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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:59 am 
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Now they are saying March? Damn. Honestly makes me think twice about going back there.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:17 am 
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Horhey wrote:
Now they are saying March? Damn. Honestly makes me think twice about going back there.

http://www.cubadave.com


Other than serving as a vent for frustration, the anecdote about the "pedophile judge", on the website, will not help his case any.


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Now they are saying March? Damn. Honestly makes me think twice about going back there.

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And why do you come to this conclusion?


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:09 pm 
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Whether or not you like Cuba Dave, whether or not you agree with how he conducts himself in CR. It is extremely concerning how this has been handled.

Our government doesn't look like they are going to get involved probably because of how prostitution whether legal or not is viewed. Prostitution doesn't fall within the
" norms" in American society. At least on the surface.

As we are all well aware of the "closet" perverts that hide within the borders of the United States ie; Priests, Rabbi's, Doctors, Lawyers, Politicians, Judge's, Police Officers, Teachers, etc.,etc.

My point is if anyone of you think that we are immune from "selective law enforcement" your kidding yourself. Especially in a foreign land, even one that seemingly like Americans. Do they really like us or do they tolerate us?

If Costa Rica really wanted to clean up their image why wouldn't they make prostitution illegal? The answer is more than likely the "elites", the "lawmakers" indulge in the hobby.

Instead they are going to make an example out of one old American man for blogging about legal prostitution within their "moral country".

More than likely our Embassy in CR was advised prior to the September arrest of the investigation and probably asked for feedback because of the potential ramifications of arresting an American for expressing himself on the World Wide Web.

If I were a betting man I would say that CR was given the United States blessing given how indulging in prostitution is viewed by the " moral majority " and assured the United States would not interfere or speak out publicly about arresting someone for blogging.

Especially since he would be held for this bullshit known as "preventative detention". Do any of you really think they are putting a "case together"? Your fooling yourself if you do. They are going to hold him for " preventative detention " until our government is forced to step in for humanitarian reasons being he is older and probably by now suffering.

I am not saying I agree with the way Cuba Dave conducted himself, I am of the opinion "loose lips sink ships". It's much better to indulge and enjoy yourselves and not open up to many about your hobby especially for the World to see and read. However, I don't begrudge someone that wants to blog about a legal activities. Who am I to judge.

I definitely don't agree with the posting of the girls photos.

I just think that we must keep in mind that once we leave the borders of the United States we no longer have the "rights and protections" afforded to us by our Constitution and we should act accordingly.

The way our fellow American is being treated should send a chill down our spines even though he clearly brought this on himself.

Just my 2 cents

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First, excellent post Hless125. I agree with just about everything you said. I have followed the Cuba Dave saga since it began. I also find it very troubling and inhumane for the legal authorities to detain a person indefinitely without presenting an indictment or charges against him. As many posters have mentioned the activity he posted about is legal. Simply put the CR legal authorities are disingenuous hypocrites. If anyone were to start a website called http://www.crputas.com and posted everything Cuba Dave did and more, and was actually indicted by the authorities in CR, and they requested extradition, there is probably not a judge in free world who would grant the request.

Others, who know Cuba Dave have commented that he was actually aware of the law and still carried on in the same manner as he always had. Even though what is happening to CD is horrendous and inhumane at this point he still did it to himself. He let his enormous ego control his judgment and now he is paying a brutal price.

My hunch is the US authorities may have cooperated in this case. I am posting a link to a Miami New Times article about CD in which stated the authorities in Miami confiscated CD's camera, computer ect... at a border search in Miami. I think they looked for evidence of a possible crime and could not find any as the girls were probably all over 18. However, because of this quirky law he could be charged in Costa Rica and he subsequently was.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/cubad ... dy-6394213

Another lesson that should be learned from this saga is that a person from a foreign country can be held in this indefinite state of preventative detention for any other crime you may be accused of while the CR authorities allegedly investigate it. Be careful out there guys and lay low and avoid any kind of trouble.


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Be careful out there guys and lay low and avoid any kind of trouble.


+100000...... For me, this is the moral of the CD saga.

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I just think that we must keep in mind that once we leave the borders of the United States we no longer have the "rights and protections" afforded to us by our Constitution and we should act accordingly.


Exactly. Many Americans forget that once they leave the "protected" freedoms of the United States of America.


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hless125 wrote:
...They are going to hold him for " preventative detention " until our government is forced to step in for humanitarian reasons being he is older and probably by now suffering...
If that is the case, he'll be there for at least another year. The current US administration will not do anything unless it furthers their agenda. Just look at the Army guy who was jailed in Mexico in 2014 because he made a wrong turn at the border. The federal government did not do anything to get him released. Compare that to what they did to get the Army deserter out of Afghanistan.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:24 pm 
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Loco Mike wrote:
First, excellent post Hless125. I agree with just about everything you said. I have followed the Cuba Dave saga since it began. I also find it very troubling and inhumane for the legal authorities to detain a person indefinitely without presenting an indictment or charges against him. As many posters have mentioned the activity he posted about is legal. Simply put the CR legal authorities are disingenuous hypocrites. If anyone were to start a website called http://www.crputas.com and posted everything Cuba Dave did and more, and was actually indicted by the authorities in CR, and they requested extradition, there is probably not a judge in free world who would grant the request.

Others, who know Cuba Dave have commented that he was actually aware of the law and still carried on in the same manner as he always had. Even though what is happening to CD is horrendous and inhumane at this point he still did it to himself. He let his enormous ego control his judgment and now he is paying a brutal price.

My hunch is the US authorities may have cooperated in this case. I am posting a link to a Miami New Times article about CD in which stated the authorities in Miami confiscated CD's camera, computer ect... at a border search in Miami. I think they looked for evidence of a possible crime and could not find any as the girls were probably all over 18. However, because of this quirky law he could be charged in Costa Rica and he subsequently was.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/cubad ... dy-6394213

Another lesson that should be learned from this saga is that a person from a foreign country can be held in this indefinite state of preventative detention for any other crime you may be accused of while the CR authorities allegedly investigate it. Be careful out there guys and lay low and avoid any kind of trouble.


Loco Mike,

Thank you for the kind words on my post. After reading the Miami New Times story there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the U.S. Authorities worked in conjunction with the Costa Rican Authorities.

That should have put Cuba Dave on notice that he was being watched. How many thousands of travelers entering the United States every year from Costa Rica have their digital media confiscated. I have been traveling as a solo male traveler to Costa Rica since 2006 at least six times a year and have never been stopped much less searched and definitely nothing confiscated "for further investigation".

Cuba Dave either was oblivious to what was happening or like many have written his ego got in his way and have caused an absolute catastrophe in what he has left of life.

Cuba Dave, unfortunately for him, missed the signs that were slapping him in the face. He may have been under the impression that because he is American he is untouchable.

As allied as the United States is with Costa Rica don't you think all the American ambassador would have to do is speak to his Costa Rican counterpart and he would be released and transported to the airport with the understanding he is banned from ever entering Costa Rica again almost immediately?

Lets be clear, Costa Rica did this to themselves. Cuba Dave didn't make it known to the world what occurs in Costa Rica. If you search anywhere on the web or YouTube look what you find. It's endless.

Cuba Dave CLEARLY pissed someone off. I don't know maybe he posted photos of a cop's or a Judges "regular". But, you see that's the point, all you have to do is rub someone the wrong way that has a bit of power or authority and your life will be turned upside down just as Cuba Dave's has been.

And, the truly scary part is it could all be a lie. Who are they going to believe an American that they view as exploiting their woman or ANY Costa Rican and you too could be held on "preventative Detention" and released two years later with no charges. With absolutely no recourse.

If anyone thinks that everyone in Costa Rica is all righteous and lying is beneath them, think again. It is still a third world country where human rights means absolutely nothing to them. Especially the human rights of a "Rich American" which is strongly believed by them.

The ramifications are scary. The best thing to do is if you are going to be in this game keep to your own little group of trusted because if you piss off the wrong person your are potentially F****D!!

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...They are going to hold him for " preventative detention " until our government is forced to step in for humanitarian reasons being he is older and probably by now suffering...
If that is the case, he'll be there for at least another year. The current US administration will not do anything unless it furthers their agenda. Just look at the Army guy who was jailed in Mexico in 2014 because he made a wrong turn at the border. The federal government did not do anything to get him released. Compare that to what they did to get the Army deserter out of Afghanistan.


Good Day John,

Excellent point.

Maybe if we started the "OLD MEN'S LIVES MATTER" that would get their attention.

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As allied as the United States is with Costa Rica don't you think all the American ambassador would have to do is speak to his Costa Rican counterpart and he would be released and transported to the airport with the understanding he is banned from ever entering Costa Rica again almost immediately?

Lets be clear, Costa Rica did this to themselves. Cuba Dave didn't make it known to the world what occurs in Costa Rica. If you search anywhere on the web or YouTube look what you find. It's endless.

Cuba Dave CLEARLY pissed someone off. I don't know maybe he posted photos of a cop's or a Judges "regular". But, you see that's the point, all you have to do is rub someone the wrong way that has a bit of power or authority and your life will be turned upside down just as Cuba Dave's has been.

And, the truly scary part is it could all be a lie. Who are they going to believe an American that they view as exploiting their woman or ANY Costa Rican and you too could be held on "preventative Detention" and released two years later with no charges. With absolutely no recourse.

The ramifications are scary. The best thing to do is if you are going to be in this game keep to your own little group of trusted because if you piss off the wrong person your are potentially F****D!!


Hless125, let me respond to several of the points you made. I practice criminal law in South Florida and over the years I have represented a number of foreign nationals arrested in South Florida. When a person is arrested the jail or detention facility contacts the accused embassy to inform them that they are detaining their citizen. The procedure most of the countries follow is to contact the attorney of record and obtain information with respect to the case and periodically contact me for updates on the case. I have never had an embassy directly intervene in a case. In some situations were the arrest is highly questionable or egregious they stay in closer contact with me. I would assume the procedure is similar when an American is arrested abroad. I have no doubt that the US Embassy in San Jose is completely aware of the CD case since its inception.

Not only did CD have knowledge that he was being watched based on the border search in Miami. In addition he was denied admittance into the DR on his last attempt to go to Sosua. The DR authorities simply refused to allow him entry into the country when he presented himself at the airport. This is what the Costa Rican officials should have done with CD.

On a side note the New Times article mentions the owner of Passions , a once popular venue in Sosua, was arrested and closed down. He was also an ego maniac, like CD, but he actually had money. He built an obnoxious mansion right behind Passions and sort of rubbed his wealth in everyone's face. They arrested him and shut him down. He is humble now.

You are correct that in a worse case scenario you can be detained indefinitely by authorities in a foreign country without ever being charged. My guess is that US law enforcement is working the the CR authorities and will not intervene because they think CD is a dirt bag and they want to make an example out of him.


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Loco Mike wrote:
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As allied as the United States is with Costa Rica don't you think all the American ambassador would have to do is speak to his Costa Rican counterpart and he would be released and transported to the airport with the understanding he is banned from ever entering Costa Rica again almost immediately?

Lets be clear, Costa Rica did this to themselves. Cuba Dave didn't make it known to the world what occurs in Costa Rica. If you search anywhere on the web or YouTube look what you find. It's endless.

Cuba Dave CLEARLY pissed someone off. I don't know maybe he posted photos of a cop's or a Judges "regular". But, you see that's the point, all you have to do is rub someone the wrong way that has a bit of power or authority and your life will be turned upside down just as Cuba Dave's has been.

And, the truly scary part is it could all be a lie. Who are they going to believe an American that they view as exploiting their woman or ANY Costa Rican and you too could be held on "preventative Detention" and released two years later with no charges. With absolutely no recourse.

The ramifications are scary. The best thing to do is if you are going to be in this game keep to your own little group of trusted because if you piss off the wrong person your are potentially F****D!!


Hless125, let me respond to several of the points you made. I practice criminal law in South Florida and over the years I have represented a number of foreign nationals arrested in South Florida. When a person is arrested the jail or detention facility contacts the accused embassy to inform them that they are detaining their citizen. The procedure most of the countries follow is to contact the attorney of record and obtain information with respect to the case and periodically contact me for updates on the case. I have never had an embassy directly intervene in a case. In some situations were the arrest is highly questionable or egregious they stay in closer contact with me. I would assume the procedure is similar when an American is arrested abroad. I have no doubt that the US Embassy in San Jose is completely aware of the CD case since its inception.

Not only did CD have knowledge that he was being watched based on the border search in Miami. In addition he was denied admittance into the DR on his last attempt to go to Sosua. The DR authorities simply refused to allow him entry into the country when he presented himself at the airport. This is what the Costa Rican officials should have done with CD.

On a side note the New Times article mentions the owner of Passions , a once popular venue in Sosua, was arrested and closed down. He was also an ego maniac, like CD, but he actually had money. He built an obnoxious mansion right behind Passions and sort of rubbed his wealth in everyone's face. They arrested him and shut him down. He is humble now.

You are correct that in a worse case scenario you can be detained indefinitely by authorities in a foreign country without ever being charged. My guess is that US law enforcement is working the the CR authorities and will not intervene because they think CD is a dirt bag and they want to make an example out of him.


Loco Mike,

I am now even happier I got a thumbs up for my original post now knowing you practice law. I too retired from law in 2006 in South Florida. Points well taken. Thank you.

This whole thing is a travesty however it turns out. Costa Rica should get busy applying for warrant's for citizens from all over the world and see how many judges approve extradition.

I suspect that would be a huge waste of time. Cuba Dave served himself up on a silver platter for them.

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The guy seems like a jerk. Did everything wrong. But there is no good reason to hold him for another year.

Send him back to Florida and ban him from CR forever. Problem solved.


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Horhey wrote:
The guy seems like a jerk. Did everything wrong. But there is no good reason to hold him for another year.

Send him back to Florida and ban him from CR forever. Problem solved.

Maybe the CR government is afraid of what he'll do on the internet once safely home. Maybe they believe that he'll be an even bigger problem for them once he's back in the US.


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Horhey wrote:
The guy seems like a jerk. Did everything wrong. But there is no good reason to hold him for another year.

Send him back to Florida and ban him from CR forever. Problem solved.

Maybe the CR government is afraid of what he'll do on the internet once safely home. Maybe they believe that he'll be an even bigger problem for them once he's back in the US.

They can form an agreement not to prosecute if he leaves and stops posting. That agreement (if broken) could be used for the basis of extradition from the USA.

He can be made to shut up in exchange for his walking papers.

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