all of the people in her family. They will steal her $ and deny it to her face. There is usually a relative that will lay a guilt trip on the girl if there is a bill to be payed or anything to be bought. I have no idea how anyone can tolerate this kind of shit from people who are supposed to love them. These chicas do it though. This is what strong family ties have gotten them. ..and they seem clueless about how to get out of this situation. I feel bad for girls who live like this , but it can be frustrating trying to talk sense to someone who dosen't want to do what it takes to help themselves. Sometimes its as if they think this is the way it's supposed to be. knowing some of these girls and having heard thier family histories... It makes me cringe anymore when I hear one request money for her mother or money for the water bill. I don't feel bad about the girls working in DR/KL/MPS & strip clubs... They're usually spending thier time around a better class of people in my opinion.
I see this same shit in trailer trash families in the USA but it contains that ugly MAD unhappy attitude with it. :x

I also agree you can not believe all you hear from these Latinas so really why over bend your EAR? Let the situation unfold & tell you the truth of what really is going on & this takes a lot of time. If we try to help from a far we will be used & abused I believe. If they use their own family they sure as hell will use us if we are suckers! :evil: I think many of us are so shocked to see how real & nice the non pro can be & it leaves us in awe. I am happy to see us care about them but this riddle about how they are will never be solved. Many people in my family would use me if I would allow it. I have a policy that I will help only those who help themself & appreiciate the help even with family.

Many here in the past have posted on their experience with trying to help & the results never seem good. I paid tuition for one as long as she would study something worth while. She was the best I had met in 17 years of traveling there. You will not find her out working that I have ever detected. I placed this bet on what I thought was a winning horse that would cross the finish line but in my mind being a realist I figured I wouldn't have to pay long & I was right! She lasted 2 semesters. I made sure the money was spent on College & paid the bill myself.

In the end she blamed me for not giving her enough to finish which is BS. It was just more work than she was willing to put out. Many don't want to get up that early & want to stay home with their little one.
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I DONT PRETEND TO UNDERSTAND THIER CAREER CHOICE. I DONT WANT TO UNDERSTAND THIER CAREER CHOICE. I AM DOWN THERE TO HAVE A GOOD TIME.PERIOD. I DONT BRING THEM IN TO MY PROBLEMS AND I WILL NOT LET THEM BRING ME IN TO THIERS. I PERFER TO LEAVE MY PROBLEMS AT THE AIRPORT ON THE WAY TO CR AND NOT CREATE ANY NEW ONES DURING MY TIMES IN PARADISE. I DO TRY TO TREAT EACH GIRL IM WITH AS WELL AS EVERYONE I MEET WITH RESPECT AND KINDNESS BUT IM NOT THERE TO CHANGE THE WORLD


This is good advice for all. :wink: Enjoy what is offered to us & stop trying to make more out of it than can really ever be. Believe me easy to say & hard to do :cry: . The problem like shawn points out is so many of these Latinas have been used & abused by family. They know nothing else. This is ever day normal life in their neighborhoods. For some johnny cumm lately like us to try & explain to some Latina her family is abusing her doesn't go over well. It is hard to believe that many mongerers could be more true to her than her own family but I believe it to be absolutely true (depending on the case) :?

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I have a number of stories, as most guys who have traveled to Latin America have.

One was a really sweet 21 yr old I met in the Dominican Republic. This girl was intelligent and could really be successful if given the opportunity. She "fell in love" with a young Dominican at the age of 17. Of course she got pregnant and he took off.

Her father disowned her and kicked her out. This guy had 6 K*ds by 4 women and I think he was only married to 1 of them yet he kicked his daughter out when she got pregnant.

When I met her she had taught herself English using lessons on cassette and was trying to go to college and take care of her 4 yr old while alternately living with her mother and an aunt. With her mother she also lived with a younger half-sister (the sister's father lived in New York City. She subsquently got pregnant at 17 and returned to the US to live with her father). With her aunt there was any number of other little crumb-snatchers running around.

The day I met her she had been working out of a little 2-room "house" for 4 days. I was the only guy she left with and never returned since she knew it was beneath her to sell her body. Her entire motivation in life was to take care of her daughter.

I helped her a few times monetarily over the next year and half and as I recall we only made it to bed one more time. She just wasn't cut out for the business. The last I heard from her she was working in an office doing basic secretary stuff.

The girls we come in contact with all have a story and a history. I would believe many are just as bad as they claim. Sure, you're going to find the ones who choose the life but I would be tempted to believe there are many more who fell into it from economic necessity.

It's amazing to me how many of these girls will allow themselves to get pregnant. It shows me that they are just trying to find something to love and they think having a baby will be the answer to their prayers.

Unfortunately it's so prevalent that it's become the norm in some circles.

Just treat them nice and enjoy yourself. If you find one you want to help that's up to you but just remember a couple things:
1. The "care" never ends.
2. You can't help them all.

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You really do have to admire (maybe admire isn't the right word... respect is a better word to use) the ones who do this to support their families and give their K*ds a better life than they could have otherwise. It is definitely not an easy job.


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