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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:03 pm 
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I've been using Windows 10 since its release on my MSI laptop and have only had one issue so far with my trackpad.....that a simple restart completely fixed.
It's a crapload better than Win8/8.1 and recommend everyone do it ASAP while it's still free. I am still not sure if I like it better than windows 7 yet though.
Just my 2 cents.

Curious. What makes it better than 8.1? I run 8.1 on two laptops, and 7 on the desktop. I'm no big fan of Metro, but I bypass it anywayz.

I also never had an issue running Vista64, and my mother still uses it to this day.

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The inability to shut off updates IS annoying but the fear mongers and the "haters" of all things Microsoft can all calm down.

For the basic end user, it ain't no big thing. Subscription services? You bet, they're on the horizon, but those are all of the pick and choose or "opt out" variety. You want cloud services? Pay for them. You want Office 365 in the cloud? Pay for it. Integrate you're ever so trackable "smartphone" with the Pc and the cloud? Pay for it. Etc. A monthly fee to use the operating system? Not going to happen.

Say what you will about Microsoft and Gates because and but when the chickens come home to roost, I rather doubt Gates gives a hoot. Continue to fight city hall with your toy operating systems which are all things Apple. Continue to swim upstream in a Microsoft world. Makes no never mind to me!

Too, don't upgrade as Windows 7 is fully supported for another 5+ years and Windows 8 and 8.1, even longer. You WILL get a "nag screen" to update to Windows 10 which is no more annoying than the countless number of pop up ads fools get on those porno web sites so many are so fond of!

Or, take the time....invest it if you will....and learn how to use a big boys' operating system like FreeBSD or Sun Solaris. Linux script kiddies are, well....script kiddies. sit down and shut up, please. :P

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:55 am 
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....and learn how to use a big boys' operating system like RedHat or Sun Solaris....

I never found anything 'big boy' about Linux, unless you mean the pain in the ass it can become with certain hardware meshes. I cut my teeth as a unix engineer for many years and never found anything 'magical' about that either.

Best OS's I ever Admin'ed: AIX, OS2, and Plan9. I still find Linux to be a 'little boys' OS... but that's just my perspective.

And Yes! Windows sucks! But it's where the money is for me.

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Excuse me. Typo on the part of the computing device I am using and since corrected in my first post. Typing Red Hat was stupid. I was trying to type FreeBSD, but for some reason it came out RedHat. Damn EDGE and Windows 10 glitch. :wink: :wink: :lol: :wink: :!:

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I never found anything 'big boy' about Linux, unless you mean the pain in the ass it can become with certain hardware meshes. I cut my teeth as a unix engineer for many years and never found anything 'magical' about that either.

Best OS's I ever Admin'ed: AIX, OS2, and Plan9. I still find Linux to be a 'little boys' OS... but that's just my perspective.

And Yes! Windows sucks! But it's where the money is for me.

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...while having Gates testify again before Congress that they can't find qualified U.S. IT workers :evil: :roll:

Actually, at the higher end of the IT education spectrum, this country trails behind almost every other industrialized nation.

If you look through the employee rosters of major security and innovation companies, you'll see floods of non-Americans. Though we have many mid-level engineers, we are short on quality-grade information architects.

I agree that outsourcing low-to-mid level jobs is BS, but our universities are not turning out the volume of Computer Scientists that are required.


BD...you are wrong on all three of your points...

http://www.epi.org/publication/pm195-st ... -distorts/
http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/educat ... -is-a-myth
http://issues.org/29-4/what-shortages-t ... workforce/

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...while having Gates testify again before Congress that they can't find qualified U.S. IT workers :evil: :roll:

Actually, at the higher end of the IT education spectrum, this country trails behind almost every other industrialized nation.

If you look through the employee rosters of major security and innovation companies, you'll see floods of non-Americans. Though we have many mid-level engineers, we are short on quality-grade information architects.

I agree that outsourcing low-to-mid level jobs is BS, but our universities are not turning out the volume of Computer Scientists that are required.


BD...you are wrong on all three of your points...

Not trying to start a pissing contest here, but you are offering up oranges to my apples. Please re-read the last sentence in my posting.

There are plenty of Bachelor and Master graduates coming out of US Universities. However too few of them are continuing up the education ladder in this field (principally because in the 90's the Computer Science faculty was separated from it's parent Mathematics faculty, and in so doing, weakened the basic mathematics requirement for graduate-level degrees). Very few Master's graduates have a firm grasp on Information Theory ... a requirement to move upwards in the field.

When I took my Bachelors in Information Sciences in the 80s, there was no higher degree in that field. I transferred to UConn to take a Ph.D. in Mathematics. When I transferred to Cornell to their new Computer Science faculty, I was assigned to teach undergraduate I.T. classes to engineering students. 10 years later, those classes are no longer a part of any Computer Science curriculum.

Today's C.S. grads are meant to be hands-on engineers. Students wishing to become Information Theorists instead come up the Mathematics faculty, where they learn the basics of theory. Few of them know anything about hardware or software, but they sure can get jobs at Microsoft and Google. :mrgreen:

Yes! Gates was bullshit. Yes! There is no real STEM shortage of mid-level workers in the USA. But at least in my field, there aren't enough top-level graduates to meet the demand.

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Not trying to start a pissing contest


And yet your informational sources are lacking and merely anecdotal....from a person who lists UNIX clones as "unique" OS. (All the systems you "prefer" over UNIX contain UNIX as their spine. :roll: ). Too, they're all proprietary and were designed for their individual companies such as IBM, Bell Labs, IBM again. These OS were NOT robust; very easy to crack open given they were all filled with holes and easy exploits, blah, blah, blah. I expect that's why they're all pretty much dead? They're essentially toys.

"However, Plan 9 has never approached Unix in popularity, and has been primarily a research tool:
[I]t looks like Plan 9 failed simply because it fell short of being a compelling enough improvement on Unix to displace its ancestor. Compared to Plan 9, Unix creaks and clanks and has obvious rust spots, but it gets the job done well enough to hold its position. There is a lesson here for ambitious system architects: the most dangerous enemy of a better solution is an existing codebase that is just good enough." (And that's just for Plan9; want more for the others?) :P

Oh, a guy can obtain stuff like speakfreely ( http://www.speakfreely.org ) which started VoIP but to what end does one want it? Yeah...I'm shooting myself in the foot: I still rely very heavily on speakfreely for VoIP given its encryption add ons. Something for a certain few to take under advisement?

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