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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 6:28 pm 
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Now this is a classic.
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It is funny to me how liberal the women of latin america can be toward sex and selling their bodies but yet so conservative in other matters.


This is very true from what I have seen & shows the difference in the way the cultures exists. Many p4p types consider their activities somewhat normal & accepted.. ok by me. :P Funny Xman I find them so into so called normal sex typical hot blooded Latina :P . Much hotter & into it than a lot of other women I have known from other cultures yet they seem conservative from the stand point of exploration or alittle kink thrown in generally speaking.

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Ok by me as well Zippy. It is in deed culture shock and would be hypocritical in the states but gringa behavior is hypocritical in Latin America.


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Zippy and Xman...you guys are getting DEEP now 8) . The observation that these women are liberal/conservative is very right on. Then again, you'll find the same thing in some european cultures. Some of the women seem very reserved and conservative in public, but are uninhibited when it comes to sex. I have found with many Latinas the same as you said...they completely understand and accept P4P sexually, BUT...in a normal relationship they look for that "look into your soul through the eyes" passion where it is not about positions or "kinkyness", but about the connection of emotion and naked passion...even to expressions of anger through the sexual acts. It gets pretty interesting sometimes if you let it and get to that level of intimacy.

Ah...the memories...

This is much more interesting than gringo fashion in the gulch :wink: .


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Tman,

I know nothing of European culture. I am very interested in experiencing in the near future. I have a question about Latinas though, is there much of a difference in Latina culture Central America and South America in context we have discussed?



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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 9:28 am 
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I'm very tired of Americans being portrayed as the only ugly tourists out there; we didn't invent boorish travel habits, nor do we have a monopoly on bad behavior. BDA's attempt to "re-educate" us seems to be an effort by a few guys to impose their opinions on others.

Worst tourists I've ever encountered (in no particular order) have been Germans in France and Spain, British "lager-louts" in Amsterdam, and some Canuck wearing electric colored tennis shoes with flashy, contrasting laces... :lol: :wink: Those young Canadians are going to screw it up for all of us.

Seriously, I've seen really bad tourist behavior all over, and these guys may be onto something with their behavior guide. Have you ever noticed how ugly gringa tourists can be? They often make their boorish male counterparts seem polite by comparison.

I thought I was cool wearing my Okibashi rubber sandals in San Jose, until Ruffnutz commented that they looked like the shower sandals distributed to the military. I'm bringing black Reebok walking shoes and a pair of Florsheim dress loafers on my next trip. I am learning Spanish, so as to be able to show respect. I'm working on the voice volume thing; I have a naturally resonant voice which seems to carry farther than I intend.

These business types make good points, and we could all probably use a "diplomatic tune-up" as far as our tourist behavior is concerned.

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Simple people shouldn't expect much.


I've never met you my CRT amigo, and I'm sure that I could have a beer with you; however, that statement, in itself, embodies the ugly Norteamericano attitude.

Simplicity used to be brilliance. We sophisticated Norteamericanos with our "me me me" attitude are far superior to these simple folks. They should just be glad we came to drink their beer, catch their fish, and phuck their chicas. Right? :roll:

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What we're talking about is interacting with Ticos and trying to know the culture. Also...trying not to get robbed running around the streets. I agree with everyone here who says the attitude is more important than the wardrobe. But lets not forget the Latins are very conscious of image and external style. I f you want to know them, dress accordingly. Thats all.


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Simple people shouldn't expect much.


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Man oh man, maybe it is just the "California" in me, but I work with Indian women who come to work wrapped in all that cloth and seeing someone with a red dot between their eyes and above their nose isn't unusual .... AND I've never thought to say, dress the way I do, you are in America!

I'm taking whatever I normally wear in the states to CR and wearing it plain and simple.... as long as it is clean and I don't smell bad, what's the big deal?


RHM - I actually consider myself one of the simple people... I try to accept people as they are and as long as you are clean and you don't smell, what's the big deal when it comes to clothing? Up until I commented, this post was more about proper attire, not about attitude.

But, I have to agree with El C, I'm really tired of these posts about ugly Americans as if we are the worst of the worst of the worst. I just don't see us that way.

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I think that most of what we are observing when we see the "Ugly Country" behavior is nothing more than out of control egos.

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OK…I’ve been following this thread for the last couple of days and finally have time to make a couple of observations…

I live in a town that is driven by tourism and I would bet that those same guys that you describe as “ugly Americans” are the same people that we call “rude tourists” and are who the restaurateurs in their home towns just call “rude”…

Dress code…we all have our own style, and as long as it does not offend local customs, or appropriate dress for an establishment…be yourself, nothing worse than an obvious tourist trying to look like a local…

El C makes several great observations about tourists from other countries being just as obnoxious and in most cases worse than us Americans…I would just add that a pack of Japanese tourists can ruin any tourist location with their lack of consideration, and as a group will push and shove anyone in their way…and the worst, Arab tourists, they think any non Arab is dirt and treat them that way.

What I can’t believe, is that nobody here has made the point that original MSNBC article was alluding to:

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Americans tended to get better ratings than their country and its policies. But recent surveys show that favorable perceptions of Americans have been shrinking while views on the world’s only superpower grow increasingly hostile.


What I think is being said here is, due to our government’s recent bad foreign policy decisions, we as traveling citizens must now try to be inconspicuous as possible for our own safety… sad. :evil:

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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 8:44 am 
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Mendo,

You stated that "nothing is worse than an tourist trying to dress like a local." If we were talking about djellabas or berkhas, turbans or kimonos I would agree. However, I don't think it's unreasonable to dress in long pants versus shorts, wear shoes rather than flip-flops, or wear collared shirts rather than T-shirts offering free moustache rides. :lol:

I had my first and worst run-in with Japanese tourists at the Saint Chapelle in Paris. Signs prohibiting flash photography are prominently displayed all over the entrances to the church. These signs are in numerous languages, including Japanese. A large group of Japanese tourists came off a tour bus, swarmed the chapel, pushed everyone else out of their way. Then, a veritable barrage of electronic flashes fired off from forty cameras in rapid succession. The tourists then climbed back on their bus and departed before monument security guards could do anything. Keep in mind that the prohibition against flash photography is for the protection of ancient works of art; camera flash will fade old dyes and pigments. These Japanese tourists took pains to violate a very common sense rule of behavior. The American and Canadian tourists we encountered were friendly and respectful, even stepping aside to let the swarming Japanese pass.

Also while in Paris we encountered a group of rowdy German men who were literally molesting a young French girl. I don't speak much German, but I do know the word for "c*nt," "futze," which was being loudly called at the victim. Fortunately, a large group of French men quickly surrounded the German louts and beat the snot out of them.

Most Americans I have encountered while traveling have been polite when dealing with locals, but have been overly loud and obnoxious when "partying." The rare occasions where Americans havde been publically rude were inevitably fueled by alcohol. Lots of alcohol. :mad: OTOH, Americans seemed more patient while waiting in lines, tried to speak the local language more often, dressed and behaved better than their tourist counterparts from other countries. I agree with Mendo that much of this hype spins directly from U.S. foreign policy and that we have very little to do with changing attitudes toward American tourists.

By the way, if comparing male to female American tourists, I can categorically state that the women are usually much more rude, impatient and irritating than the males. Men tend to roll with the punches a bit; we handle waiting better, will be more diplomatic in restaurants and bars, and generally are better behaved than our gringa traveling companions. Wonder why? :D

I think the secret is to simply dress comfortably but clean, speak a bit more softly than usual, and continue to stay relaxed, even if you're impatient or irritated. I do believe that each of us is an ambassador for the U.S. and/or Canada, and that we do have a responsibility to put out our best appearance and behavior.

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Points well taken Mendo and others. Obviously Americans dont have a corner on bad behavior in other peoples lands. Still, I take issue...and sure it is may be a person thing and I would never try to edict my view...but outside of California, Florida and maybe another western state or two, you will not find many adults, espeically men, running around downtown in shorts, tshirts and thongs. And yes, it is a bias, because I dont mind as much seeing nice looking ladies in shorts and tshirts :oops: . I guess maybe it even falls into the category where I dont find lesbian sex quite as disturbing to watch as i do two males together. Not sure all the reasons...just do. So, if I as an American who even once lived in Southern California and Florida find men running around in a downtown area in shorts, tshirt and flip flops unappealing and in bad taste...imagine what our host culture is thinking. And maybe its even a little jealousy that other guys look better in shorts than I do :roll: ... but come on...some of you...you know who you are...do NOT look attractive in this attire. It's like the fat girl wearing hot pants and mid drift revealing tops. YUCK.


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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 8:50 am 
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El Ciego wrote:
I do believe that each of us is an ambassador for the U.S. and/or Canada, and that we do have a responsibility to put out our best appearance and behavior.


El C, here here, well said. We are all 'guests' in the country and should keep that in mind.

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.... And maybe its even a little jealousy that other guys look better in shorts than I do :roll: ... but come on...some of you...you know who you are...do NOT look attractive in this attire. It's like the fat girl wearing hot pants and mid drift revealing tops. YUCK.

Alright.............. NOW I'm starting to get a complex !!! :P :roll: :o
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you will not find many adults, espeically men, running around downtown in shorts, tshirts and thongs.


Tman include NC, SC, GA in you group of states with adults that wear shorts.

To ereryone else I pose a question.

Do you think that the perception of The "Rude American" is perpetuated by in any portion by jeliousy of the US? I believe so.


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It is said universally in the Spanish-speaking world that every woman should be three women:

A lady on the streets (in public)
A cook in the kitchen and
A whore in the bedroom.

Most Latinas I've met outside the U.S. and Canada seem much more "natural" about sex in general. Even my "sexless" legit massage therapist in San Jose, Maria Elena seems to be very relaxed about the whole p4p scene. I encountered her with her massage table and kit in hand one evening at the Sportsmen's Lodge. I asked her how it was to work at hotels where p4p is common. Her gleeful reply was a grinning "Boys on vacation!" a laugh and a shrug.

If any of you heathens would ever set foot in a church on Sunday mornings, you might actually encounter ladies you saw at the BM the night before. :lol: :P :wink: The Latinas don't have a problem balancing religion and sex. This makes me wonder why we gringos react so vehemently about sex, prostitution and other topics better left private. To quote blues singer Taj Mahal... "Ain't nobody's business but my own."

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